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Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone?
    #26849071 - 07/28/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hi. I have some 2.5 year old 10x extract of Syrian Rue lying around. Iv heard that the extracts often have dubious quality. I haven't used any of it before.
To not waste the little Mimosa bark i have left, I wanted to test out the Syrian Rue extract alone.
I've tried 0.4g and 0.6 grams and I don't think I'm noticing any effects of it alone. I thought there would be an effect on my cognition. Or is it common that Syrian Rue when taken alone doesn't create any effect?


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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: arganor]
    #26849296 - 07/28/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It definitely does have it's own effects. IME common are relaxation, numbness, slight tingling. People report strong nausea and puking when overdone. Tracers.

Be careful, it's a powerful plant. Especially when combined with mushrooms, cannabis, DMT.

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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: arganor]
    #26849320 - 07/28/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the reply.
I'm not sure that I noticed anything with even 0.6g 10x = 6gram rue... And I probably only have enough Mimosa bark for one trip.

So maybe I should up it to 0.9 10x = 9g of rue, and just gamble that it will work.


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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: arganor]
    #26849842 - 07/28/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How much mimosa bark do you have? 8 to 10 grams should be plenty, some people are happy with as little as 4g.

But it's the harmala dose that must fit, this is most important.

Take the harmalas 30 to 45 minutes beore dosing the mimosa (as tea!?).

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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26849948 - 07/28/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh man my first brew had 15g of bark. I only used 25g of caapi vine though.  It was weak that first time. But it did give me a solid glimpse behind the curtain.


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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26850118 - 07/28/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think the caapi dose was too low. Caapi is a lot more variable in potency than syrian rue. Syrian rue is pretty consistent.

With caapi some people need more than 50g of vine to get full mao inhibition. It all depends on the potency of the sticks.
With rue, 4g is all you need.

The best you can get is isolated harmalas, like harmaline or harmine or a mix of both, as HCl or freebase.
Some online vendors, as well as some of the shroomery vendors, sell this pure stuff for like 15 to 20 bucks per gram. It's legal in most places.

200mg of these pure harmalas is enough to activate dmt. Take them half an hour before dosing the dmt.

Check the link in my signature.
When you have rue seeds (a kilo is no more than 50 bucks) it's pretty easy to extract the pure stuff by yourself. Much cheaper than buying online. :smirk:

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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: arganor]
    #26850356 - 07/28/20 05:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have 10g of mimosa bark left. Gonna make a lemon brew.

I'm just worried that the Rue I have is no good. Its an 10x extract, not seeds. I've heard some bad stuff about the extracts.
I don't think i noticed anything taking 0.6 = 6g of it straight, not in a tea. Or maybe slight head fog, but I have so much brain-fog on a daily basis anyway, its hard to tell if it was anything...

Can you isolate the harmalas using Rue extract? Or do you need seeds. Will I in the final result be able to see some product that will confirm that I have gotten the isolated alkaloids?


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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: arganor]
    #26850369 - 07/28/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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arganor said:
I have 10g of mimosa bark left. Gonna make a lemon brew.

I'm just worried that the Rue I have is no good. Its an 10x extract, not seeds. I've heard some bad stuff about the extracts.
I don't think i noticed anything taking 0.6 = 6g of it straight, not in a tea. Or maybe slight head fog, but I have so much brain-fog on a daily basis anyway, its hard to tell if it was anything...

Can you isolate the harmalas using Rue extract? Or do you need seeds. Will I in the final result be able to see some product that will confirm that I have gotten the isolated alkaloids?




Yeah 10x extracts seem to be hit or miss for most people, i'm not sure of the process of how Rue seed is made into a 10x extract, it could be that the powdered seed is soaked in alcohol and the alcohol is evaporated onto some other Rue seed, idk. When it comes to 10x extract, i would just try taking 3 to 4 grams of it on it's own and see what it does, if it was truly 10x then 6 grams equivalent should be overwhelmingly felt, since 4 grams of Rue seed is already overwhelming.

Technically one should be able to make a full spectrum or pure Harmala extract from 10x extract if the extract is good, should just be able to brew up the 10x extract, filter out the sediment/particles and base the brew with washing soda water and then filter out the freebased extract, dry it out, and use that.


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Re: Syrian rue / peganum harmala - does it have effect taken alone? [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26854269 - 07/30/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You can buy an ounce of ground Syrian Rue on ebay for seriously $5 shipped. I just grind that up in a $15 coffee grinder and put it in 00 pills. The extracts I read are all over the place but Ive never tried it, while the raw material is on point.

2-3 grams of that is the recommended dose (I read). Alone yeah it does make you feel slightly weird. Ive never taken any more than 2g alone.


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