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I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421]
#26856390 - 07/31/20 10:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trump has no authority to delay the election. Stop making shit up.
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The only thing being made up is you saying that I said Trump has the authority to delay the election.
One of these days you should try to debate against my actual position rather than one you make up. I know It's WAY easy to win these imaginary debates you're in, but they're not very insightful or growth-inducing. Just sayin'.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421]
#26856400 - 07/31/20 10:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening.
Why would somebody with no authority make the proposition?
I want to give out ice cream instead of money at the next round of COVID stimulus. I don't have any authority to do so, but I'm sure you are taking me seriously.
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Yes, I trust the party that closed 175/180 voting booths in Milwaukee and most recently put 0$ with a straight face for election funding and security in a budget to help make sure there are adequate outdoor voting booths.
The fact that they cry about "fraud" while literally giving no money to election security is just melted ice cream on the shit sandwich that is the GOP.
But, knowing Trump voters, they'd gobble down that sandwich just in case someone like me catches a whiff of their breath.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421]
#26856423 - 07/31/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
You’re right the rat is trump and somehow the rat have sheep still out there watching bombs going off claiming gunpowder is a hoax. Don’t pretend in person voting during an explosion of deaths during a pandemic wouldn’t scare people out of voting or would not lead to cases being spread to no reason. You don’t delay an election you’d win. He knows he’s losing in many senses of the word now and a lot of people are seeing this response for what it is, politically driven “sacrifice” killing of American people and businesses.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Kryptos]
#26856425 - 07/31/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Republicans are guilty of plenty of voting fraud.
My research causes me to assert that requiring mail-in voting will not only increase the chances of fraud, but create an inevitable civil war. Neither side is going to agree with the election results, whatever they are. They'll argue ballots were lost, or some made fraudulently. Recounts are going to be demanded multiple times. It's going to be so fucking ugly. The time-delay that mailing in ballots takes will create a situation that will allow for all kinds of reasons and excuses to not accept the results of the election, whatever they may be.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26856427 - 07/31/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-s-voting-absentee-in-the-2020-election-after-months-of-baseless-attacks-on-mail-in-voting/ar-BB17qAk7?ocid=msedgntp
As Trump said years ago, he would have to run as a Republican, because they were only ones stupid enough to vote for him.
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I think that quote is actually a myth, but somebody will have to fact check that.
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I mean, Trump wasn't incorrect regarding which side of the political spectrum to platform on to win the election. There are dumb people on both sides. He just picked the side easier to appeal to that would get him to the White House. His M.O. was basically, "What do I have to say and who do I have to appeal to to win the election?"
Gotta give the guy credit... he figured it out and won that game. Including which year to pick to run to go against a person he could actually beat.
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Vahn421 said: I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-s-voting-absentee-in-the-2020-election-after-months-of-baseless-attacks-on-mail-in-voting/ar-BB17qAk7?ocid=msedgntp
As Trump said years ago, he would have to run as a Republican, because they were only ones stupid enough to vote for him.
Trump shoulda stuck to his guns. He backpedaled for the sake of approval, trying to find middle ground.
I'll add a concession here. (Yes, I see the irony.) If people are actually paranoid about going into public, fine... let them find another way to vote. But there's no reason to not let people go into public to vote, either. We can make the proper concessions for it, and we should be doing it.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421]
#26856453 - 07/31/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nobody is proposing mandated mail in voting.
Im in co and we have mail in voting, have for yrs, and there are still polling stations.
Even in states that are floating universal mail in voting are setting provisions for 1 voting center per 10,000 registered voters. Sounds like you are falling victim to fake news.
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#26856478 - 07/31/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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Brian Jones said:
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Vahn421 said: I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-says-he-s-voting-absentee-in-the-2020-election-after-months-of-baseless-attacks-on-mail-in-voting/ar-BB17qAk7?ocid=msedgntp
As Trump said years ago, he would have to run as a Republican, because they were only ones stupid enough to vote for him.
Trump shoulda stuck to his guns. He backpedaled for the sake of approval, trying to find middle ground.
I'll add a concession here. (Yes, I see the irony.) If people are actually paranoid about going into public, fine... let them find another way to vote. But there's no reason to not let people go into public to vote, either. We can make the proper concessions for it, and we should be doing it.
Nobody is saying people cant vote in person
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421]
#26856490 - 08/01/20 12:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
There were plenty of people who didn’t protest because of the risk. I wouldn’t have been happy if my mother went protesting and I do ALL her shopping so she doesn’t have to go into stores. But you want her to stand in a line and risk her health to vote, because at 84 if she gets covid she’s probably done for.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: koods]
#26856498 - 08/01/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I’m curious how many heads will explode when states mandate wearing a mask to vote in person.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: koods]
#26856526 - 08/01/20 12:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I don't think Trump would be proposing to delay the election if the push for mail-in voting wasn't happening. I see it as a counter-move, not one he'd initiate on his own.
My point about mail in voting is the party that is rejecting other alternatives was allllllll for outside protesting when it benefited them as a political party. I'm rather disgusted watching them make the, "but covid!!" excuse for voting. It's not hard to smell a rat, here.
There were plenty of people who didn’t protest because of the risk. I wouldn’t have been happy if my mother went protesting and I do ALL her shopping so she doesn’t have to go into stores. But you want her to stand in a line and risk her health to vote, because at 84 if she gets covid she’s probably done for.
I think we found middle ground earlier already. I don't want compulsory in person voting for those who fear they are at risk, but I also don't want the nation all voting by mail. It's already going to be a mess of a problem. We shouldn't make it worse. My biggest irk is how much the covid argument is being used to discourage ALL of it.
Standing in line to vote isn't any more risky than standing in line to shop. It's just one more "trip to the store" except it's more important than that.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: Vahn421]
#26856597 - 08/01/20 03:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nobody ever proposed only voting by mail. I don’t know where you got that from.
Yeah well there are plenty of people who don’t go shopping. I do my moms shopping and I know there are people who are doing the same. Your perception of risk is based on you being a teenager. Would you stand in line to vote if you were 80? People who live in assisted living facilities aren’t even allowed to leave the property or they can’t return.
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christopera said: I think that quote is actually a myth, but somebody will have to fact check that.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1998-trump-people-quote/
My memory wasn't perfect. I mixed up stupidest with dumbest.
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Re: Reopen theory [Re: koods]
#26856705 - 08/01/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: Nobody ever proposed only voting by mail. I don’t know where you got that from.
Yeah well there are plenty of people who don’t go shopping. I do my moms shopping and I know there are people who are doing the same. Your perception of risk is based on you being a teenager. Would you stand in line to vote if you were 80? People who live in assisted living facilities aren’t even allowed to leave the property or they can’t return.
I'm guessing 14.
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christopera said: I think that quote is actually a myth, but somebody will have to fact check that.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1998-trump-people-quote/
My memory wasn't perfect. I mixed up stupidest with dumbest.
Snopes say that the quote never happened. It's right there in your link.
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