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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: christopera]
    #26853185 - 07/30/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So why are you avoiding this question?

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Also, does blocking traffic somehow magically get equality for POC? Because isn't that what the protests are supposed to be about, you know, equality for everyone?




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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite] * 1
    #26853198 - 07/30/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I know you're not dumb, you're fairly smart. I didn't mean to be an asshole to you.

Well, I guess I have to take that back

IT IS A HUMAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO TRAVEL FREELY. WHEN PROTESTERS STOP SOMEONE FROM FREE MOVEMENT, THAT IS VIOLATING SOMEONE'S RIGHTS

Look it up yourself, are you going to really act dumb AND lazy?



Tell me what part of the constitution gives people the right to use the street.  Thank you in advance.

Also, please explain why BLM protesters don't have this same right.

You seem to have zero understanding of the Constitution.  The Constitution is a limitation on government...not on citizens.  Your rights under the constitution are about government intrusion.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #26853208 - 07/30/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there




Nobody has been able to show that they didn't have permits.

If they didn't, then of course it was illegal.

Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
    #26853210 - 07/30/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Outside of obtaining a permit for protesting, walking on any road outside of a crosswalk is jaywalking.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: christopera]
    #26853211 - 07/30/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.



That's one of those sovereign citizen theories.  Even if such a right existed, it would only prohibit government from stopping you.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
    #26853212 - 07/30/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Walking on any road outside of a crosswalk is jaywalking.



That's not true.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26853214 - 07/30/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Why?


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
    #26853215 - 07/30/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So why are you avoiding this question?

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Also, does blocking traffic somehow magically get equality for POC? Because isn't that what the protests are supposed to be about, you know, equality for everyone?







The question is too fucking stupid to address.

Blocking traffic is the inevitable result of a permitted protest. In most cities the police literally setup barriers so that protesters can move safely.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26853216 - 07/30/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Been seeing this take so often it's nauseating.
"I support police reform, but..."
"I support the first amendment, but..."
"there's nothing wrong with peaceful protest, but..."

They all mostly boil down to the same thing:  "Protests are fine as long as they don't inconvenience me."
which is mostly just cover for "I don't agree with these protestors and I hope they catch a beatdown"

I'm actually ok if someone wants to take that position.  I just prefer it be straight up without all the nonsense cover.  At least then we can debate the real issues instead of the fine line between a protest and an unlawful assembly.





Virtually everyone takes the position of, "stop the rioters." when their business or livelihood actually gets affected.

The only people that don't are the one that pretend they won't have a change of heart when the whirlwind comes for them. They're so far removed from their livelihoods actually BEING destroyed that they have this false compassion for those that destroy the property of innocent people. That false compassion evaporates in a heartbeat the moment you're actually a target of their destruction.

The trick is to imagine that they already destroyed your livelihood and then form your opinion from that standpoint. Why support someone that WOULD destroy you just for being in the way?

I don't support the mob... not the way the think and not their justice.



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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853231 - 07/30/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That guy owned the Starbucks?


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26853233 - 07/30/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The apartments are above the Starbucks.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853237 - 07/30/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So his livelihood wasn't destroyed then?


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26853238 - 07/30/20 10:01 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think if you're making the case that his livelihood wasn't affected directly (unlike thousands of others), its only making my point more poignant.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26853241 - 07/30/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fear of rioters coming back, fear of needing to invest in a gun to be prepared (they are not cheap), a decision to maybe relocate... these may all affect your finances/business regardless.

Also, these signs... the fact they even HAVE to exist... NOT ok.



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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853245 - 07/30/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How many livelihoods equals one life?  Multiply that by 1000 and that's the damage cops do every year.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
    #26853246 - 07/30/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not interested in a (subjective, even) "Two wrongs make a right" argument.

furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853247 - 07/30/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How do you figure?  You were talking about innocent folk's livelihoods being destroyed and supported it with a picture of some tweets from a guy that is upset that his local starbucks was vandalized.

Boo-fucking-hoo.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26853251 - 07/30/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, talk about disingenuous.

I already said the Starbucks was on the first floor of his house. If you read the tweets the cops said everyone needed to evacuate their apartment for fear of a bomb threat. He also said he's thinking of buying a gun out of fear.

I am genuinely curious how fast you'd change your tune if they lit your house on fire.

I form my opinions from a place where they already lit mine on fire... because they've destroyed thousands of businesses already and it's not hard for me to place my self in their shoes.


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26853252 - 07/30/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm not interested in a (subjective, even) "Two wrongs make a right" argument.

furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.



No one is saying it's right. I'm just saying there is a greater evil at play than the small riots. Why focus on that?


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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: christopera]
    #26853256 - 07/30/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there




Nobody has been able to show that they didn't have permits.

If they didn't, then of course it was illegal.

Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.



You really think that they actually had the permits but didn't show or tell anyone about them?


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