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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Professor X]
    #27255794 - 03/16/21 03:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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My hopes are to get into the ears of people who likely waste a shitload of time and resources "sanitizing" their air and workspace after a bad damn tub.




Eh... This statement below from earlier, brought to us by someone reading scientific research papers, has already done more to validate concerns with environmental contaminants than experiments like yours could ever do to invalidate them for reasons stated earlier, and we have other additional reasons to clean the air in mushroom cultivation anyway.

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Just to add to this... trich will aerosolize mycelium particles along with the spores. In fact, there may be as much as 390 times the amount of mycelium versus spores in the air if you've got some green growing. And living fragments latch on and grow much more readily than spores. Just some additional info I was reading in the research paper "Fungal Fragments as Indoor Air Biocontaminates."




For sure though, getting better at making spawn and thoroughly sterilizing it is important. For a while I went on about trying to minimize my sterilizer cook times when using plastic containers for energy efficiency and learned pretty quickly not to by very much due to bacteria, and early on in learning cultivation if I didn't hydrate grains fully it practically wouldn't matter if I sterilized them for 2 hours. So yeah, getting spawn improved is definitely far far far more important than cleaning the air, and "wasting a shitload of time and resources sanitizing their air and workspace" wouldn't be the place to start, nor would most of those resources and efforts pay off anyway, like bleaching which only kills things on a smooth non-porous surface and actually kinda "feeds" mold otherwise.




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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #27255803 - 03/16/21 03:44 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Amazing.

How many contaminated tubs have you had to date?

Does the external environment really make that much of a difference on whether you get trich or not on that scale?




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1) many after flushing twice, sometimes after first flush, and rarely before first.

2) I do believe it may be possible, my house is very moldy from poor building practices. We simply do the best practices we can in our situation. For example, emptying contaminated tubs three times a week, followed by a sweep, mild bleach mop, and mild bleach spray on walls, wiping down shelves. We have a HEPA scrubber, and have an additional a/c unit in the hot summer months to keep the temp down away from the 80s. All to say, yeah the environment will effect the tubs, some people don't grow in the summer months for this reason (if their environments get very hot).

But what I can also say is that despite all the pitfalls of a poorly built house leading to water damage and mold problems, we can still get tub after tub after tub of full flushes where you look at it like it's a problem that there are too many mushrooms, in the same room as tubs not doing as well. So it will remain a mystery to me to say for certain, we just do the best we can.


Any bigish edibles mushroom farm fruiting room one can see on youtoob would probably have a pressure washer taken to it, chemical fogged or some methods in between rotations to maintain a relatively clean area.




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i definitely agree that a light bleach spray makes much less trich on 2nd flush tubs.  Even with green totes in the fruiting area I too rarely see trich on 1st flush tubs and if so I attribute it to bad spawn




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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #27255820 - 03/16/21 03:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

So since I carved out a shit load of contams like a retard launching tons of spores and aerosolized myccelium into my space the first year I was growing. And off and on mixed a ton of dry unpastuerized manure and other materials since then in my space launching spore and mycelium particles all over the place. And finally a Ph'd casing literally solving all my problems after trying everything else imaginable, it is pretty obvious what has been going on. SPORELOAD! To any other unfortunate ones out there who are experiencing my problem and were told every where they looked that spore load is never an issue, good luck. I hope you find your way.


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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #27257424 - 03/17/21 01:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I mostly agree with you. You should probably keep it to one post at a time though, I think there’s even a bit of a rule about it.

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I grow in a room housing 5 adult male rats and a dog with a carpeted floor. Talk about spore load. No such issues. Sounds like your casing solved your problem but tbh I think your real problem is growing cubes in archaic unnecessary crap. No benefit and all that trouble. Glad you got it ironed out.




Tell me which of those animals and objects create mold cells and spores please

Carpets are super gross if not brand new but motion of any kind on any floor stirs up dust and stuff. What’s on the floor and in the environment does matter more.


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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Violet]
    #27259798 - 03/19/21 12:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry about that won't do it again. Thanks for the feedback Violet. I can't say for certain what happened I just can't see any other explanation than something environmental at this point. If anyone read through some of what I did and has a different perspective I'd love to hear it.


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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Sherlock Shrooms]
    #27272467 - 03/27/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

It's alright. I can't say for sure what anyone's problem is when it comes to this mess, but nobody can even try to convince me anymore that environmental contams are not a legitimate concern.  I've seen too much incredibly compelling evidence, whereas the detractors only say "but I can scratch my butt and spawn to bulk" and "but I have animals/carpet." Not only is my own "anecdotal" evidence far more compelling, but science supports it too. In that thread you quoted me from I went and found and posted the study that Munch brought to our attention, it's easy to dig up. It shows that living mold not only produces countless fresh quick-germinating spores, which we already know, but can also aerosolize fungal cells which as we all know cause new growth even faster and more aggressively.

I for one in more than one place I've lived saw immense improvements in contamination rates when I reverted my grows entirely to substrates in heat-treated containment, like containers and mycobags. Also I've seen mold spots hidden in my fruiting tent shelves create blooms of green mold throughout the chamber in moisture sitting on the surfaces of mycobags! The exact same conditions with all the mold cleaned away are far less likely to produce that result, though I do insist upon a daily "dry spell" (outside pinning conditions) short enough to not damage the young mushrooms but enough to dry up any germinating molds, because even after cleaning I believe I am at a bit higher risk.


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Re: Please help me get this right, contamination blues.. [Re: Violet]
    #27272585 - 03/28/21 03:27 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

HI Violet," because even after cleaning I believe I am at a bit higher risk."

Can you expand on that, it sounds counter to how this thread was going.
Also I hadn't even considered the floor, it's clean alright, but prolly not lab clean.


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