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It’s one of those “when you experience it you’ll know” type of things. It’s not the same for all but it is there. When someone can’t solve an action through violence and when nonviolent means aren’t possible or don’t solve anything. Like when someone brought up a serial killer who would kill again and again unless stopped. Or when someone will murder your loved ones and there is no non violent path. Or when you are out gunned and surrounded and can’t fight out.
Every philosophy reaches a breaking point eventually if you live long enough.
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 Re: When it comes to defending yourself  [Re: endtimes]
#26855793 - 07/31/20 04:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every philosophy reaches a breaking point eventually if you live long enough.
Sure, like I said, even the most devout philosopher cannot live without his blood. I try not to cling on too tightly to any one point of view, because even our best tools of reasoning are always either inconsistent or incomplete. I think of any particular philosophy on ethics as a tool for understanding reality, but nothing more than that. Still, my most primitive assumptions about reality have an influence on my actions (however subtle that may be), so I try to be picky about my philosophy. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yeah, any philosophy will have flaws or questions it can't really answer, but that doesn't mean we should give up on philosophy.
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endtimes
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Not at all. Just be ready for the times it will fail.
I heard someone mention that moral rules are so gray and there is always some debate about what one OUGHT to do and that the only thing you should do is look out for your own (people who you love and care for) and that is the most you can do.
It's practical I'll say that.
Edited by endtimes (07/31/20 06:31 PM)
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes] 1
#26856160 - 07/31/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I absolutely would defend myself without hesitation and with great respect. I would not feel bad. I hold the lives of loved ones and myself in high regard. I've seen real shit happen.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Nichrome]
#26856742 - 08/01/20 07:06 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The more value a person feels they have, the more they will defend themselves. And not just against a physical threat, but threats to things of value to them.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26856758 - 08/01/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Some things are worth fighting for.
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Edited by Asante (08/01/20 07:19 AM)
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Asante]
#26856802 - 08/01/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess it depends what you consider to be worth it.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
#26856833 - 08/01/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Philosophy has always ran with ones we love. The topic has not been really understood at times but at the end of the day that love prevails and protects and will not allow evil to take advantage over the purpouse of philosophy..
Dont fuck with philosophy.. It runs with karma, and that is an unbreakable law of nature.. Theres a chasm between Philosophy and the natural law since I can ever remember and things appear to have happened that are causing these two phenomena to merge.. It isn't complete.. But when love and those you care about keep being threatened by the evil of this world, whether it be from gangs or just a small group of 5 guys, karma and philosophy, the deeper understanding and higher forces of gods law will always win
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: John_PLUR84] 1
#26856841 - 08/01/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lemme check the ban list real fast so I know who I'm speaking to... 
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Srirachi] 1
#26856851 - 08/01/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lemme check the ban list real fast so I know who I'm speaking to...
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: John_PLUR84]
#26857097 - 08/01/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Uhhhhh, what?
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes] 1
#26857435 - 08/01/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Every living think defends itself,why should humans be different. You have a right to exist as much as the next.
 I wrote think, but sure meaning was understood.
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Edited by Ice9 (08/01/20 03:48 PM)
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Ice9]
#26857463 - 08/01/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I cannot deny that.
But I think humans complicate things more than animals do. With animals it’s life and death with predator and prey. With humans it’s nothing like that, at least not in a literal sense. Much of the violence and death we cause is just ignorance, pure foolishness and if we were only a little smarter and more aware it wouldn’t happen to begin with.
Yes every living thing defends itself (well aside from most planets), but I think it’s different with humans.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
#26857468 - 08/01/20 03:42 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cats kill things for fun all the time.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: 1234go]
#26857682 - 08/01/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah that’s a chilling fact I learned about them.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
#26857702 - 08/01/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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So do orca's and seals and chimps. Black mambas are ass holes and so are fire ants. Raccoons drown dogs.
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: Nichrome]
#26857976 - 08/01/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jesus man...
Here I thought it was just cats but I guess everything kills for fun
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
#26859232 - 08/02/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I also find it troubling to protect what is "mine" considering no one truly "owns" anything and I don't find it worth killing or harming another human being over it (whatever it is).
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: endtimes]
#26859266 - 08/02/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ownership of territory, things and ideas is the exercise of power and influence. Societies often form institutions which allow whole groups to exercise power and influence over the collective in order to legitimize concepts of ownership through action.
If no one owns anything insofar as you're not willing to physically defend a claim to the thing, then the concept of ownership also does not exist enough to be using collectively available tools of nonviolent expressions to power. Reporting a stolen item or using the court system to right a wrong is as illusive when it comes to ownership as any other exercise society offers, violence included.
Ownership is no more real or fake than any other human social concept. It's established, observable, repeatable and results in action (in the sense that it has an effect on material reality).
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Re: When it comes to defending yourself [Re: PatrickKn]
#26859270 - 08/02/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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But bro we are all equal come eat all my food and sleep in my house!
Edit: actually it sounds kind of dumb when you put like that and not some fanatical philosophical perspective
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