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Anonymous #1

I use people, and you should, too.
    #26848026 - 07/27/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I just needed to admit it.

I post wildly outrageous bullshit that I don't even agree with, just to see how people from different walks of life react to different inputs. I'm a writer, professionally, and I do it as a character study. I can't walk up to someone on the street and just spew all this bullshit at random strangers. But here, it's like people are looking for something to grandstand for or against. The whole internet is like that really, but here there are fewer rules like in OTD where you can say things that possibly only 3 or 4 other forums in the world will tolerate without banning you.

And here's why you should try it.

It is a chance you will soon lose. The groundswell against using the word nigger is going to be too great for even this place soon, and you will never know how it feels to be completely unrestrained by societal norms so you can seek for yourself the truth in it. I feel icky having just typed nigger. I'm permitted to say it here though. No one is going to murder me for it.

The thing is, once I was able to overcome the psychological horror or violating a societal norm, I was free to explore what the word actually does. I didn't get stopped at the door, so to speak, by societal norms which we all realize are, on some level, fucking bullshit. I could explore why the word might be awful. It isn't the same as Cracker or Karen, because those words are just insults. Nigger is more. Nigger is a word that was used to assault an entire group of human beings and to justify the unjustifiable actions taken against them. I would not have understood that if it hadn't been for being able to move past the taboo of just the word itself. The historical implication of the word carries so much weight, I don't think there is a word a white person can be called that is even similarly ugly, except for "racist."

That's a pretty ugly thing to call someone. It means you're not even human, because you have chosen to separate yourself from a group of people. Biologically speaking, that is you becoming a subspecies. Being racist actually means you have become unhuman in strict biological terms. So maybe that is almost as bad as saying the N word, to call someone a racist when they are in fact not that.

Anyway, this isn't about racism. This is about using what time you have left as a free person to think while you still can. Use the people here. Learn from them. Explore your taboos. Ythan cannot keep this place free forever - it could happen tomorrow, and I'll get banned for something I posted in 1999 as a thought experiment, then doxxed and I will lose my job and get shot to death robbing a bank.


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Anonymous #2

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26848760 - 07/27/20 08:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:and get shot to death robbing a bank.




Look into cybercrime, instead.  Stick and move, brother.  Stick and move.


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Anonymous #3

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26848807 - 07/27/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:
I will lose my job and get shot to death robbing a bank.



The rest of your post was absolute trash apart from this bit.

That's a fucking cool way to die.


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Anonymous #4

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26848839 - 07/27/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You use people for your own pleasure/fun. So do a lot of people, probably everyone to a certain extent. Maybe not quite to the same extent you do, but still.

Your justification for doing so is just an excuse though, and a pretty ridiculous one at that. Don't delude yourself into believing your own excuse. And I think that your desire for others to do the same things you do is also an attempt at excusing/justifying your behavior. If other people do it too then that will make you feel better. But I don't really think you should feel bad anyway. So you use people for your own pleasure, so what? So do a lot of people, so does everyone to some extent. If you feel bad about it then maybe do it less.

Free speech isn't going to be gone any time soon, and there isn't anything to be gained by saying random crap in OTD. That's just silly. The whole idea you're proposing is silly, and I think most people would view it that way. You didn't learn anything from the experience that you didn't already know, and I don't think anyone else would either. Your claim that the word racist is equally as offensive as nigger is likewise silly. The word racist is clearly less offensive.

I find it funny when people think that all free speech rides on one specific word, and not just any word. I never hear any arguments that free speech rests on fuck, shit, cunt, pussy, bitch, retard, asshole, slut, cum, whore, abortion, or any other word except that one word. That's just one of the reasons I know that it's never really about free speech at all.

Every time I hear the argument that "free speech is dead if I can't say the word nigger" it never really has anything to do with free speech at all. You can have free speech without using the word nigger. Just because people will view you as a racist for using the word nigger, that doesn't mean that free speech is dead. That just means that people have correctly judged that your use of the word nigger reflects your negative views of black people. Using the word nigger isn't against the law and it never will be, and if people view you as a racist for using it, well don't fucking use it then, and maybe reconsider your life views more broadly. No one is going to murder you for using the word nigger, but people are going to judge you for it, absolutely. That doesn't mean free speech is dead. You are judged for the content of your speech like everyone else.

So this kind of argument is not really about free speech. What this kind of argument is often really about is that people who make this argument want to be able to call black people niggers, and they're upset that they can't without people viewing them as racists. More than that, they're upset that their negative views about black people are socially unacceptable. If it was really about free speech, then it wouldn't be about the word nigger at all. And the reason why they care so much about the word "nigger" specifically and about being able to call black people niggers is because they think bad things about them.

That might not apply to you, OP, but I see this same kind of argument posted on here all the time.

Frankly, I think this post is just like your others. What you're really after here is just to use people to have fun for your own personal pleasure, and you probably don't really believe what you're saying. The bigger problem is not that you're lying to us, it's that you're lying to yourself about your own goals and motivations.


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Anonymous #5

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #26849552 - 07/28/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Goals and motivations are the most important part of life. The means must justify the end, not the other way around.


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Anonymous #6

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #26849990 - 07/28/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You and every woman alive. Real original nigger.


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Anonymous #7

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26850299 - 07/28/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous #1 said:

Ythan cannot keep this place free forever - it could happen tomorrow, and I'll get banned for something I posted in 1999 as a thought experiment, then doxxed and I will lose my job and get shot to death robbing a bank.



Ythan literally owns the site. If anybody were to take away the freedom of the site, it would be Ythan or the federal government. As for the freedom of the site, there's forums where you can be edgy and forums where you can't. OTD and any user created forum is pretty much open season. Pretty much any other forum will ban you for using the nigger word. Your post reads like a racist playing the victim role. Boo fucking hoo.


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Anonymous #1

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #26850347 - 07/28/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, I believe you're wrong about this. Lots of people's freedoms are being taken away by the mob mentality today. This website is a business, not a charity, and there comes a point when the pressure of what freedoms people insist you take away from them becomes so great, you have to take them from them in order to survive.

I understood when I posted it then some people would consider it racist. Do you understand after I post it, that some people don't? It's a discussion, not a system of oppression.


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Anonymous #7

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26850408 - 07/28/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Once again, there are parts of the site where you can say anything you want, and other parts where you can't say anything you want. The freedom in the free forums haven't been taken away, so what are you even going on about?


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Anonymous #1

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #26850452 - 07/28/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You sound just like the first one the monster gets in the movie.

"There's no monster... what are you even talking abouAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHH"

:eyemonster:


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Anonymous #8

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26850470 - 07/28/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nigger is the most powerful word, besides Yoshua/Jesus. It shouldn't be monopolized by black people.

My favorite thing to say to strangers is... Paul taught the opposite of what Jesus taught. That gets the blood pumping. Lol


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Anonymous #7

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #26850505 - 07/28/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I dream of a world where every man, woman, and child of every race started screaming "nigger" at each other. In this world, everybody would lose their job and be cancelled from social media. The country would collapse because everybody got cancelled, and Americans would return to ranching and farming to grow their food and survive. It's what the founding fathers would have wanted honestly.


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Anonymous #1

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #26850926 - 07/28/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Funny observation from George Lopez, paraphrasing here.

"I've got freedom of speech. But you don't. You think I'm joking? Fuck you wetback nigger. I'm at work right now. I am on the job. You go into work tomorrow and say what I just said at the water cooler and tell me if you still think you have freedom of speech."


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Anonymous #7

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #26850956 - 07/28/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've worked for construction companies and they don't care too much about all that stuff.  There are companies out there you can work for where you can be a bit deplorable and they'll let you make it. It's all about who you work for. Ideally, you'd be your own boss, and set your own rules. That is true freedom.


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Anonymous #9

Re: I use people, and you should, too. [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #26874000 - 08/10/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So basically you’re saying you’re human


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