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smalltalk: unmodified lids, umodified tubs
    #26854464 - 07/30/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hello

Hi, I grow cubes. Been working on learning shrooms since last summer.
Still a beginner. That is me. This is my grow, and this is what I have learned from growing.

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My almost finished jars



This is the shelf where I keep the most colonized jars.
I have some other shelves with less grown jars.
I am a very autistic person when it comes to sorting them.
Every day I want to check every jar, and reorder them.
Its very hard. This is the shelf with most grown jars.
I have around 100 jars, of varying size.

No FAE jars

As you may see I mostly make no GE jars, and it works fine for me.
GE just adds a contamination vector, right?
Can't get me if there is no hole. :thumbup:
So all my badshit comes from the grain or the SAB event.:sun:

From BRF to grain

I realized after my first BRF SGFC grow, and reading on
shroomery, that I had to learn grains instead of BRF, and
spawn grains to coir "bulk" to get "canopy".:blush:
I read about monos and shoeboxes.:evil:

Focused on popcorn

I read about grains. Rye, oats, millet, wbs.:blush:
I have focused on popcorn for subjectively
easy surface conditions. But I will expand
to be using real grains.

Other grain Experiments

25%oats25%rye25%barley25%wheats-coir



Quinoa-verm



Shia seed-verm



I decided I had to do G2G and LCs for the best transfers and the best amount of dispersion. Not transfer from agar to single jars.
I landed on multiple kernel grain transfer.
Basically your G2G. Either to agar, or to LC, or to another jar.

Jar LC:



Spores to agar, agar to grain, grain to grain, or grain to LC

Multiple kernel grain transfers are much faster than agar,
but maybe slower than using lots of LC

As long as your original grain source is clean, its all good.





So I grow out a good jar and transfer from it to other jars,
or put a kernel from a clean jar into a agar jar,
to test for a LC jar.

With a scalpel in a SAB, wearing mask and gloves.
I have 4 Pressure cookers of different types.

Works like 3/4 of the time.
I blame poor SAB work or having cut the PC cycle.
Because of RL issues.
That's fine with me.



I like to make the jars.
Its fun to remake them too.



Some jars contaminate




I never open the bad jars inside,
they are opened outside and disposed of there.

I try to make a outdoor bed from spawn
with weak contaminations.
I might have to use true cleanspawn for it.
Because I already respawned it once.
Anyways, that frees up the jars.





So, Im doing mostly corn to coir.

I boil corn for 2 hours, as long as you want/need
clean them with a towel,
and load corn into jars.
PC corn for 130 mins.
Contam rate is okay, maybe 1/6, improving slowly
Moisture content can be tricky
Seen a nice variation of molds from corn

Corn jars

Total fail moisture content:


Better corn jar:



From single wedge agar (slow!!!):



I like the hard surface and the soft inside of the corn.
But I dont think it makes it any contam resistant,
just easier to control surface moisture
which I dont want a lot of.
I want it inside the corn
from having boiled them so much.



Since im lazy I do the agar work too with jars.



Now for my Spawning.
I use little spawn, and lots of coir.
Maybe 1:4 ratio of spawn/coir.
Some lime. Some vermiculite.
Experiment with dryer and wetter coir.
Prefer it a bit on the dry side.
I case with a thin layer of verm.

No canopy so far.
I think the secret may be using lots of spawn to get canopies..
Less coir, more grain spawn.
Maybe popcorn sucks balls compared to other grains?

Here's what I got going on>

Box 1:
Popcorn to coir


Box 2
Popcorn to coir



Box 3
Fully colonized,but only 1 sidepin so far

There's a single sidepin down there


Result from the first popcorn to coir tub so far:

Early flushing, not fully colonized, hidden trich ?





It got visible trich after 2nd flush.
Fruiting 3 flush outside in 15 celcius.
Probably dead soon.

Going to beef up my spawn use, and see if I can get
canopies or better results

Thank you

Apparently RR says that corn sucks:
Quote:



Roger Rabbit:
Corn does not harbor green mold. Molds are killed off by temperatures well below boiling. It has a high bacterial endospore count, but that's not the only reason it's inferior to other grains. The main reason is that the large kernel size means you have far less mycelium per jar than you'd have with traditional grains such as rye or wbs. It takes at least four jars of popcorn to have the same amount of mycelium as one similar sized jar of rye or wbs. That's why it's rarely used anymore. I recently tossed out a huge bag of it, because I don't like getting popped corn stuck in my teeth, and it sucks as a spawn medium, unless you have no other options. Good luck.
RR "




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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26854473 - 07/30/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)


This one was given outside time on the porch in the rain,
and also dub tubbed becuz of fruit lentgh, which seemed to make the fruits go crazy. The long one 37 gram wet

New ones 14.08.2020




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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26911740 - 09/01/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Getting better at reading surface conditions.
My main problem is that subs are drying out before the first flush completes, especially if I give reasonable FAE. Lid on, the pinset suffers.

Heres the most recent 1st flushes of corn to coir:



Basically fighting the good fight with bottom watering and misting, keeping an eye on them, day and night. I cant even imagine doing it this way with three digit tubs. I need to perfect my moisture evaporation

AND I WANT THAT CANOPY


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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26911746 - 09/01/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

pro lifers should be against shrooms because misting causes abortion!!


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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26911778 - 09/01/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Noticed you said your jars have no GE. Very interesting, but I'm pretty sure those jars aren't air tight, or sealed completely, because if they were, then the mycilium would suffocate.


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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: checkmatsis]
    #26914238 - 09/02/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

it saves a step and a possible contam vector

but im convinced religiously that it affects growth in two ways:

1) skews growth toward tomentose "air seeking growth"
2) jars stall and i have to unfasten them if the colonization takes too long

but with clean spawn and fast colonizers, using unmodified lids seem to be working fine

i dont like holes either

i like jars

but i like canopies more, so if holes were somehow relevant to canopies..



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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: smalltalk_canceled]
    #26926976 - 09/09/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

WARNING: not a canopy!:shocked:

Decided to spawn a colonized sub to a bigger wet perlite flooredtub.
Like moving a 20 quartz into a 66 quartz with some perlite in the bottom.
basically.

Didnt think much of it for the longest of times,
before it suddendly exploded.
It even made some old matted subs pin too,
I think they can sense each other
and sense each other pinning.
Some kind of group or concerted effort
at the end there, for the oldies.

Pulled my first "one sub ounce" from this cake today:





Im just a noob, but I lit up a big fat combined hash weed joint of the most premium quality, and spent a full 10-15 minutes harvesting this one handed.

Tomorrow morning at 10 am im going to a local mushroom farm
to volunteer in harvesting oysters

dey dont know i grow drugs, i told em i know how to grow oysters when i was really talking about my cubes

hope I can seem decent enough to be allowed to do further volunteer work then I can steal their spores and START MY OWN FARM

MUSHROOMS FOREVER


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    #26926998 - 09/09/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The jars in that top pic look pretty bacterial. That ice cream, thick white mycelium look is a sure sign of bacteria which would account for your trich issues.
Those mushrooms have cracked caps and dark margins, they look  over saturated. Have you considered changing to a smaller grain?


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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26928799 - 09/10/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

yeah, im moving over to coriander seeds to show lardboys whats up


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    #26928800 - 09/10/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's the spirit.


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Re: smalltalk jars only, no holes [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
    #26928811 - 09/10/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

thank you, stay real


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