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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
    #26846642 - 07/26/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hey.  Quit being a bitch or get the fuck out.  Your welcome is wearing super thin.  Most people get it by now.  You just keep digging further.  NOBODY is being a dick or insulting you.  I mean, yeah, I am now.  But you kinda walked into that.

He told you to step up your agar game in response to your contaminated jars.  That was the piece of advice.  What do you expect?  Baby needs more hand holdy?


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
    #26846647 - 07/26/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You are mad because TCs are trying to help you be successful? You need to take ur feelings out of these discussions and learn how to take feedback/constructive criticism. Otherwise you will just be back here asking why you can’t grow shit


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
    #26846661 - 07/26/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Dont be such a wiener. Listen to what's being said.

Dont use manure stick with coir. Your current jars are probably going to mold on you.

Make more. Try again.


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
    #26846670 - 07/26/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Your jars should look like this IME



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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: CrashTest]
    #26846694 - 07/26/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hes using oats it should look more like dis mon:rasta:



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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
    #26846722 - 07/26/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Hes using oats it should look more like dis mon:rasta:






Oh true, that looks great; his jars look murky af tho.


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: CrashTest]
    #26846727 - 07/26/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Honestly mine ain't that great either:blush:

But I dont think bruh even has cube myc here:shrug:
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
    #26846733 - 07/26/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Honestly mine ain't that great either:blush:

But I dont think bruh even has cube myc here:shrug:
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Through this screen those look like they’re full of murky water haha, but they don’t look great either way. I didn’t read but I’m assuming MSS to grain which is just asking for contams


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: CrashTest]
    #26849578 - 07/28/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Taking spores to agar is hard in my opinion for a newb I don't get y ppl don't tell newbs to start with spore syrings to grain.ya I get it no spore syring can be completely clean cause u obtain spores from an unsteril environment.but wen I was a newb that how I started.ppl act like all of them will comtam. Not in my experience as a newb I ran 100s of qt jars of grain inoculated with spores mabey 5 total contamed.and all monotubs got 3 flushes was pretty easy then take clone to agar much easier in my opinion.for newbs all this is already hard enough I feel like that is best place to start


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
    #26849783 - 07/28/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't get y ppl don't tell newbs to start with spore syrings to grain.




Yeah we tried that here for like 10 years and the net results were just not as good.  You're gonna have to trust the test of time on this.


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Inocuole]
    #26849844 - 07/28/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ya I know alot of you guys want it done the correct way but IV read this dude threads he wasn't fruits an I figure that's an easy route for him.also if u get it from vendor the spore works I get fully colinized jars 90% of the time seems pretty reliable to me especially for a newb


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
    #26849847 - 07/28/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Gotta start somewhere right but agar is fairly hard with syrings much easier with cloning


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
    #26849969 - 07/28/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My first jars were MS syringe to grain. I made 9 and only 3 survived the test of time. The next set of jars I did spores to agar to grain and I have 10 out of 10. Winning!


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: SoupyGeorge]
    #26850286 - 07/28/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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My first jars were MS syringe to grain. I made 9 and only 3 survived the test of time. The next set of jars I did spores to agar to grain and I have 10 out of 10. Winning!




And there's our testimony as to why that is how it is. :shrug:

Trust me, I did spores to grain to start with.  Then I switched to agar and went from happy to get a few ounces to "omg pounds" real quick.  I don't wanna have to get lucky to accomplish what I set out to achieve.  Brute force with applied knowledge, like a human being with all of their species knowledge at their fingertips. <3


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Inocuole]
    #26850887 - 07/28/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yup! No matter how many times you say it, people want to do stuff their own way despite all of your successes and many pounds of product. Maybe it is because nobody likes the #1 rule in this hobby -patience? Syringe to grain can work -until it doesn't. I've done it. But spores to agar to grain to bulk will rock your world 95%+ of the time. The small % of contams that show up can be EZ Lee be traced back to where you screwed up IME. Plus your chances of a knock-out canopy grow are real good with spores to agar, transfer to agar, agar wedge to grain, transfer to bulk. I have had (years ago) decent grows with syringe to grain jars, but NOTHING like agar work!


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: scarabaeus]
    #26851388 - 07/29/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

My argument wasn't that spores are superior to agar.my argument also wasn't about the success rate agar being better than spores .it was about the easiest way a newb can get fruits witch in my opinion is still spore to grain.this guy is a newb he wants fruits not consistentsy.that part will come with practice.but IV had jars fail with spores but most of the time it's not many. as for yeild they are much lower with spores that is true. but the kid on this thread wants fruits an that's the easiest way to get them.iv never done the brf cakes I went straight to bulk.an like I said above I did 100qt jars spores to gain about 2 years ago and had only 5 jars contaminate.not to bad in my eyes.newbs will always fail or get confused a little bit.but that argument at hand isn't that I think spores are better than agar it's just ppl act like it's impossible for success witch I know personal it isn't


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
    #26851395 - 07/29/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Also how can a newb tell if they are transfer mold or mycilum or what tomentose or rizomorphic growth is.and spores on agar are never rizomorphic this will just further confuse a new cultivator. They wanna learn how to grow not how to transfer mold 10x before they have a few qts work.then after all that work get the same yeild as a mss syring.cause they have no idea what they doing. Agar is way better for many different reasons no doubt about that I just think it would be much harder for a newb to grasp the concept


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
    #26851397 - 07/29/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I tried spores to grain from several vendors. Never worked for me. Agar was the only way I was able to ensure my grow succeeded. Some people roll 7’s all night before they lose big. I never had that much luck :shrug:


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
    #26851440 - 07/29/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Also how can a newb tell if they are transfer mold or mycilum or what tomentose or rizomorphic growth is.and spores on agar are never rizomorphic this will just further confuse a new cultivator. They wanna learn how to grow not how to transfer mold 10x before they have a few qts work.then after all that work get the same yeild as a mss syring.cause they have no idea what they doing. Agar is way better for many different reasons no doubt about that I just think it would be much harder for a newb to grasp the concept




Well, I guess that's why we're told to start with pf tek. That way you can just inject and watch. Then you'll know what you're looking at.

Honestly, I don't see the issue inoculating a case of quarts and getting 8 contaminated. Those 8 jars only represent a dollar, and 5 minutes in the kitchen. And I can just bury the contaminates in the compost heap, so it's still not wasted. 4 quarts of grain is a good stash. Especially if you bury the spent substrate under a grass pile. Get about 6 ounces inside then it'll keep spitting them out until frost.

That means no agar, no sab, just willing to accept losses.

I totally get the whole do it right thing. It's a better policy. But lazy. It's not like this is our job, most of us don't need an ounce a day. It makes sense that people always want to take the easy way. We do almost everything "good enough" to get by, but not even trying to get it right


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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26851479 - 07/29/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I know they not the most reliable but all I'm saying is the kid wants fruits let's get him some.even if he inoculated 20 jars and only 5 make it that's a start.better that all the experts telling him go from spores to agar.and not knowing what he's looking at or where to transfer from.it just seems more confusing for him


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