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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26859367 - 08/02/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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tregar said:
When the researchers said "Omitting the ethanol (50% acetaldehyde in water mixture) had no effect." WHAT THEY MEAN is that if you take the ethanol out, the reaction STILL WORKS. But you do need ph=4 water solution, and in my experiment, Sherry wine is already at ph=4, and you also need around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution.





Oh wait, I just read that section of the paper. That line is describing the reaction with un-substituted indole, which does not react at the indole nitrogen; it reacts at carbon-3 to form a completely different product (dimeric indole product, shown below, same structure from the paper). True, that reaction does not require ethanol, but it is also irrelevant to LSD because LSD is substituted at carbon-3, so LSD instead reacts at the indole nitrogen through a different process.

For indole derivatives with substituents at carbon-3 (like LSD, tryptophan, tryptamine, DMT, psilocin, etc), the paper uses N-acetyltryptophan and 3-indole acetic acid to show that a different reaction occurs at the indole nitrogen, and they state this reaction only occurs when both acetaldehyde and ethanol are present:

Quote from the paper, page 8439:
"Both of these compounds [N-acetyltryptophan and 3-indole acetic acid] yielded reaction products when treated simultaneously with acetaldehyde and ethanol. No products were detected when either of these reagents was used alone."

Structures of product obtained with un-sub'd indole compared to C3-sub'd indole like LSD:



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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: breeg89]
    #26859725 - 08/02/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Psillyboy and Pandemoon, I love both your posts!

This conversion even works on seed extracts:

69ron (on mint/peppermint added to seed extract):
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Fact: This conversion, when it works, produces an effect that is very different from LSA. Far more like LSD, and stimulating instead of sedating. When it works, the difference is HUGE, not a tiny difference, the experience is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. I know the effects of LSA and LSD very well. He has used them many times. He guarantees that when the reaction works, there is NO NOTICEABLE LSA left at all in the experience. It becomes almost identical to an LSD experience at low doses. Totally different from LSA."




Kash: (on mint/peppermint added to seed extract):
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Just took a 40 seed portion of LSA extract that was mixed for 15 minutes with peppermint oil yesterday and tripped his face off with a friend. Was very clean feeling and relaxed. Rainbows and vibrant fractal energy danced all over the skies and throughout his surroundings and music sounded great. The head-space was very acid like but different. Was a bit intense but he was able to keep it together lol. Whole trip was about 8 hrs long.

I have tried a 20 seed extract without peppermint oil and it seemed uncomfortable and sedating with no visuals, while every time he has added peppermint oil he has gotten visuals."




Myself (500ml cold spring water acidified to Ph=4 with DL tartaric acid extract on 400 black hard fresh morning glory seeds right off vine, grown in 3/4 miracle grow + 1/4 cow manure compost) procedure given in (note 12) added 1 shot sherry and 5 drops peppermint extract to cold water seed extract as well:
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Saw geometric patterns on the surface of everything, with closed eyes, colored vectors spun 360 degrees while traveling from left to right across visual plane. Sounds were not only amplified & music heavenly but audio hallucinations were produced, heavy euphoria component & very strong appreciation for beauty. Remember watching Scarlett Johansson interview on a small television and melting into the seat from her beauty amidst all the breath taking geometrics. Tripped hard as hell in dreams.




The priest at Eleusis added fresh mint (note 22) to their secret entheogenic brew believed to be composed of in theory ground up claviceps paspali infected paspalum distichum grass which grows adjacent to Eleusis in the famous Rharian plain.

Fresh claviceps paspali ergot contains the exact same alkaloid profile as the Aztec morning glory when fresh: sky high levels of LSH (lyseric acid hydroxyethylamide) and penniclavine. Animals became stimulated like with LSD when injected with penniclavine in 1958 [note 8]. Same with LSH, animals became stimulated like with LSD when injected with LSH in 1961 (note 9). As everyone knows, 2 drugs combined is more potent than just one.

Note [8] Ref (1) T. Yui and Y. Takeo, Japan J. Pharmacol. 7, 157 [1958].

Note (9) A. Glasser, Nature 189, 313 (1961)

Note (22) The sources were clear that the kykeon's other ingredient, mint (menthe pulegium) was fresh mint the Preist added to the brew. Mint appears to have played a symbolic role in Eleusinian myth; being Hades' concubine, Mint was "dismembered by the jealous wife Persephone." See Wasson, "The Road to Eleusis", 111.

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I dosed ALD52 like 100+ times throughout the last 4 or 5 years, in doses between 25ug and 350ug.

While ALD52 is very similar to LSD25, I think I can still see a slight difference. To me the visuals are different, especially the tracers. I can clearly see a difference there.

With 200ug+ of ALD52, when I move my hand it shows some very colorfull spirals and fractals in the tracer /smearing.

While with LSD25 it is just a mirroring effect that shows several of my hands. Not nearly as colorfull, just a non colored shadow (or several) of the real hand.

With ALD52 it's much more colorfull and intense, like painting the air with rainbow colors.

100ug or even 150ug don't really show a difference at all to LSD25, but with 300ug and above (my highest dose was 350ug) the differences are even more intense.

With 350ug I can hardly see reality anymore due to all those colorfull reflections of anything I look at.

I think the higher the dose the clearer the differences.

Also, the conversion above doesn't produce ALD52, it produces ALD52 wih an additional hydrogen molecule (if I understood correctly). That's again some different molecule that might show unique effects.
Yes, as I mentioned above 1-acetaldehyde LSD has an extra hydrogen on the NH group adduct at bottom indole of the ergoline as compared to ALD-52.



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2 hours into it, I can say the experiment was a complete success. It is WAY different from LSD. Did not even notice the come up, way more relaxing mentally as well, I prefer this to LSD, it feels like the 1st time I've tripped. Visuals are profoundly powerful. It feels extremely natural, I see why the Priest now added mint to their sacred entheogenic brew at Eleusis for 2,000 years straight, it has a very low "freak out factor", so I can see why hundreds of people could take this at once. 300ug is definitely a great dose, no less than this.

This is the ONLY way I will be taking LSD from now on, deeply impressed, it has more of a cactus/mescaline feel to it, sky high appreciation for beauty, profound visuals, mentally super relaxed. I feel 300ug is only the beginning, going to take this to 400ug next time.

1-acetaldehyde LSD is more stimulating, more like mescaline when it comes to the sky high perception of infinite beauty & euphoria, profound visuals, and relaxing mentally, no thoughts that wander uncontrollably like with LSD.

I was immersed in fine multi colored rainbow reflections that surrounded everything I looked at just like Pandemoon in report saw. It was indeed "like painting the air with rainbows". The beauty was breathtaking. This was different from the "colored specs in the air" I see that flow in front of everything like with acid.

I believe if you combine just 300ug of this with 300 to 400g of fresh cacti (no core) it will make it feel like 500 to 600g of fresh cactus, that's how close I believe the A2A, A2B & A2C receptor binding is between 1-aceteldehyde LSD and mescaline. LSD only binds to A2A in comparison, see chart on page 1 of this thread.




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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26860573 - 08/03/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

OK OK

what part of this is theoretical?


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: redgreenvines] * 2
    #26861624 - 08/03/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

^ I doubt anyone has ever used analytical techniques to confirm the formation of a new product after subjecting LSD, LSA, etc. to this procedure. The existing data that I've seen only confirmed formation of the mixed aminal/acetal derivative for N-acetyltryptophan and indole-3-acetic acid (see this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC49935/ ). There's a good chance it works with ergoloids, but you still need analytical data to confirm.

I'm guessing the only evidence for LSD, LSA, etc is anecdotal trip reports about perceived differences in the effects compared to the original compounds, which pales in comparison to LC-MS data, especially since these ergoloids obviously are psychoactive without undergoing this reaction.

I've tried to clear up the misinformation about this procedure regarding the products that are formed, the differences in reactivity between un-sub'd indole and 3-sub'd indoles, and the possibility that this reaction just yields a pro-drug of the starting indole. These claims are all based on these published papers:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC49935/

https://psychedelicreview.com/study-finds-ald-52-1p-lsd-and-1b-lsd-are-prodrugs-of-lsd/ (summarizing this published research: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0028390819304228 )


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: breeg89]
    #26861903 - 08/04/20 02:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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My friends had some ALD52 blotters few years ago and described it as slightly more visual, and not so stimulating, and as upgraded version of LSD, but with just small difference.

I always explained it in the way that this difference is similar to difference of morphine/acetylmorphine and it is based on different metabolism of molecule.

Btw.
Title of this thread is about acetyl-LSD, but content is mainly about acetaldehyde-LSD. It's confusing.



Thanks for the report Doubledog from your friends, much appreciated. Take this 1-aceteldeyde LSD to the 300ug to 400ug level, it is like mescaline, which shines at the 300mg to 400mg level. Don't worry, there is none of the tenseness or anxiety of LSD, so it is easy to take it higher...but it has plenty of depth mentally. It is extremely visual at the 300ug level in a completely different way from LSD, more like mescaline or DMT in the visuals. This is for people who have plenty of acid to spare, if you do not have much acid to spare, then I recommend sticking with acid. This is just like cactus, it is more expensive to trip with, but well worth it imho, will not take acid any other way from now on. This 1-acetaldehyde LSD imho would combine quite well with 300g to 400g of fresh cactus tea, making it feel more like 600g fresh cactus (no core).

With 300ug conversion: For anyone that does dream this, you may be shocked at how stimulating it is the whole trip, as ALD-52 or 1-acetaldehyde LSD created via this thread has "twice the anti-serotonin power of LSD", and the more anti-serotonin or serotonin blocking (see color receptorome chart on post #1) the more powerful the stimulation, was up till 4:30am in the morning, and had dreamed it at 4pm in afternoon. The girl I was with had to tell me to "stop talking" at one point, as I kept pointing out "how beautiful the scenery was", the stimulation is high, but still mentally relaxing none the less, although a great psychedelic head space, it will take you deep mentally without the anxiety or tenseness of LSD just as Shulgin writes in TIHKAL under ALD-52 section.

It is way more colorful than acid and if you wave your hand in front of you, instead of just seeing multiples of your hand like you would with acid, you will see not only multiple tracers, but inbetween the tracers will be fractals and swirls of color, super fine colored rainbow reflections surrounded almost everything I watched, immensely beautiful. Patterns and textures do indeed shift like crazy with open eyes. It is vastly different from LSD. With closed eyes I saw the most beautiful geometrics, before falling to sleep, saw architecture and gardens like those in Versailles, France with a fast moving groundskeeper zipping about tending to the plants, unbelievable.

Why so different from LSD? I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead (see color chart on page 1 of this thread) which is the high binding dominance or habitat of mescaline & dmt, and psilocin to a lower extent.

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I just don't see it...

as with LAH, that acetyl group looks like it would be cleaved with moderate [H+], the carbonyl is obviously nucleophilic. nevermind enzymatic deacetylation; it likely wouldn't even make it to the liver.



This is Happening in the Liver via an enzymatic reaction, there is no cleavage, there is transformation taking place in the liver similar to what is happening in Note (1).

The proof is in the pudding, when someone else dreams this, and reports back. Smile

The Mayans and Aztecs added the extract from morning glory seed to beer/wine, they did not do this with any other entheogen. Sherry wine contains 10mg acetaldehyde per shot glass. The priest at Eleusis added fresh mint to their secret entheogenic brew for over 2,000 years straight, mint contains 2mg water soluble acetaldehyde per 5 drops concentrated extract.

All these ancient people were not stupid, they were quite clever, there was a reason they did what they did. Fresh morning glory contains LSH and penniclavine in sky high amounts, as does the claviceps paspali which infects the paspalum distichum grass which grows next to Eleusis in the famous Rharian plain, Both contain the exact same alkaloids. If you do this same experiment I did with LSH, it also transforms the molecule.

Note (1) Here's an example: If you soak coca leaf tea bags in wine, and the wine drunk, the cocaine is converted into coca-ethylene in the liver...cocaethyelene is orally potent, it has a "higher like" rating than even cocaine when human tests were done in 1994. This was the basis behind the famous commerical "Vin Mariani wine" back in the 1860's popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison, and scores of other famous people. I don't see any cleavage taking place with this molecule but rather addition/transformation. This "in-vivo" liver transformation of the molecule was not even discovered till 1994.

How can you all call me wrong, when none of you have even tried this? I will report back in 2 weeks with a 400ug experience. This is not a rat taking LSD mixed with a shot of sherry and 5 drops peppermint in the lab, this is a human experiment, let your liver do the work, you will see the light.

Still do this the way the study outlined, by letting all sit in fridge for 3 hours with swirling once per hour like I did. The Sherry is already at ph=4 so no acidic solution necessary.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26864036 - 08/05/20 08:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

DMT Nexus banned me till the year 2294, account deleted.

They also deleted the entire original thread with comments from everyone.

My friend said:
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Don't worry about those guys, a lot of online communities are full of people trying to use their "superior knowledge" to flaunt it over others. As far as I'm, concerned, any and all discussion on psychedelic topics should be encouraged. If someone disagrees, great, they should then respectfully state their reasons for disagreeing and then assert their own views. There is no reason to disrespect others.




Even downwardsfromzero (chemical genius) at the old deleted thread agrees with the results of the study, I even had pics of the "indole before" and "indole after" from the study, but it was all deleted.

Downwardsfromzero (my only supporter) had even reposted the study in a downloadable form, all gone now of course.

You can see all of the diagrams downwardsfromzero made if you go to this older thread, see post #1 and look at the section of chemical diagrams among the 22 pics:

[no sense posting link, all pics, study tables & graphs deleted from all my threads by moderators, no idea why]

All I did was propose a theory and my results, and was suspended for life.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26864585 - 08/05/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'm off to weight room to relieve some stress, been a bodybuilder since age 22. Weight = 220 lbs, 12% body fat. It's the only thing that keeps me sane.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26864680 - 08/05/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

At the nexus, where my thread was removed and I was banned for life, I was very kind and simply proposed my theory based on study and my results, I used the scientific method. Apparently one of the dudes in the thread who claimed to be some kind of big shot big pharma attempted to tear it apart piece by piece, then it just went downhill from there after 3 other Elitist backed up the big pharma dude and told me that what I experienced was "impossible." He trolled me after every post and was extremely rude to me. He claimed everything is a "pro-drug" and impossible for it to have it's own effects. He told me "I must follow his direction." I feel better after lifting weights now and jamming to music in the gym.

I know it has not yet been 2 weeks, but tonight I will be performing an experiment with 400ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD taken 1/2 hour of taking 400g of fresh cactus tea (equivalent of around 400mg mescaline with particular cacti) and will report back around midnight, then I will take a long vacation from the forum until Winter, I will leave it up to you gals and guys to take it from here should you choose to duplicate the study as well.

I have a strong feeling the 400ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD will make this 400g of fresh cactus feel like around 700g of fresh cactus, or around 700mg of mescaline.

I have hundreds of experiences in the past combining 400g of fresh home grown cactus with regular acid in all amounts, so I am very experienced.

4 hits of acid have been dissolved into 1/2 shot of sherry wine (5mg acetaldehyde, natural ph=4 which is what study calls for), along with 5 drops of peppermint extract, swirled mixture once per hour, as it sat in fridge for 3 hours.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26865073 - 08/05/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As expected, 3 hours in, this is way different from my past experiences combining cactus with acid. Some will prefer the "electricity" of acid. But I prefer this, it has no anxiety or tenseness, no wandering thoughts, it's deep mentally, a real gem. It did indeed make it feel like around 700g fresh of the rare cactus. It is more colorful, more natural, the patterns and shifting of textures is magical. There does not seem to be the "extreme tolerance" of normal acid. Extremely beautiful experience, beyond description. I am humbled. In a whole nother world with the music. The rainbow reflections of color surround everything. When I move my hand, I see fractals and patterns inside the tracers.
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I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead (see chart on page 1 of this thread for explanation), which is the dominance or habitat of mescaline & dmt & psilocin (see color chart post #1).


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26865609 - 08/05/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It's good to know that people at the nexus also realized the misinformation and potential pitfalls in this procedure. There might be a common theme here -- people with chemistry knowledge have a problem with your claims.

I have no problem with your hypothesis that this procedure yields a new N-sub'd indole product that potentially binds to adrenal receptors. The problem is that it's just a speculative hypothesis with no analytical data to support it. The notion that subjective anecdotal evidence from someone in an altered state of mind passes for conclusive scientific data is absurd. You're not an LC-MS man.

Can you provide objective evidence for your claim that adrenal receptors modulate perception of "beauty/aesthetic" (please don't cite Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas)? Adrenal receptors are important for many biological processes, but classical psychedelic-like effects are not among them, as far as I know. I agree -- data confirm that DMT, mescaline, psilocin, etc bind adrenal receptors, but where's the evidence that this contributes to the psychedelic state? In fact, data demonstrate that 5-HT2A is the key functional target for classical psychedelics, as 5-HT2A antagonists block the psychedelic effects of classical 5-HT2A-agonizing psychedelics.

Here's some data suggesting that this is a pro-drug (from https://psychedelicreview.com/study-finds-ald-52-1p-lsd-and-1b-lsd-are-prodrugs-of-lsd/ and https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0028390819304228 ):

-the finding that ALD-52, 1P-LSD, and 1B-LSD show 5-10-fold reduced 5-HT2A binding affinity compared to LSD in vitro.

-the finding that giving rats ALD-52 or 1P-LSD produced high concentrations of LSD in the blood.

-the finding that giving rats ALD-52, 1P-LSD, or 1B-LSD initiated the characteristic psychedelic head-twitch response (despite dramatically reduced 5-HT2A binding affinity in vitro).

These results indicate that substitutions at the indole nitrogen of LSD reduce affinity for 5-HT2A, yet the compounds are still psychedelic, and LSD is produced after they're administered in vivo. What conclusion can we draw from that? I'd wager they are metabolized to LSD, which is a psychedelic. Plus, the mixed aminal/acetal compound resulting from your acetaldehyde procedure is prone to hydrolysis (see my chemdraw pics on page 1), suggesting it is metabolized in vivo to yield LSD (either via hydrolysis in the stomach or enzymatically).

People don't need to care about the science surrounding this, but they should be properly informed about what they're subjecting their LSD to if they choose to do this, especially given the possibility that they're just making a pro-drug.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: breeg89]
    #26865694 - 08/06/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thankfully, this discussion is also being continued at bluelight with important comments from Administrator Xorkoth. Of whom I grew up reading his countless amazing posts (over 14,000!)

https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/theoretical-at-home-conversion-of-lsd-to-ald-52-1-acetyl-lsd-in-1-step.890589/


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26865779 - 08/06/20 03:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All you need is 1/2 shot of sherry wine (contains 5mg acetaldehyde at ph=4, what study calls for) and some peppermint extract (Adam's extract). Just drop 4 (100ug hits, old or new) into the 1/2 shot glass full of sherry wine, then add 5 peppermint extract drops. Let sit in fridge for 3 hours with swirling once per hour, then consume. Go to the grocery store and buy some Sherry wine and peppermint extract.

This conversion works very well, it is nothing like LSD, like an UPGRADED VERSION OF LSD, profound visuals, music sounds even more heavenly than with acid...no tenseness or anxiety. Deep mental headspace. It has more of a mescaline feel to it (very strong) that's why it potentiates cactus so well. I will return in the winter.

This is the ONLY WAY I will take acid from now on for the rest of my life, unbelievable, so incredibly beautiful and visual....remember this is how the ancient Aztec and Mayans would take LSH from fresh morning glory, they added fresh off the vine mg seed water extract to wine, the ancient Greek priest would add ground up claviceps paspali (same exact alkaloid profile as morning glory when fresh, sky high levels of LSH & penniclavine) from paspalum distichum grass to brew with mint in it, which also contains 2mg acetaldehyde per 5 drops concentrated extract. Before falling to sleep I had colored visions of architecture and gardens, pristine as if just newly created, mind-blowing.

Myself earlier:
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As expected, 3 hours in, this is way different from my past experiences combining cactus with acid. Some will prefer the "electricity" of acid. But I prefer this, it has no anxiety or tenseness, no wandering thoughts, it's deep mentally, a real gem. It did indeed make it feel like around 700g fresh of the rare cactus. It is more colorful, more natural, the patterns and shifting of textures is magical. There does not seem to be the "extreme tolerance" of normal acid. Extremely beautiful experience, beyond description. I am humbled. In a whole nother world with the music. The rainbow reflections of color surround everything. When I move my hand, I see fractals and patterns inside the tracers.

I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead (see chart on page 1 of this thread for explanation), which is the dominance or habitat of mescaline & dmt & psilocin (see color chart post #1).




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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26865859 - 08/06/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

shouldn't this thread really be in ODD?


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    #26867433 - 08/06/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: breeg89]
    #26867626 - 08/07/20 04:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

One last thing before I leave for a few months, as mentioned earlier, I grow my own cactus under shadecloth, and I have taken 400g of fresh cactus with acid (in all different dosages) hundreds of times in the past for over 15 years. I grow ALOT of cactus.

400g of the particular kind of cactus I grow is equivalent to around 400mg of mescaline.

When you convert your LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD, you will want to use at least 300ug, preferably 400ug of acid (or around 4 x 100ug hits). This stuff shines at 300 to 400ug, no less than this, just as mescaline shines at 300mg to 400mg.

When I tripped 2 days ago on 400g of fresh cactus + 400ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD, I also did not mention that I watched the movie "To the stars" with Kara Hayward & Jordana Sprio, two very beautiful women....when I watched the new movie off Hulu, I had never seen such infinite beauty in my life, this was the most powerful trip of my life, and I've tripped hundreds of times. The beauty seen on screen was overwhelming, the colors & shifting of patterns & textures were insane, I was in 7th Heaven. There were super-fine colored rainbow reflections that surrounded everything I watched.

On acid, I will see "colored specs" that flow in front of everything, the rainbow reflections with 1-acetaldehyde LSD are much prettier....but this is way different from acid, very powerful color enhancement just like with cactus....this is why the 1-acetaldehyde potentiates cactus so well. The beauty was "thru the roof" when I watched the women on screen. The mental space was not wandering thoughts or tense or anxiety ridden like with acid....it was mentally deep without any of the side effects of acid, just like the table at Sandoz labs, where Albert Hofmann discovered ALD-52 as well describes.

It is not a sacrilege to convert LSD to this, as Albert Hofmann discovered ALD-52 as well. But this 1-acetaldehyde LSD has one more hydrogen on the adduct than ALD-52. The Mayans and Aztecs as mentioned above also converted LSH from fresh morning glory to this, as they would add the water extract from the seeds to a wine as well (see my notes on page 1). The priest at Eleusis would add the ground up claviceps paspali (which infected the pasplaum distichum grass growing adjacent to Eleusis in the famous Rarian plain) to a brew containing fresh mint. Mint contains water soluble acetaldehyde as well at 2mg per 5 drops concentrated extract. Claviceps paspali contains the exact same alkaloid profile as fresh morning glory (sky high levels of LSH and penniclavine).

What I'm trying to say is don't be afraid to take this to 400ug, this stuff is out of this world incredible at 400ug, this is the dosage I will always use, no less. It also does not have "the extreme tolerance of normal acid"

I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead which is the dominance or habitat of mescaline & dmt & psilocin (see color chart post #1).

You will find that 400ug of 1-acetaldehyde LSD is more similar to the natural mescaline/dmt visuals and extreme color enhancement, euphoria, and over the top beauty enhancement. I can't stop thinking about the trip the other night, mesmerizing.

This is how I prepared the 1-acetaldehyde LSD: Simply fill a shot glass 1/2 full with fridge cold sherry wine (contains 5mg acetaldehyde at ph=4 which is what 1992 adducts study calls for), then drop 4 hits of 100ug acid into the glass, then stick in fridge with a foil cover over top, then 1 hour later add 5 drops of peppermint extract, then swirl the shotglass x once per hour, let it sit in fridge for 3 hours total, as the study found new product creation at 1.5 hour, but you want to leave it in fridge for 3 hours total with swirling once per hour since we are not using a stir mantel in the fridge like the study. I have performed this experiment twice already, with outstanding results, it was WAY different from LSD, like an upgraded version of LSD.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar]
    #26868968 - 08/07/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Just to make sure we are on the same page here. We are talking about peppermint extract (for making cookies) not peppermint oil, Correct?


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    #26869471 - 08/08/20 04:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yes psillyboy, it's the Adam's peppermint extract.

I won't really be leaving for several months, I will just be more silent and mostly just read posts instead and respond with a sentence or two, won't be posting much.

I feel I've achieved what I wanted to with the morning glory LSH thread and discovery of 1-acetaldehyde LSD, this all started with a post by another member who has disappeared since! Crazy how one person can start an avalanche of ideas.


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    #26870384 - 08/08/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

In conclusion, my personal observations, as I have taken acid hundreds of times in the past not only by itself, but in combination with 400g of fresh boiled cactus tea (I grow my own cactus under shade cloth) over 200 times in over 15 years, I keep a trip diary.

I also grow around 30 ipomoea tricolor heavenly blue morning glory plants, 15 to each 17" wide x 15" tall planter with 7 foot tall round welded wire fence (from garden store) in each, equivalent growing area of a 7 foot tall x 4 foot wide fence, grown in 3/4 miracle grow + 1/4 cow manure compost, produces extremely potent LSH & penniclavine containing seeds, that I pick when seeds are dark and hard and immediately vacuum pack and store in freezer to keep their high potency indefinitely. Each planter produces 3,000 seeds (5 seeds per pod), 6000 seeds total divided by 400 seeds per trip = 15 high potency trips. Even just small amounts of these seeds also potentiate normal LSD in combination, producing outstanding visions and transcendence beyond just normal LSD.

This same conversion I describe in this thread also works with the LSH & penniclavine in the seeds, converting them to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & penniclavine. As I described earlier with supporting references, the ancient Aztec and Mayans and Priest at Eleusis for 2,000 years straight used this same conversion on LSH from the seeds, and LSH from the ground up claviceps paspali (ancient Greece) growing on the paspalum distichum grass adjacent to Eleusis to serve to hundreds of people at once, it has a low "freak out factor" (like with mescaline), so I can see why hundreds could take this at once.

1) You know how acid has that sudden drop off then you are back to sobriety? Instead, this lasts longer than acid and has a warm gentle transition back over a longer period.

2) 1-acetaldehyde LSD is way more colorful than acid, similar to mescaline.

3) 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not have the "visual choppiness" of acid, but is flowing in the visuals.

4) LSD produces tracers with multiples of shadows of the hand, this produces not only tracers, but colored fractals and mosaics inside the tracers.

5) LSD produces "colored specs that flow in front of everything", this produces instead "fine colored rainbow reflections" that surround everything.

6) Music sounds good on acid, but music sounds great on this, like a whole nother world, similar to mescaline.

7) With 1-acetaldehyde LSD, everything was indeed alive and magical. Patterns were forming everywhere, the shifting of textures is magical. I could lose myself so easily as the visuals seemed to drag my focus in without any effort. As a result, ego death was basically spontaneous. Taking this 2 times already, made it feel like the first time I've ever tripped. My 2nd trip with 400ug 1-acetaldehyde LSD in combination with 400g fresh cactus tea was the most infinitely beautiful & powerful trip I have ever experienced in my life.

8] Sometimes LSD causes my mind to wander uncontrollably unless I take my own drive to focus, but with 1-acetaldehyde LSD there is no wandering thoughts, no tenseness or anxiety like with acid, this is deep mentally, a real gem, pure psychedelic bliss.

9) 400ug of 1-aceteldehyde LSD makes 400g of fresh boiled cactus pieces (no core, approximately 400mg mescaline) feel instead like 700mg of mescaline. I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "away from 5-ht2a" and towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead which is the dominance or habitat of mescaline & dmt & psilocin (see color chart post #1).

10) You can take this more often as it does not have the "extreme tolerance" of normal LSD which mainly works thru the 5-ht2a receptor (see color chart post #1), just like with cactus which you can take more often.

11) It is not a sacrilege to convert LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD cause Albert Hofmann also discovered ALD-52 at Sandoz labs. This is different from ALD-52 cause it has one extra hydrogen on the acetaldehyde adduct at the bottom indole NH group nitrogen. The table from Sandoz suggested that ALD-52 might actually have advantages over LSD, reducing any side effects but achieving a stronger trip. Measurements of brain waves while people were taking the two drugs showed that while LSD produced brain waves associated with intense concentration and anxiety, ALD-52 produced brain waves showing a more relaxed mental state. It also has "twice the anti-serotonin or serotonin blocking power" of normal LSD.

12) Before falling to sleep, I saw closed eye colored visions of architecture and gardens like those in Versailles, France.

13) LSD is more "analytical" and not as aesthetic, this feels more natural and is extremely aesthetic (beauty enhancing) like with mescaline.
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Final note:

Don't forget that menthol in peppermint extract also causes cytochrome P450 enzyme inhibition in the liver, which is involved in the metabolism of exogenous chemicals. This may have a potential effect in preventing the breakdown of 1-acetaldehyde LSD. Peppermint extract also contains 2mg water soluble acetaldehyde per 5 drops, sherry wine contains 5mg acetaldehyde per 15ml or 1/2 shot glass.

So if you choose to duplicate the experiment based on the 1992 adducts study as I did, it would be wise to keep the peppermint extract with the 1/2 shot of sherry wine. I always add the 5 drops Adam's peppermint extract to the cold sherry wine shot glass containing the 4 LSD blotters about 1 hour later, with 3 hours total soak time, with swirling once per hour. Keep shot glass in fridge, as acetaldehyde boils off at room temp.

I know that from now on this is the only way I will take 400ug of LSD, as the "upgraded 1-acetaldehyde LSD cousin."
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I did not discover this conversion, it was given to me by an ancient spiritually prominent Shaman in a vision, true story, see here:

Discovered 1992 adducts study the same week after receiving a 20 minute visit or "schooling" from an ancient powerful and spiritually prominent Aztec Shaman who appeared out of the shadows on a wall cast by a Christmas tree, this after girl and I both took 10 hits each of 15 year old decomposed acid given to me by a dear friend, true story. The acid had a sick feeling for the 1st two hours, but then it worked and skyrocketed us to higher divine plane.

The Shaman sat on a throne made of spirit animals (birds, otters, Jaguars, macaws, toucans) that morphed into other spiritual animals continuously. The Shaman stared intently into my eyes as if downloading information to me. What's even more amazing, is that the girl who was with me also saw the EXACT same vision on the wall.

The Shaman wore a huge beautiful headdress made of feathers, to the left and right of him stood female centaurs, half naked female above, half animal below. He showed me the rise and fall of several civilizations throughout time. I saw the great pyramid of the Aztec empire in the distance. The animated vision was beyond 4k, and highly detailed.

Behind the female centaurs were snakevines growing out of the ground. Before the Shaman left, he motioned to me with his eyes to look out the window in the living room to the patio, where I had an empty garden plot, he was trying to tell me to plant entheogenic plants. His point in showing me the rise and fall of the different civilizations was I believe he was trying to tell me "that if humanity is survive, the only hope is a Spiritual solution."

Don't forget that to the Aztecs, the morning glory plant was more important to them then their other 2 classical plants, peyote and mushrooms. Two sources given for this comment below.

Note (2) Page 515 "Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants" Christian Ratsch: "The fresh or dried morning glory seeds normally are added to alcoholic drinks (sugarcane liquor; c. alcohol), tepache (maize beer, chicha), and balche' (Schultes 1941, 37)."

Note (4) Psychotomimetics of the Convolvulaceae pg 93: "This particular plant seems to have been more important to the Aztecs in divinity then Peyotl or Teonanacatl, two of their other classical sacred plants."

Note (5) Jonathan Ott "Pharmacotheon": "Ololiuhqui was far more prominent as an entheogen here in Mesoamerica than those mushrooms; the mushrooms are mentioned only here and there by a few competent chroniclers; yet almost an entire book was devoted to denouncing mainly the ololiuhqui idolatry. The annals of the Inquisition contain many times more autos de fe for ololiuhqui than for mushrooms."

Note (22) The sources were clear that the kykeon's other ingredient, mint (menthe pulegium) was fresh mint. Mint appears to have played a symbolic role in Eleusinian myth; being Hades' concubine, Mint was "dismembered by the jealous wife Persephone." See Wasson, "The Road to Eleusis", 111.

In Ipomoea Tricolor vine: from Tryptophan-->chanoclavine-->agroclavine-->elymoclavine-->lysergic acid-->ergometrine-->LSH, which then decomposes over time into LSA.

2016 Polish morning glory study found 3x higher amounts of LSH in MG seeds direct from grower/producer vs retail:
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fresh black seeds from vine: likely 5.00 LSH to 5.00 penniclavine ratio
seeds direct from growers: 1.71 LSH to 5.08 penniclavine ratio
seeds off retail racks: 0.54 LSH to 4.75 penniclavine ratio
Vacuum pack & freeze freshly picked seeds to preserve potency indefinitely.



LSH (lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide) decomposes in neutral water solutions, and quickly in alkaline solutions, and also if heated, but it is quite stable in acidic environments (just like the solution recipe I give). Traditionally (e.g. as reported from Wasson) they only soaked the mushed seeds briefly in water, then strained and immediately drank. Even Hermes and Nogal (both extracted 400 to 500 seeds into cold acidic water using a squirt of lemon juice) both reported EXTREMELY VISUAL MG trip reports:

(1) Hermes (the Lycaeum):
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Cold water extract with squirt of lemon juice: Saw strong 4D lattice-like open eye visuals and warping and melting of furniture with only 400 seeds. There are around 32 to 36 seeds to a gram. I see amazing three and seemingly four-dimensional shapes morphing and bifurcating. Often I get religious and esoteric themed visuals, like fractal cherub wings and winged eyes like those in some of Alex Grey's work. Eyes are all over everything. I see pyramids and sphinxes and Gigeresque biomechanical forms. I see amazing geometric lattice structures. I watch mathematical space-filling algorithms doing their thing, all of this with nothing more than 500 seeds.



(2) Nogal (the Nook):
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Yes I know of someone who tried the CWE method with the Heavenly Blue variety, except with the substitution of a coffee grinder in place of a stone metate (I think that's what is called but I could be wrong), and a squirt of lemon in the water, with around 400-500 seeds. Closed and open eyed visuals were extremely breath taking. Some of the most prominent visions were of Aztec/Mayan glyphic patterns, a menacing and demonic technicolor nymph made of light who tried to seduce the viewer, and this bizare trail of energy spheres which each contained a different stylized animal form (again definately of Aztec/Mayan origin).



(3) Erowid report:
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400 older dried seeds is similar to a little less than one hit LSD. 400 fresh off vine is like about 2 or three hits.



Myself: 500ml cold spring water acidified to Ph=4 with DL tartaric acid extract on 400 fresh off the vine dark hard heavenly blue morning glory seeds that I grew in 3/4 miracle grow + 1/4 cow manure compost, fed 1 tablespoon miracle grow crystals dissolved into 1 gallon watering can w/spout once per month only, 22 years ago, added 1 shot of sherry & 5 drops peppermint extract, let sit in fridge 3 hours with swirling once per hour:
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Saw geometric patterns on the surface of everything, with closed eyes, colored vectors spun 360 degrees while traveling from left to right across visual plane. Sounds were not only amplified & music heavenly but audio hallucinations were produced, heavy euphoria component & very strong appreciation for beauty. Remember watching Scarlett Johansson interview on a small television and melting into the seat from her beauty amidst all the breath taking geometrics. Tripped hard as hell in dreams.



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I am not a shaman, but I have been thru alot of the stuff Shaman's have gone thru, I have lost both my twin girls at birth, so I have no children, my beloved pet Shitzu died at only age 4 from continuous bladder stones for 6 months, he was unable to pee so many times, we had to rush him to vet, where he was put down. He visited both of us in a dream 2 days later to tell us he was alright in Heaven with a big smile on his face.

I have nearly died several times, once I was hit head on by a truck when driver ran a yield sign, I barely survived with numerous injuries.

I once took alot of acacia bark with Ayahuasca instead of the normal hawaiian psychotria I use, and went into a serious serotonin syndrome shock, for 1.5 hours I sweated my ass off sitting in the bathtub, I told my wife goodbye while my dog watched in a sad state..by some miracle I pulled out of it, I believe it was the high levels of maoi's in the acacia that interacted with the rima's in the Ayahuasca, bad combination. My forehead was pouring sweat for 1.5 hours, I was in severe shock and trembling, and knew I was gonna die.

Lost everything in a 100 year severe flood, my home and all my belongings, I had just gotten married and all the newlywed gifts perished...right after that I moved to an apartment complex, and 5 months later all my belongings again burnt to the ground after a dude had threw a lit blunt into the apartment complex after his girlfriend dumped him.

Had it not been for the policeman banging on the door of the apartment, we would have surely burned in the flames, as we were on the 3rd floor & asleep as I worked 2nd shift at the time. We ran down the steps in only our bare feet and suffered smoke inhalation.

Have been thru some %!%%, similar to a Shaman, who lives on the outskirts of society. Lifting weights, walking in nature with my dog, going to the waterpark with a season pass every summer, and reading the bible is all that keeps me sane some days.
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1) Sherry wine for conversion of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde in only 3 hours, and materials list for conversion of LSH and penniclavine in morning glory seeds to 1-acetaldehyde LSH & penniclavine should you choose to duplicate the 1992 Adducts study given on page 1.

Funnel with cotton balls used to filter morning glory cold water acidified extract should you choose to work with seeds, see here Note (12) on page 2:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26838327

2) easy morning glory planter, each 17" wide x 15" beautiful Belize Chata Marsal Clay planter is home to 15 plants, there are 20 vertical rods in each 7 foot round fence for snakevines to climb.

3) Paspalum distichum infected with ergot (likely entheogen used at Eleusis) contains sky high levels of LSH & penniclavine when fresh just like morning glory seeds when fresh off vine.

4) Pic of researcher's new indole product creation BEFORE & AFTER. Acetaldehyde adducts onto bottom of NH group nitrogen of indole, using only water acidified to ph=4 (sherry wine is already at ph=4) and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution. Sherry wine contains the acetaldehyde we need, just like the study.

With LSD, acetaldehyde will also adduct onto the bottom indole NH group nitrogen of the LSD ergoline forming 1-acetaldehyde LSD, containing one more hydrogen at adduct than ALD-52.












Instructions:

Note (1): Make sure your sherry wine is cold before you use it, it contains 5 mg acetaldehyde per 15ml or 1/2 shot glass. Acetaldehyde boils off at 68 degrees F, or slightly below room temp, so keep 1/2 shot glass of it in fridge at all times until you consume.

Note (2): Menthol is largest ingredient in peppermint extract and causes cytochrome P450 enzyme inhibition in the liver, which is involved in the metabolism of exogenous chemicals. This may have a potential effect in preventing the breakdown of 1-acetaldehyde LSD. Peppermint extract also contains 2mg water soluble acetaldehyde per 5 drops

1) Fill a shot glass up 1/2 way with dry sherry wine.

2) Drop 3 to 4 hits of 100ug acid into shot glass.

3) Put a foil cover on shot glass and let sit in fridge.

4) 1 hour later add 5 drops of Adam's peppermint extract.

5) Swirl the shot glass once per hour, the researchers used a stir mantel in the fridge, and achieved 100% new product creation in 1.5 hour, but since we are not using a stir mantle, swirl once per hour.

6) After 3 hours sitting in fridge, consume, sit back & enjoy the brand new experience of 1-acetaldhyde LSD, or what is similar to ALD-52 with one extra hydrogen.

THIS THREAD IS BEING CONTINUED HERE, IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO ODD SECTION:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26872226


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: tregar] * 1
    #26870727 - 08/08/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Even though we sometimes don't see eye to eye Tregar, i do applaud your convictions, observations, experimentation and postings. Don't let the Nexus get ya down, there's some good there but they're far from great ime, just do your thing, experiment around, make some observations, speculate/hypothesize as to what's going on, and share with like-minded folks wherever possible. I've been paying attention to your notes and i will continue keeping them in mind for my own future experimentation/exploration.


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Re: Theoretical at-home conversion of LSD to ALD-52 (1-acetyl LSD) in 1 step [Re: Sabnock]
    #26874178 - 08/10/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The problem is the mis-representation of parts of the literature that are cited. At least get the structure right for the hypothetical product -- it's not ALD-52 with an extra hydrogen -- it's a mixed aminal/acetal, the structure of which is shown in the very paper that's cited ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC49935/ ). I'll re-post these structures to clarify:



Not just an extra hydrogen. It's an extra hydrogen plus an ethyl group on the oxygen. Again, structure is drawn in the cited paper. This is not my speculation -- this is confirmed by LC-MS and 1H NMR for simple 3-sub'd indoles (but NOT LSD or more complex ergoloids).


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