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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
    #26853259 - 07/30/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not interested in a (subjective, even) "Two wrongs make a right" argument.

furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.



No one is saying it's right. I'm just saying there is a greater evil at play than the small riots. Why focus on that?




But I am. (Ironically, the rioters are not. They keep going after innocent people rather than actual targets, if that's their goal.) This is the systemic destruction of America. People in high positions of power are using the BLM movement as a front to divide the country asunder and rip us in two or more pieces. There's a reason scumbag Soros keeps dumping money into it, and it's not because he's a charitable or altruistic person.

One thing that's usually true with with far leftist and anarchist rioters like Antifa is they hate America *almost* as much as they hate themselves. Manipulating the emotions of this group is not hard... especially once they're all in a mob. (I'm not dogging on all anarchists, though I'm happy to dog on most all far leftists.)

Getting America's own citizens to attack each other in their self-loathing is honestly genius, even if it's evil.

P.S. I would argue they are not, "small riots."


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26853264 - 07/30/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not interested in a (subjective, even) "Two wrongs make a right" argument.

furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.



No one is saying it's right. I'm just saying there is a greater evil at play than the small riots. Why focus on that?



Small riots?  Last I heard, Minneapolis accrued around $500 million in damage.  More people have died during these protests than unarmed black people by the police in 2019.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853266 - 07/30/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Was there a bomb?
Can you point me to evidence that somebody's home was burned?


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26853273 - 07/30/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How about you answer the hypothetical first, then we can talk about bombs.

Would you support a group that saw you as just another causality of their crusade? It could be your house burns, it could be they smash in your windows and loot your business, it could be both eventually.

I genuinely feel that the conversation about needing police reform is a completely different conversation. At the moment, the cops aren't destroying our cities. They are the lesser of two evils and we in fact need them to stop the rioting.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26853275 - 07/30/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How do you figure?  You were talking about innocent folk's livelihoods being destroyed and supported it with a picture of some tweets from a guy that is upset that his local starbucks was vandalized.

Boo-fucking-hoo.




To think innocent people's lives are not being affected is stupid.  "Protesters set fire to home with child inside."
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853276 - 07/30/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'll bet tories were really upset about all the unruly mobs too.

Tough titty for those bootlickers.  It's an American tradition.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26853280 - 07/30/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26853281 - 07/30/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How many people were killed in that Michigan protest?
How many were injured?




Thousands? The people protesting against masks and for ending lockdowns have killed thousands. Tens of thousands.



By that metric the blm protesters have killed 100s of thousands  :lol: :cookiemonster:




They were protesting safety measures like wearing masks and keeping bars closed?

How many times do you people have to be told that protesting outside with a mask on is safe. Telling people not to wear mask and to open bars is why the us is still seeing 1,000+ deaths a day


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26853284 - 07/30/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll bet tories were really upset about all the unruly mobs too.

Tough titty for those bootlickers.  It's an American tradition.




I think you'd be embarrassed at how fast you'd change your tune if the rioters personally inconvenienced you. That goes for anyone supporting them.

I think everyone who supports the rioting who isn't in the path of their hurricane is ignorant at best and morally grandstanding for brownie points at worst.

You not being in their path of destruction is just luck. Your position on it all won't save you from them if they eventually come your way.

P.S. Just a reminder. Protesting = Good. Rioting = Bad.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853298 - 07/30/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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P.S. Just a reminder. Protesting = Good. Rioting = Bad.



Cops killing people = Bad.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: koods]
    #26853302 - 07/30/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How many people were killed in that Michigan protest?
How many were injured?




Thousands? The people protesting against masks and for ending lockdowns have killed thousands. Tens of thousands.



By that metric the blm protesters have killed 100s of thousands  :lol: :cookiemonster:




They were protesting safety measures like wearing masks and keeping bars closed?

How many times do you people have to be told that protesting outside with a mask on is safe. Telling people not to wear mask and to open bars is why the us is still seeing 1,000+ deaths a day



They were protesting the lockdowns dude and their protest was a fraction of a size of yours. If the anti lockdown protests are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths then your protest is responsible for hundreds of thousands. Thats just the way it is koods


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26853309 - 07/30/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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P.S. Just a reminder. Protesting = Good. Rioting = Bad.



Cops killing people = Bad.




Agree.

Now, are you capable of agreeing with ME, too?


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26853312 - 07/30/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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They were protesting the lockdowns dude and their protest was a fraction of a size of yours. If the anti lockdown protests are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths then your protest is responsible for hundreds of thousands. Thats just the way it is koods




Shutting the economy down is going to kill exponentially more shortly. 10,000 children are starving to death already for the last few months according to the UN, directly linked to the virus. That number is going to go up.

While everyone is off arguing over the safety of masks, the richest men in the world like Bezos from Amazon are quietly transferring all of America's wealth to men like himself. This is the greatest hijacking of the economy we've ever seen.

The coronavirus was a distraction and is going to be a drop in the bucket relative to what is to come if we don't re-open the world right now.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853318 - 07/30/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Do I agree that rioting is bad?  Sure.  It's an unfortunate reality that the peaceful protests have been infiltrated by rioters.  Still, the protests are far too important to have them shut down just because of riots.  If the riots can't be dealt with in a manner that does not impede protests, then the riots should be tolerated.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
    #26853325 - 07/30/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Do I agree that rioting is bad?  Sure.  It's an unfortunate reality that the peaceful protests have been infiltrated by rioters.




Agree.

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Still, the protests are far too important to have them shut down just because of riots.  If the riots can't be dealt with in a manner that does not impede protests, then the riots should be tolerated.




If they ransacked your personal business or set your house on fire, you still going to hold that opinion?

I act like they already did, because I know that no belief system I could hold would stop them from doing so if I was in the way.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853327 - 07/30/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Of course I would still hold that opinion.  The right thing to do doesn't change because of whatever personal cost it might hold for me.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
    #26853330 - 07/30/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm calling your bluff because I don't believe you.


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    #26853332 - 07/30/20 10:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You don't have to believe me.  Reality isn't contingent upon your belief.


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    #26853336 - 07/30/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Find me two people who have lost their livelihood and still support the rioters.

I say two because there's always that one weirdo.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853337 - 07/30/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What relevance does that have in this conversation?  You asked about MY position.  And where did I say anything about supporting rioters?


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