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Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term?
#26849317 - 07/28/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi guys. The question is straight in the title. Is it viable to store mushroom tea in the freezer without lemon and not losing potency? I personally don't like the trip with lemon, I prefer it way more just by itself, I feel much better without it, but all this time I've been following PrimalSoup Tek because he claims that lemon helps locking psilocybin conversion and because of that the potency remains intact indefinitely (correct me if I uderstood wrong). I consume very little, maybe once every two or three months, at very little doses, so it would be perfect for me keep storing it in the freezer, but I am afraid to harvest a whole flush and waste it just because I didn't add lemon. Thanks!
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk] 1
#26849696 - 07/28/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It should be fine in the freezer even without lemon
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: SFS96]
#26849738 - 07/28/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't see why not. Just keep it frozen solid the entire time.
BTW I'm using citric acid not lemon juice, though they are about the same thing the powdered citric acid is more consistent, cheaper and keeps forever. It does give that acidic taste though. 
Also I don't claim the citric acid converts psilocybin, what it does is extract psilocin better than plain water. Just to be clear.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26849768 - 07/28/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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How much citric acid do you use? Seems like a good idea, vs. carrying a lemon that is prone to spoil when on long trips in the mountains.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26849770 - 07/28/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for both of your responses!
Hi Primal! It was a vague synthesis from what I recall, thanks for correcting me! I will try without lemon then, or maybe with juuust a few lemon drops to help it just a little to help it extract better
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26849785 - 07/28/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey gabbk, im curious as to how lemon effects your trips. Is it the shortened length that you don't prefer or is there is a difference in the trip itself?
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
#26849826 - 07/28/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's just I always feel like a very intense anxiety rush at the 20 min mark when I add lemon, which I don't like at all. It feels VERY similarly like a beginning of a panic attack (the ''feeling of death''), which is horrendous, and already 3 in my life (without even using any substance). I still don't know very well how to manage and cut by the moment those very particular emotions that roll worse minute by minute to that feeling of desperation because you can predict it will end badly as the first time. I have experience meditating, but recently now I think im barely grasping an idea of how recognizing it and executing the proper breathing techniques that can aliviate/dissipate it pretty fastly. I need a lot of more practice though. Either way I've noticed that consuming it by itself I don't feel that anxiety rush in that intensity (and that's why I consume very little doses; I've never passed through 1.5g dry with lemon, nor 1.5g without). But without the lemon definitely I feel it way smoother, calmer, a lot more manageable so to speak
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26849849 - 07/28/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see, that totally makes sense. I just recently started experimenting with lemon and ginger in tea and have noticed a more lifting feeling and slightly more energy from the lemon. I get a more "standing on the edge of a cliff" feeling. I've always had come up anxiety in my trips so now I have to remind myself that it's only the first hour. Haven't experienced super high doses but I imagine reminding myself of anything would not translate into mushroom thought
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
#26849893 - 07/28/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ancient Mariner said: How much citric acid do you use? Seems like a good idea, vs. carrying a lemon that is prone to spoil when on long trips in the mountains.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12494141#12494141
It's 2% by fresh weight.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26850244 - 07/28/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Right on. I'll be backpacking super light now. Thanks for the info
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26852926 - 07/30/20 02:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ancient Mariner said: I see, that totally makes sense. I just recently started experimenting with lemon and ginger in tea and have noticed a more lifting feeling and slightly more energy from the lemon. I get a more "standing on the edge of a cliff" feeling. I've always had come up anxiety in my trips so now I have to remind myself that it's only the first hour. Haven't experienced super high doses but I imagine reminding myself of anything would not translate into mushroom thought
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gabbk said: It's just I always feel like a very intense anxiety rush at the 20 min mark when I add lemon, which I don't like at all. It feels VERY similarly like a beginning of a panic attack (the ''feeling of death''), which is horrendous, and already 3 in my life (without even using any substance). I still don't know very well how to manage and cut by the moment those very particular emotions that roll worse minute by minute to that feeling of desperation because you can predict it will end badly as the first time. I have experience meditating, but recently now I think im barely grasping an idea of how recognizing it and executing the proper breathing techniques that can aliviate/dissipate it pretty fastly. I need a lot of more practice though. Either way I've noticed that consuming it by itself I don't feel that anxiety rush in that intensity (and that's why I consume very little doses; I've never passed through 1.5g dry with lemon, nor 1.5g without). But without the lemon definitely I feel it way smoother, calmer, a lot more manageable so to speak
This!! I found the comeup from tea to be overwhelming at times, but have been doing larger doses. I've always used lemon in the tea prep. I actually quit doing tea because of this and went back to eating the fruits. I will have to try again minus the lemon.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Samiam76]
#26853240 - 07/30/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I highly recommend ginger for taste and nausea if you haven't tried it. I just throw a few slices in the water and bring to a boil. I'm gonna try caapi vine next time. I just love the smell of it brewing and would probably extend the mushroom trip.
edit: did some more research into caapi x mush combo and I highly recommend anyone reading this to be super careful and look into potentiation factors and such if they're thinking of going for it
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
#26853250 - 07/30/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you a lot for the advice! I will definitely add ginger
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26853444 - 07/30/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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In case there was any confusion, the reason for the speedy comeup on tea with acid from fresh fruits (mostly) is the greater proportion of psilocin over psilocybin you get from the extraction, and secondarily the better bio-availability of the actives (SFAIK). Tea without added acid wastes that psilocin, and psilocybin takes longer to become active (psilocin) because it has to be dephosphorylzed via the liver to reach the bloodstream and then the brain. Psilocybin doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier.
This is really obvious if you study the onset times between different species (with different ratios) consumed different ways.
Myself I far prefer the speedy comeup and the quick engagement of the trip. But you could always just take less of the acidic tea if you'd rather, since it hits harder and faster, and generally shorter as well. But full on acidic tea trips for me last 5-6 hours before switching off, so YMMV.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26854624 - 07/30/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: In case there was any confusion, the reason for the speedy comeup on tea with acid from fresh fruits (mostly) is the greater proportion of psilocin over psilocybin you get from the extraction, and secondarily the better bio-availability of the actives (SFAIK).
This make sense, we were doing our teas with fresh fruits, fresh ginger and fresh lemon. All we have now is dried, I will have to try it again with the dry or just skip the lemon, which seems like a waste. Man the anxiety last time on the comeup was just overwhelming
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26854631 - 07/30/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Interesting. So is the speedy come-up from the greater psilocin and bio-availability mean both a quicker onset as well as a shorter come-up? It seems that it should but at the same time, my experiences have always been where the plateau arrives when I mentally digest the content wonder of the trip. I know that sounds ridiculous and the mental factor probably correlates precisely with the chemical factor but it's got me thinking.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
#26855562 - 07/31/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tripped yesterday for the first time in quite a while and the tea could be felt within 5 minutes. Within half an hour I was solid into it without any feeling of transition at all. But then I've done this many times before and it's all quite familar.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26856822 - 08/01/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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if you freeze it, it will probably last for quite a while. all i know is that tea WITH lemon lasts no longer than 1 week in the fridge...
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
#26857135 - 08/01/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've consumed frozen tea (with citric acid) that had been stored frozen as long as 3 years with no change in potency. Probably long enough.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
#26857249 - 08/01/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ancient Mariner said: I highly recommend ginger for taste and nausea if you haven't tried it. I just throw a few slices in the water and bring to a boil.
Ancient, yesterday ate 1.8gr of dry shrooms with ginger/honey/cinnamon tea and it was FANTASTIC! Really really awesome, zero nausea as you suggested. One of my best trips really.
I felt really really comfortable so next time I might try again that same recipe but this time adding lemon and experiment again slowly.
By the way, how much lemon do you guys use when preparing lemon tea? Do you have any recipe in particular?
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PrimalSoup said: I've consumed frozen tea (with citric acid) that had been stored frozen as long as 3 years with no change in potency. Probably long enough. 
I assume that freezing it with lemon would be as useful for long term storage (3+years), right? Or it would be better to buy citric acid for this particular reason? Have you tried tea with lemon that old?
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26857273 - 08/01/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably. I would never typically keep it that long, these were some leftovers IIRC.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26857377 - 08/01/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Glad it worked out for ya.
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By the way, how much lemon do you guys use when preparing lemon tea? Do you have any recipe in particular?
I've only used whole lemons because I wasn't near a fridge to store the rest and didn't wanna waste it. But I think half a medium sized lemon would be just fine.
The recipe that worked best for me was this: I rip up cracker dry shrooms into little pieces (I've tried coffee grinders to powderize but some of it turns to dust and gets lost in the atmosphere. Plus then I gotta clean the grinder). I put shrooms in center of coffee filters, about a gram fits well in each filter and wrap it up and twist into ball and tie with bakers twine (Better if you have those cloth reusable tea bags). Then I place it into lemon juice to soak for 10-15 min. I put 3 slices fresh ginger in ~12oz water. Bring to boil. Let cool 3 min (not sure if this is necessary, I don't think so). Pour hot ginger water over tea bag and lemon juice. Get rid of those ginger pieces with a metal strainer of sorts. Steep for an hour, squeezing the tea bag with a spoon every 20 min. Swing the tea bag and chuck as far as you can (hopefully you use biodegradable filters).
I know that's super methodical but I like to experiment. A 15 min steep works but the time I drove an hour with the tea steeping, to see the ancient bristlecone pines, I had the most powerful one gram dose experience I've ever had.
Tonight, I will try a little honey, cinnamon, and caapi leaf.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: Ancient Mariner]
#26857506 - 08/01/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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crumble, chop or grind the shrooms
let them soak in the juice of a medium sized lemon for 15 minutes, stir a bit
(optionally add peppermint or ginger at this point)
pour boiling water over the mixture (you can wait until the bubbles have settled), stir firmly
cover the cup or wherever it's inside with a plate
strain well after 15 minutes
(optionally brew the strained stuff again with boiling water. strain again...)
you can add honey afterwards.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26858103 - 08/02/20 01:54 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It’s very difficult to measure how much lemon juice you need; it all depends on the concentration of citric acid in that particular lemon. I googled so many things without coming up with a definitive answer for how much citric acid is there in a lemon....
So I now use citric acid at a ratio of 1 part citric acid to 50 parts fresh mushrooms by weight. People have tried a ratio of 1:40 but with no seeming extra benefit, so 1:50 seems the most common ratio used. Get it right, it can double the strength of a dose.
My last tea I made from 650g fresh cubensis with 13g citric acid. It gave me 35 ice cubes at a relative strength of 1.8g each. It tastes so much more “lemony” than real lemon juice though!! Pretty yuck, but 50-60ml of tea is done in under a second so man up people 
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26858346 - 08/02/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, of course.. if you use more shrooms, you want more lemon. i use about 1 medium sized lemon for 2 grams of shrooms
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
#26859757 - 08/02/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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For those of you who freeze their tea in ice cubes for storage, do they thaw out as a homogenous liquid, or do you get any separation?
I used PrimalSoup's tea recipe with citric acid from about 290 grams of fresh mushrooms. I made into 14 ice cubes, so about 2 g dry each.
I used a nut milk bag to squeeze the liquid out, and tried a little bit (maybe 1 grams worth) the night I brewed it and it was quite nice. But I thawed out 2.5 cubes worth yesterday and the liquid was weirdly separated, like into the water part and then little spongy mats of musbroom material. I mixed it with some orange juice and gulped it. At 5 grams worth I thought I would have a decent trip but it didn't feel much stronger than the small amount I tried when I first brewed.
It's possible I didn't squeeze enough out and the ice cubes are weaker than I think. But wondering if you've seen that weird consistency when you thaw the cubes, or if I did something wrong somehow.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: the strander]
#26859824 - 08/02/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There's always that separation after thawing. I just shake it up well before dividing up.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: the strander]
#26859909 - 08/03/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I had that the first time I tried my ice cubes, and the trip was,well, really weird yet really underwhelming. It felt like two distinct trips, each caused by the separated liquids!
What I do now is not to let the ice cubes thaw out on their own; ice cubes in the pan, pour on boiling water and bring back to boil, stirring all the while. Once thawed and mixed, allow to cool.
Also make sure the ice cube (trays) are in sealed bags, to slow absorption of chemicals into the air in the freezer!! ........ Really.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26859919 - 08/03/20 12:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I store tea without lemon or any type of acid mixed in, just straight tap water and fungi seems to store just fine in the freezer for long periods
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Also make sure the ice cube (trays) are in sealed bags, to slow absorption of chemicals into the air in the freezer!! ........ Really.
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If the ice cubes arnt sealed I could see them oxidizing quicker but I cant see the psilocybin/psilocin turning into a gas in the freezer, I highly highly highly doubt any normal household freezer gets cold enough or pressurized enough to sublimate psilocybin 
The oxygen in the air can totally oxidize the psilocybin potentially and make the tea lose potency though but the psilocybin is in the tea still just the broken down oxidized form
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
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I don’t have any scientific evidence to back that up, apart from posts on here saying the same, and my first attempt I threw all the ice cubes in the bin. Really weak after only 4 weeks in freezer, yet I knew the batch was strong, having eaten fresh.
I bought some large zip baggies;,I simply place two ice cube trays in and seal before freezing. Do not know whether they are safe once frozen. Maybe somebody could comment?
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
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Interesting. I have the ice cubes in a ziploc, not still in trays.
I'll try warming them up next time and mix well (my attempts at mixing the ones thawed at room temp didn't really work). Will try again in two weeks or so and see whether I have any different experience.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
#26860521 - 08/03/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’d love to try that but can’t get hold,of any alcohol that strength. So I tried using 40% vodka for 6 weeks.
And that’s the key, 6 weeks. And a lot of hassle reducing down to a measurable quantity (like 1cc = 1g type thing).
Using citric acid and fresh mushrooms to make a tea nd freeze is sorted in about 30 minutes, entire fresh harvest and preserving the chemicals just as readily 
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26860948 - 08/03/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..
can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
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epilectric said: yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..
can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...
Oh dude, seriously, I have never thought of that. Guess what I’ll be trying soon? Haha.
I’ve always been considered in the higher bracket, intelligence-wise. But as my family have always said, I have no common sense!
Take care dude DJ Ed
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26861273 - 08/03/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Only Iso, for Ethanol here the source is liquor stores, and I think Everclear is no longer avail. 151 Rum would probably do the trick though.
Still, can't beat citric acid tea, gets a kg of harvest weight down to half a liter of tea in the freezer. 
Plus, it gets all of the psilocybin AND the psilocin in one go, which can't be emphasized enough.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26861309 - 08/03/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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DJ Ed said: I don’t have any scientific evidence to back that up, apart from posts on here saying the same, and my first attempt I threw all the ice cubes in the bin. Really weak after only 4 weeks in freezer, yet I knew the batch was strong, having eaten fresh.
I bought some large zip baggies;,I simply place two ice cube trays in and seal before freezing. Do not know whether they are safe once frozen. Maybe somebody could comment?
Cheers DJ Ed
Oh man I definitely agree they could lose potency if not stored in an airtight bag or something
It was the way you worded it made it sound like the psilocybin was evaporating off and that's why they lost potency while I was saying the air oxidized the psilocybin in the ice cube and that's why they lost potency
either way they lost potency
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26861339 - 08/03/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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epilectric said: yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..
can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...
Oh dude, seriously, I have never thought of that. Guess what I’ll be trying soon? Haha.
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ahahah great, same here
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: epilectric]
#26861394 - 08/03/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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epilectric said:
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epilectric said: yea i also rather stick to the lemon/tea method..
can't you get pure alcohol in small quantites at the pharmacy though? for disinfection and stuff...
Oh dude, seriously, I have never thought of that. Guess what I’ll be trying soon? Haha.
I’ve always been considered in the higher bracket, intelligence-wise. But as my family have always said, I have no common sense!
Take care dude DJ Ed
ahahah great, same here 
I could be wrong cause different areas have different things and stuff but all the pharmacy's around here that sell alcohol for disinfectant and stuff only sell ISO which isnt drinking alcohol and can make you really sick to drink
To get pure alcohol you have to order from a chem supply store usually since ethanol is extremely hydroscopic as soon as the bottle is exposed to air it absorbs some water dropping it down to 95% (same percentage as everclear)
Isopropyl is different from ethyl alcohol and the stuff for cleaning wounds an such is iso (atleast around here)
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26861492 - 08/03/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't find high percentage of iso where I'm at but I was super happy when my folks ordered some grain alcohol (everclear). They got their sanitizer and I got my solution for making changa
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26861530 - 08/03/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I could be wrong cause different areas have different things and stuff but all the pharmacy's around here that sell alcohol for disinfectant and stuff only sell ISO which isnt drinking alcohol and can make you really sick to drink
To get pure alcohol you have to order from a chem supply store usually since ethanol is extremely hydroscopic as soon as the bottle is exposed to air it absorbs some water dropping it down to 95% (same percentage as everclear)
Isopropyl is different from ethyl alcohol and the stuff for cleaning wounds an such is iso (atleast around here)
He is right about isopropyl alcohol not being ingestible. You can just Google it and immediately says it's toxic.
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Oh man I definitely agree they could lose potency if not stored in an airtight bag or something
It was the way you worded it made it sound like the psilocybin was evaporating off and that's why they lost potency while I was saying the air oxidized the psilocybin in the ice cube and that's why they lost potency
either way they lost potency
By the way, I'm not trying to get off topic but this is getting me mad. When I try to pull of the air of a Ziploc bag with a straw it seems to be airtight but in just a few hours it comes back as if I did nothing. I tried to do it also with double bag, and pulling the air of each one too almost until I pass out lol but same thing. How do you guys get he air from a bag and make it stay that way indefinitely?
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26861550 - 08/03/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just use a ziplock bag and roll it to squish the air out then seal it closed and call it good now that's for storing mushroom ice cube
I keep my frozen tea in water bottles and just screw the lid on tight
Dry mushies go in jars
Atleast that's how I do it
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26861568 - 08/03/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh yes I forgot to mention that sucking the air out would be for dried mushrooms. Bought a few big 3 liter jars last week but I'm running them out now. So it would be a good idea to Ziploc the rest, but it's getting imposible!! The air is getting in and softening the mushrooms
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26861582 - 08/03/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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My understanding is that pretty much any extraction is going to be less stable than dry mushrooms, no matter the temperature. (I've heard a methanol evaporation extraction mixed with honey is supposed to be somewhat stable, but never tried it myself.)
I'm sure frozen tea is able to hold on to a fair bit of active psilocybin, but you'll still probably get some loss in potency over time. As for how this would compare to the loss in potency from the drying process, I've got no clue, but I'd say that if you already have your mushrooms dried you're probably better off just leaving them dried and chucking em in the freezer.
If you made tea and have extra though, yeah sure freeze that shit. Certainly can't be any worse than pouring it down the drain.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26861584 - 08/03/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plus, it gets all of the psilocybin AND the psilocin in one go, which can't be emphasized enough. 
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: turbulentflow]
#26861608 - 08/03/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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turbulentflow said: My understanding is that pretty much any extraction is going to be less stable than dry mushrooms, no matter the temperature. (I've heard a methanol evaporation extraction mixed with honey is supposed to be somewhat stable, but never tried it myself.)
I'm sure frozen tea is able to hold on to a fair bit of active psilocybin, but you'll still probably get some loss in potency over time. As for how this would compare to the loss in potency from the drying process, I've got no clue, but I'd say that if you already have your mushrooms dried you're probably better off just leaving them dried and chucking em in the freezer.
If you made tea and have extra though, yeah sure freeze that shit. Certainly can't be any worse than pouring it down the drain.
I've downed frozen tea stored as long as 3 years with no discernible change in potency. Probably good for the long haul if that's your thing...
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26861630 - 08/03/20 08:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah my hunch is that the primary loss in potency would be during the actual crystallization process, and then once it was frozen it would be relatively stable over time.
I'm basing that on literally nothing other than my intuition though.
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: gabbk]
#26861665 - 08/03/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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gabbk said: Oh yes I forgot to mention that sucking the air out would be for dried mushrooms. Bought a few big 3 liter jars last week but I'm running them out now. So it would be a good idea to Ziploc the rest, but it's getting imposible!! The air is getting in and softening the mushrooms
Dry your mushrooms for a tad bit longer to be safe, double bag and consider some desiccant packs until you can get more jars
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26861680 - 08/03/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dry your mushrooms for a tad bit longer to be safe, double bag and consider some desiccant packs until you can get more jars
Will definitely go that route then! Thanks!
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Re: Is it possible to store tea without lemon for long term? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26862215 - 08/04/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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DnDRnD said: I could be wrong cause different areas have different things and stuff but all the pharmacy's around here that sell alcohol for disinfectant and stuff only sell ISO which isnt drinking alcohol and can make you really sick to drink
To get pure alcohol you have to order from a chem supply store usually since ethanol is extremely hydroscopic as soon as the bottle is exposed to air it absorbs some water dropping it down to 95% (same percentage as everclear)
Isopropyl is different from ethyl alcohol and the stuff for cleaning wounds an such is iso (atleast around here)
oh yeah, you're probably right... 🤔
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