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Vylie
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The right time to harvest
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The Blind Ass
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26848794 - 07/27/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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We’re ready.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26849215 - 07/28/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Depending on your 'worldview' you might sacrifice everything for the benefit of your team or you might cultivate variety as a means of further avenues of distraction. Aliens prefer the latter because they do not have the human ego impulse.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26849252 - 07/28/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Vylie said: Genesis 9:7
"And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; swarm in the earth, and multiply therein."
Why would God say that?
Why would God need people in the first place?
The God people who read the Bible believe in doesn’t need people. Okay, but why not create a few people for fun?
A hundred would be enough. Well, two people would be enough. (Or two too many). But let's say there is a hundred. You can still remember almost everyone’s name, most of the time.
Eight billion makes little sense. At least, it does in the God-human relationship context.
Is there a context where it makes more? Let me think. What do I say when I grew mushrooms? I tell them, "Multiply, populate the substrate, be fruitful!"
Sounds familiar? Why do I say it?
Oh yeah. I say it because I want to eat them.
In God's cultivation of variety should I be surprised at reruns of David vs. a brood of vipers because God is not human and people are selfish?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26849271 - 07/28/20 05:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know the point of having the Hadron Collider if the origins of the Universe are evidenced daily.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26849275 - 07/28/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Would the host ever have the intelligence to realise? Would the controller ever let the host know?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: pineninja]
#26849285 - 07/28/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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the mantids don't know any better than us
harvest this!
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pineninja
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Whos scoring?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie] 1
#26849593 - 07/28/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I were a technologically advanced alien I would have no need for harvesting humanity.
I don't believe in God so I perceive such ideas as being of the writer. People want to thrive. More seems better.
As far as I know photons always travel at the speed of light. An expanding universe doesn't violate the conservation of energy, nor do stars move away from an observer at the speed of light even though the universe is apparently expanding faster than the speed of light. Think about drawing two dots close together almost touching on a rubber band. You stretch the band a foot (expansion at X rate of speed). The dots barely moved and did not travel at X rate of speed. No part of the rubber band moved a foot relative to it's neighbors. One may suggest that a single dot on one end of the band did move a foot, but that's only in the context of a medium. The universe may not exist in a medium. It is the medium.
I don't think anyone understands how life actually starts so it's premature to suggest it's against the laws of chemistry.
Language can evolve and devolve.
Buddhism describes the self as an idea. It is just an idea, in the same way the thought of a broom is not a broom. There are actually brooms to be found, but no selves. We seem to exist, but not in the way we think we exist. Form is real but transitory. Nothing permanent or eternal except for principles. Desire can never be completely extinguished, but suffering is neither good nor bad. There are course corrections necessary to produce the most harmony.
Those who want to advance AI are looking for novelty.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
#26849871 - 07/28/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rahz said: ....Buddhism describes the self as an idea. It is just an idea, in the same way the thought of a broom is not a broom. There are actually brooms to be found, but no selves. We seem to exist, but not in the way we think we exist. Form is real but transitory. Nothing permanent or eternal except for principles. Desire can never be completely extinguished, but suffering is neither good nor bad. .......
Another analogy might be that the way the star constellations appear to us on earth is purely arbitrary. In other places (planets or galaxies) the sky patterns will seem completely different.
The feeling of being a self is as real as any of our other distorted perceptions. We don't see ultraviolet, when someone walks away from us they aren't really getting smaller, etc. Everything we think is real, is a distortion, - nothing is solid. But buddhism does not take a philosophical position that there is 'no self', that needs to be defended, against other views, rather it speaks of 'non-self', and that; as Rahz says, the problem is that identification arises with the firm conviction that we are, autonomous, unified, separate, and stable. Instead all phenomenon, are said to, occur due to endless, inter-related, causes and conditions, and not due to any separate entities anywhere. A social conventional self that arises in a social context is acknowledged. This is referred to as 'relative truth' in some Buddhist writings.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: laughingdog]
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26849973 - 07/28/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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You misunderstand (or haven’t actually read any suttas on) the doctrine of an annata, annica, & ducca - in lieu of the doctrine of interdependent origination they are meaningless.
For 1) The doctrine of not-self shouldn’t be taken at face value, it’s utilized as teaching for correcting wrong view.
Not no self , but not-self. It’s corrective in a similar way to how lucid dreaming is corrective to the way in which we perceive characters in a dream as existing in and of themselves and independent - which intellectually we know to be false, because they are like hallucinations fabricated by the brain, they are dependent upon the brain. However, In lucid dream we know it to be fabricated/not really real whilst experiencing it - not just after the fact (after waking from said dream). That brain is dependent upon what it is dependent upon and so forth and so on x ad infinity - demonstrating how all things are inextricably linked / cause & effect.
Wrong view is like believing the shadows of an elephant on the wall cast in part by the fire’s light off an object - to be real. While, right view is like knowing & seeing how the circumstantiality of the situation (and the aggregates composing phenom) give rise to the perception of it as something it is not.
Doctrine of not-self is also like a counter balance weight for our propensity to believe the opposite is true. Where as one sees hair as theirs - when it falls out and decomposes and it’s building blocks gets reabsorbed into our surrounding environments - do we go chasing each aggregate because it’s ours? No. And you don’t see people wanting their excrement back because it came from the body do you? A similar notion can be applied to mental phenomena.
It’s a skillful way & means of developing an appropriate view about the nature of phenomena - in such a way so as to release us from a fictive world premised on ignorance & delusion - which due to being premised on those things, causes unruly suffering. There’s my poor attempt to explain some of it.
And Intellectually knowing is one thing, experientially knowing is another.
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they are as garbled to us as dependent origination. In our culture we want some good facts and modelling that can be performed by a computer. We are getting both more fussy and more stupid. this is a great time to harvest.
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The Blind Ass
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My body is ready for the great harvest
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aftQuote:
The Blind Ass said: My body is ready for the great harvest
after all that baloney about self, including stealing from Plato
you now have a body!?!?
wonderful
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