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Is hesitation the crux of procrastination?
    #26851023 - 07/29/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Idk, but sometimes it feels that way.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26851077 - 07/29/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because I have some incredible potential, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think it's human to have potential but we don't always have access to it.

But sometimes we do, and I find it fascinating. I'd like to crack that one day, for now it's open from time to time.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26851094 - 07/29/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The crux of procrastination is often a lack of dopamine if you ask me.

At its core, procrastination is an inability to control yourself. If we could control ourselves and our emotions then we would never procrastinate, but we can't. Instead we're often controlled by our emotions. Even when we think we're in control of ourselves, we're often just deluding ourselves, and stuff like procrastination shows this. We think we're in control, but we're not doing what we want to do which shows we're not really in control.

I think in the distant future one day maybe people will be able to totally control themselves and their emotions 100%. We'll be a dramatically different species if that happens. Everyone will work their asses off 12+ hours a day, and have fun doing it. Everyone will accomplish everything they want to and more. Imagine if you could just will yourself to stick to a strict and grueling schedule of work, study, and play while having fun doing it. All the things we could accomplish and learn... Everyone would always live up to their potential. If you multiply that by 7+ billion people, it'd be a whole different ballgame.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #26851158 - 07/29/20 05:51 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

hesitation is so you can get a better view of an escape route or an attack opportunity.

procrastination is lack of confidence, no matter how long you hesitate. more like ptsd


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26851170 - 07/29/20 06:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What if it's just for doing dishes?

Not for like world war 3 or anything, but for like picking up your undies.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26851512 - 07/29/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

ptsd kicks in when the dishes pile up higher than the surrounding counters,
and dirty laundry can scare the bejesus out of any healthy soldier as well.

focus on one task at a time and don't let the immensity of anything make you shrink into your condom.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26851710 - 07/29/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

@sudly

I knew an enlightened person who said he had to get therapy, even after enlightenment, to overcome procrastination with regard to a certain project, apparently it eventually worked, and he published his book.

So it may have more than one cause and accordingly there may be more than one treatment.
And it may not always be simple to fix. And self blame doesn't help, as it can affect most anyone.
It certainly generates a lot of 'self-help' books.

It affects many to many varying degrees.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26853483 - 07/30/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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sudly said:
Because I have some incredible potential, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think it's human to have potential but we don't always have access to it.

But sometimes we do, and I find it fascinating. I'd like to crack that one day, for now it's open from time to time.




Potential is an interesting thing for sure and the issue of what to do with it. Jordan Peterson talks a lot about it. He says that children are full of potential. Most people have good opportunities to begin to actualize it I think. Some are born in conditions and environments where they don't have much, but still they have something. The way I see it is that potential is nothing special: everyone has potential. Like I got told in my previous job a few years ago that I have a lot of potential (didn't get fired, but contract ended), which was true and I felt it at the time. Now here I am and I don't think much of it has become reality in what I do. The special part is to work towards it: the potential of what you could be and do...
The problem is that there is finite time to actualize that potential. In regards to this Peterson gives an example of Captain Cook and the crocodile that is time in Peter Pan. Time ticks away.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26854817 - 07/31/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe we could develop some kind of principle or description of a mechanical system that drives action, but applying it might be a whole other thing.

I think the idea though is just that having that knowledge would mean it's doable, maybe make it easier.

I mean it's like muscle physique, we all know how it's achieved, theoretically, but that doesn't mean we've all attained it.

In the same sense, if we knew what principles led to action, and overcame procrastination, and overrode hesitation, that'd be a step in helping people do what they set out to. Or at least to make more consistent progress.

With me, sometimes I hesitate simple tasks, but at other times I don't hesitate to do it. A worldwide problem.

Afterwards I often wonder what the trigger was that got me from A to B with a task completed in between.

At work, when it's for money, those tasks seem a necessity. At home, for my own.. want, it can be done anytime and 'left for later'.

When I deem a task a necessity the hesitation is lifted and the procrastination cured.

But I don't know how to deem something a necessity and actualize it.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26854892 - 07/31/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

so when you do hesitate, are you stuck while evaluating if you are up to the task?

this point is a good one to begin coddling physical pains and other signs of unpreparedness. feeling less capable will be a good excuse not to perform.

lack of confidence needs more analysis. it is a conversation with the self


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26854974 - 07/31/20 07:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)



Watch.

Understand.

Be enlightened.

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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: The Thing]
    #26855154 - 07/31/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

that monkey gets me every time.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26855358 - 07/31/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How do you deem work a necessity? You need money to live is one. What else? You may ask yourself what else is a necessity for you to live well.
Doing the chores at home is a necessity at some point, but it isn't in the same category as work isn't it?


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly] * 1
    #26856559 - 08/01/20 01:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I'd assert you're closer to the truth of the matter than you may think, OP.

The bigger the hesitation gap in the individual, the more likely they are to procrastinate IMHO.

"Discipline" is then the ability to "close" that gap, or at least "think faster" "around" it, so to speak, to enable behavior change despite internal emotional inertia.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26856582 - 08/01/20 02:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I think discipline should more viewed as a skill than as a quality. Your hesitation, your torpor are feelings. Procrastination is a choice born out of comfort. It's not really that comfortable, but it's more comfortable than action. It takes a conscious effort to override your natural impulse to inaction when you experience these emotions. A similar but different kind of feeling is when you're running, and you start to feel a little bit gassed. You know that you can get more mileage out but it's terribly uncomfortable to do so. Your body says quit, but you know, intellectually, that you haven't reached that point of breaking yet. You can make yourself keep going.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: CarpEater]
    #26857210 - 08/01/20 12:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

both discipline and confidence are resultant of practice.
practice trumps hesitation and procrastination.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26858390 - 08/02/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

As someone who has been through brain injury, I definitely suggest checking out the brain or something, like, does your head feel heavy? Do you have other distortions in thinking? Maybe a little low on something in there.

You can come up with a lot of shit and get nowhere for a very long time only to find you had to wait 10 years for your brain to grow back.

Otherwise, to label yourself as someone with massive potential, is a bit isolated, like it suggests you don't socialise much.

If you're not going to socialise, you need to have a lot of energy.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26859676 - 08/02/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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hesitation is so you can get a better view of an escape route or an attack opportunity.

procrastination is lack of confidence, no matter how long you hesitate. more like ptsd




As a matter of fact, procrastination (and self-sabotaging behavior) in my clinical experienced is often fear-based, trauma-based, and hence a symptom of PTSD (although I do not need to make this name-calling diagnosis since I do not accept insurance). My father used to call me a procrastinator but in my case it was just a passive-aggressive response to not wanting to do what HE wanted me to do. When, for example, I got to a PhD program and handed in a 20+ page paper in September that was due in December, I realized that I was NOT a procrastinator. Like all of my (then future) clinical clients, I too had been laboring under a lie perpetuated by my father, but I had been subjected to recurrent insults not full-on traumatic events. Traumas result in an approach-avoidance conflicts which can take the form of procrastination.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: CarpEater]
    #26859939 - 08/03/20 01:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe even a piecemeal approach is part of the problem.

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A work not done systematically and with planning as a whole but fragmentarily in pieces. Tackled in separate stages rather than being planned and done with determination till completion is called a piecemeal approach to the problem.




I think I've gotten more done without the piecemeal approach imo.

But its a lot to tackle at once and in some tasks I've missed things.

What do y'all think of a piecemeal approach? Or what context it might be appropriate or not.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26860266 - 08/03/20 08:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That like the pomodori technique are very helpful. You only do one thing at a time anyways so why not realize it and focus on that.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26860524 - 08/03/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

piecemeal makes terrific sense, most things are multi layered:

Create a solid plan and a logical framework in time AKA a schedule for each of the pieces to be done; some prioritized over others because they get buried underneath (like footings are buried under foundations, and foundations buried under waterproofing and then gravel and the earth as well as the first floor layer and the rising walls of your house)...

The last, topmost and outermost layers and some of the finest and more delicate-innermost layers follow, when the basics are all ready to finish.

Each piece has a relation to the others - sized in anticipation of the rest, and the earlier pieces support those that follow, all set according to your plan.

it is hard to generalize for all applications but house building is a great model of big works achievable in pieces.

I was lucky to witness large scale construction projects (age 24) and was later able to schedule them myself (26).

the fastest I ever built a house was 14 working days for a 4 bedroom single family 2 story brick house with a garage and a fireplace.

After planning, it involved a lot of negotiation,. This was before computers were used for communication and scheduling, and the trades people and suppliers had to cooperate.

Anyway, big works are possible in pieces scheduled together with common purpose.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26865869 - 08/06/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I mean a piecemeal approach kinda seems okay, not sure I really understood it before, I have leant towards the determination till completion in a certain task, knowing I wouldn't complete it in one sitting and I kinda hung there for a while.

A bit of foresight or planning and tackling one step at a time was okay to think about.

But this line from the pomodori struck some kinda accord with me, "work with the time they have—rather than against it".

I think I work more with the time I have at work, and against it at home, oddly enough.

But it's nice to hear that and expand my awareness on it in a way. :sun:


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26866499 - 08/06/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I was lucky to witness large scale construction projects (age 24) and was later able to schedule them myself (26).

the fastest I ever built a house was 14 working days for a 4 bedroom single family 2 story brick house with a garage and a fireplace.

After planning, it involved a lot of negotiation,. This was before computers were used for communication and scheduling, and the trades people and suppliers had to cooperate.





"14 working days" wow, and brick, wow. Hard to believe, even a big crew would seem to have trouble keeping out of each other's way. Amazing.


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26866731 - 08/06/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

also it was in the middle of a larger project (usually makes things easier to schedule) yet it was also during a city wide bricklayer strike - some subterfuge there - had to smuggle non-union bricklayers past a picket.
and, I started before permit was issued (city said my father in law was dumping on parkland so my permit was held up) because it was sold and closing the same month - and I did not want to send the purchaser to a hotel.
I showed the footing inspector a different permit card for this one, and it passed.
subterfuge but no bribery


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26867857 - 08/07/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My expectations are like a zig zaggy black cloud with tall sharp points, and reality more often than not is like a blue butterfly, loping by on the wind.

My expectations =><= Reality


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: sudly]
    #26867917 - 08/07/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

reminds me of the insect's brain


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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26869040 - 08/07/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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also it was in the middle of a larger project (usually makes things easier to schedule) yet it was also during a city wide bricklayer strike - some subterfuge there - had to smuggle non-union bricklayers past a picket.
and, I started before permit was issued (city said my father in law was dumping on parkland so my permit was held up) because it was sold and closing the same month - and I did not want to send the purchaser to a hotel.
I showed the footing inspector a different permit card for this one, and it passed.
subterfuge but no bribery




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Re: Is hesitation the crux of procrastination? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26869564 - 08/08/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

exactly, harder to do these days with facial recog and surveillance, and cell phones.

but scheduling should be easier.


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