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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Lady_Sage]
#26849432 - 07/28/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to admit that I misread- I thought your mono was unmodified. I am not sure why you'd do cakes that way, but damned if it didn't work anyway. I still suspect FAE is the main contributor to your odd observations though. Even with holes, monotubs are not airflow superstars. Check out this excellent thread on what happens in a monotub with holes: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21371089
What Bod reintroduced with the Unbodified Mono is basically a modification of Monstermitch's invitro bag technique, which works great for PE for some reason, and many TCs told him would not work at all. (Mitch, ya badass, if you ever come back, say hi!) For the record, he stopped coming here because of the hate directed at him, which is something this place has always been good at but that's another story for another time. I'm playing Shroomery historian today lol.
So anyway, I still think fanning and misting is the primary reason the cakes are doing better. You're wisely asking about other variables, and one I think of is that PE is a slower variety, and the nutrients in BRF are far more readily available to the myc than in a CVG sub. Another variable I see is the spawning process. I assume you are squirting spores on the cakes, and making primary spawn for the tubs.
You seem pretty tuned in to all this so I won't hypothesize about what to try, but I am mentioning things you might think on. Possibly something isn't right when you spawn, possibly your substrate mix in your tub isn't as nutritious as the PE culture you're working from wants it to be.
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Srirachi]
#26849550 - 07/28/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been using a LCs from clones to inoculate. I was also thinking nutrients may be playing a role, because I would have expected more consistency based on what I'm using to inoculate. Wondering how I can boost the nutrition of substrate used, as well.
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Lady_Sage]
#26849602 - 07/28/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm going to shut up now, because I obviously am not reading your posts 
You said LC too. Sorry.
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Srirachi]
#26849716 - 07/28/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How much spawn and coir/verm do u use in a tub? And what size tub?
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: SFS96]
#26850428 - 07/28/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Srirachi said:
I'm going to shut up now, because I obviously am not reading your posts 
You said LC too. Sorry.
🤣🤣 ...all good...
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SFS96 said: How much spawn and coir/verm do u use in a tub? And what size tub?
I've been doing a 3:1 ratio (Did I write those in the right order? If not, hopefully you know what I mean.) The current PE tub is smaller, apx 10x16", with a 3" substrate depth. The Amazon that's colonizing is 2:1, in a larger tub, with 4" depth.
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Lady_Sage]
#26850747 - 07/28/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How thick did you case it? It’s tough to say.. I’d say you’ll know more when the amazons do their thing... if they don’t do as expected like the PE, you’ll know it’s something with the tub set up (even though it looks like it set up correctly).
I’ve always had PE do well on cakes too

But they were definitely a bit more finicky transitioning to monos
Definitely curious about the casing depth though
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Lady_Sage]
#26850971 - 07/29/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lady_Sage said:
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Srirachi said:
I'm going to shut up now, because I obviously am not reading your posts 
You said LC too. Sorry.
🤣🤣 ...all good...
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SFS96 said: How much spawn and coir/verm do u use in a tub? And what size tub?
I've been doing a 3:1 ratio (Did I write those in the right order? If not, hopefully you know what I mean.) The current PE tub is smaller, apx 10x16", with a 3" substrate depth. The Amazon that's colonizing is 2:1, in a larger tub, with 4" depth.
Most people label it spawn:substrate ratio but I’m not sure if it matters lol from the looks of it your using a 12qt tub (boot box) for your PE grow and you probably should have used more spawn. I normally use 2 qts of spawn and 4 quarts of substrate for a tub that size. It probably would have flushed quite a bit better with more spawn.
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: SFS96]
#26851193 - 07/29/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok. For the PE, I used 1/4" coir casing. There is more spawn in the Amazon tub, so we'll see how it goes! (I was limited by # of jars and my PC for the PE tub, but fixed that, lol...)
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: Lady_Sage]
#26851286 - 07/29/20 07:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The 1/4” coir casing might be the reason.. for most that tub would blob out, but looks like you got lucky.. fares well for that culture actually. I bet if you added a true casing of 50/50+ peat/verm (Or just use jiffy seed starter mix—which is basically the same thing that’s already adjust ph... personally I’d pasteurize but some use right out of the bag), you’ll get better results
Check this thread by Tedsdead out https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26528774#26528774
Nice and thick works well.. 1”-1.25”
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Re: Cakes better than monotub. . .why? [Re: fahtster]
#26853031 - 07/30/20 06:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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fahtster said: The 1/4” coir casing might be the reason.. for most that tub would blob out, but looks like you got lucky.. fares well for that culture actually. I bet if you added a true casing of 50/50+ peat/verm (Or just use jiffy seed starter mix—which is basically the same thing that’s already adjust ph... personally I’d pasteurize but some use right out of the bag), you’ll get better results
Check this thread by Tedsdead out https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26528774#26528774
Nice and thick works well.. 1”-1.25”
Faht
ok! Will give that a try next time- thanks!
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