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The right time to harvest
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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We’re ready.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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Depending on your 'worldview' you might sacrifice everything for the benefit of your team or you might cultivate variety as a means of further avenues of distraction. Aliens prefer the latter because they do not have the human ego impulse.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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Vylie said: Genesis 9:7
"And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; swarm in the earth, and multiply therein."
Why would God say that?
Why would God need people in the first place?
The God people who read the Bible believe in doesn’t need people. Okay, but why not create a few people for fun?
A hundred would be enough. Well, two people would be enough. (Or two too many). But let's say there is a hundred. You can still remember almost everyone’s name, most of the time.
Eight billion makes little sense. At least, it does in the God-human relationship context.
Is there a context where it makes more? Let me think. What do I say when I grew mushrooms? I tell them, "Multiply, populate the substrate, be fruitful!"
Sounds familiar? Why do I say it?
Oh yeah. I say it because I want to eat them.
In God's cultivation of variety should I be surprised at reruns of David vs. a brood of vipers because God is not human and people are selfish?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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I don't know the point of having the Hadron Collider if the origins of the Universe are evidenced daily.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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Would the host ever have the intelligence to realise? Would the controller ever let the host know?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: pineninja]
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the mantids don't know any better than us
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If I were a technologically advanced alien I would have no need for harvesting humanity.
I don't believe in God so I perceive such ideas as being of the writer. People want to thrive. More seems better.
As far as I know photons always travel at the speed of light. An expanding universe doesn't violate the conservation of energy, nor do stars move away from an observer at the speed of light even though the universe is apparently expanding faster than the speed of light. Think about drawing two dots close together almost touching on a rubber band. You stretch the band a foot (expansion at X rate of speed). The dots barely moved and did not travel at X rate of speed. No part of the rubber band moved a foot relative to it's neighbors. One may suggest that a single dot on one end of the band did move a foot, but that's only in the context of a medium. The universe may not exist in a medium. It is the medium.
I don't think anyone understands how life actually starts so it's premature to suggest it's against the laws of chemistry.
Language can evolve and devolve.
Buddhism describes the self as an idea. It is just an idea, in the same way the thought of a broom is not a broom. There are actually brooms to be found, but no selves. We seem to exist, but not in the way we think we exist. Form is real but transitory. Nothing permanent or eternal except for principles. Desire can never be completely extinguished, but suffering is neither good nor bad. There are course corrections necessary to produce the most harmony.
Those who want to advance AI are looking for novelty.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
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Rahz said: ....Buddhism describes the self as an idea. It is just an idea, in the same way the thought of a broom is not a broom. There are actually brooms to be found, but no selves. We seem to exist, but not in the way we think we exist. Form is real but transitory. Nothing permanent or eternal except for principles. Desire can never be completely extinguished, but suffering is neither good nor bad. .......
Another analogy might be that the way the star constellations appear to us on earth is purely arbitrary. In other places (planets or galaxies) the sky patterns will seem completely different.
The feeling of being a self is as real as any of our other distorted perceptions. We don't see ultraviolet, when someone walks away from us they aren't really getting smaller, etc. Everything we think is real, is a distortion, - nothing is solid. But buddhism does not take a philosophical position that there is 'no self', that needs to be defended, against other views, rather it speaks of 'non-self', and that; as Rahz says, the problem is that identification arises with the firm conviction that we are, autonomous, unified, separate, and stable. Instead all phenomenon, are said to, occur due to endless, inter-related, causes and conditions, and not due to any separate entities anywhere. A social conventional self that arises in a social context is acknowledged. This is referred to as 'relative truth' in some Buddhist writings.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: laughingdog]
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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You misunderstand (or haven’t actually read any suttas on) the doctrine of an annata, annica, & ducca - in lieu of the doctrine of interdependent origination they are meaningless.
For 1) The doctrine of not-self shouldn’t be taken at face value, it’s utilized as teaching for correcting wrong view.
Not no self , but not-self. It’s corrective in a similar way to how lucid dreaming is corrective to the way in which we perceive characters in a dream as existing in and of themselves and independent - which intellectually we know to be false, because they are like hallucinations fabricated by the brain, they are dependent upon the brain. However, In lucid dream we know it to be fabricated/not really real whilst experiencing it - not just after the fact (after waking from said dream). That brain is dependent upon what it is dependent upon and so forth and so on x ad infinity - demonstrating how all things are inextricably linked / cause & effect.
Wrong view is like believing the shadows of an elephant on the wall cast in part by the fire’s light off an object - to be real. While, right view is like knowing & seeing how the circumstantiality of the situation (and the aggregates composing phenom) give rise to the perception of it as something it is not.
Doctrine of not-self is also like a counter balance weight for our propensity to believe the opposite is true. Where as one sees hair as theirs - when it falls out and decomposes and it’s building blocks gets reabsorbed into our surrounding environments - do we go chasing each aggregate because it’s ours? No. And you don’t see people wanting their excrement back because it came from the body do you? A similar notion can be applied to mental phenomena.
It’s a skillful way & means of developing an appropriate view about the nature of phenomena - in such a way so as to release us from a fictive world premised on ignorance & delusion - which due to being premised on those things, causes unruly suffering. There’s my poor attempt to explain some of it.
And Intellectually knowing is one thing, experientially knowing is another.
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they are as garbled to us as dependent origination. In our culture we want some good facts and modelling that can be performed by a computer. We are getting both more fussy and more stupid. this is a great time to harvest.
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The Blind Ass said: My body is ready for the great harvest
after all that baloney about self, including stealing from Plato
you now have a body!?!?
wonderful
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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laughingdog said: When someone walks away from us they aren't really getting smaller, etc.
How do you know that?If, for example, you are living in a simulation ....
Well in your case your brain would get smaller, if it were possible for it to get any smaller.
Supposing its all a simulation changes nothing. If nothing is separate or real, again nothing really shrinks, (same as 'objects' in dreams) and further more if all is one there is no outside reference point from which to make absolute measurements.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: laughingdog]
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I’ve been caught red handed
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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Wait 100,000 more years or so.
Of course, we already have the technology to fight off an alien invasion, so uh... Depending on the type of harvesting we're talking about, I guess it's already too late.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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you are right i should be content with my stupidity and flaunt it then no one will feel threatened
Lets see, 7 out of 10 science fiction movies say its time for us to be harvested, so it must be true.
And John Lilly talked to the aliens, so we need have no doubts.
But who wouldn't mind a little more mental power? Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be for sale.
Some say micro-dosing helps, but who knows? Then again we may get harvested first.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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you took what happened in a psychedelic trip literally?
Why? I hope you don’t also take your dreams literally. If so - It would seem you’ve missed the point and are off to the races. Beware of Fixating on something that is actually nothing - or symbolic for something in your day to day conscious life - at best.
Why would you jump the shark like that?
Maybe I misunderstood the later part of your post - if so just ignore this and I will too.
Anyways, just because perception isn’t always 100% reliable doesn’t mean it isn’t reliable at all - more so than that, we can compensate to correct for misperceptions - that’s the good news. If you believe otherwise you’ve just dug yourself into a solipsistic hell that I can’t say I’m envious of, lol.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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I know the nature of dreams and psychedelic trips - not what the imagery of your dream or hallucinations content represents or means to you specifically . Good luck to you! Beware of delusion.
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Good night. 😘
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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I liked those descriptions for your ISO-885937 project. hahahaha!
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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mental objects include: sensations perceptions extended associative memories progressions language ideas attitudes personality constructs and learned routines, etc.
you can call all of it IDEAS.
buddhism - in abhidhamma, refers to all of them as mental objects, and , regardless of the extent of each (i.e. how many brain cells are actuvated during the mental object's brief presence in the mind/brain) they are all equal, made of groups of related neurons firing in a particular complexity that matches the aggregate of sensation and memory involved.
to be more clear, a particular combination of sensations, combine in an experience and will be linked in memory associatively with other memories that correspond very closely. and they will be linked in memory to experiences preceding and following in time.
we can observe --- the mind can observe, the appearance and fading away of mental objects. One linked to the next and the next and the next.
what is called the ego, what we become defensive about, is not a single thing but many things (ideas), each of which we associate with some defensive habits (ideas). However if you wish you could say that the ego is all of your defenses.
but that is a do thing not a what thing.
there is no single area of the brain that houses the what of defensive behavior, if there were then you could say the ego is here. many crackpot scientists will rush to the amygdala and declare that this almond shaped mass of neurons is the ego because of all the emotional connectivity. That is a fallacy. emotional connectivity is not the same as defensive behavior. behavior of this type is learned, but it is so common, that we all have at least some ego. some invested automatic defenses. Sometimes it is a life saving thing, so we should not demonize defenses, while we also need relief from the froth that defensiveness makes constraining our life.
letting go after a great series of yoga and meditation sessions - or letting go on mushrooms or whatever may lead to an ego-loss experience with no defensive behavior for a while, and it is truly delicious.
ego is not a distorted perception. it is a distorted sense of self importance, making excuses for defensive habits.
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You could use them as food or you could use their collective consciousness like a computer.
An alien species that could come here would already be producing the most ideal food for themselves. They would also have computers that dwarf humanity. No guarantees but the idea they would need or want to harvest us is the more romantic idea.
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It doesn’t change the fact the special relativity cannot be applied to them. The theory is based on a hypothesis about light. If it cannot be applied to light, then what can it be applied to?
The constant speed of the light is a hypothesis.
Hmm. I though special relativity could be applied to anything that was moving. At any rate, utility is the main purpose of theories. There is also the philosophical side, and while it's subjective science does play a part in shaping the way people think about the world.
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If it expands at the same speed, it violates that law due to the potential energy. It is working against gravity. It should slow down just like you slow down after you jump. If you exceed the escape velocity, you will still slow down.
If it expands at an increasing speed, it also violates that law due to the increasing kinetic energy of the objects.
I would say it appears to violate known laws. There are various candidates to explain this phenomena, or perhaps it's some un thought of reason. More testing and discovery is necessary. Either the laws are wrong or there are unseen effects that can explain within the context of scientific law.
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So, if the parts didn’t move compared to each other, then why is there a redshift?
Objects in the observable universe do move relative to one another, but not at the speed of light. The relationships must be less than the speed of light in order to observe a redshift, but with enough distance the relative movement could exceed the speed of light in which case that light will never reach us. I assume we don't have the full gradient because the universe is only 13.8 billion years old. At the perimeter we should occasionally see new/old stars coming to light.
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Do you have an example of a language getting more complex?
I would compare it to programming languages which are ultimately compiled into machine language. Words and usage seem like things which must evolve through practice even though there is/was a platform which is both more static and more complex.
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It’s interesting but it doesn’t explain why would a Buddhist teach others to Buddhism if there are no selves or "others".
Because the illusion of self causes suffering and the objective of Buddhism is liberation from suffering.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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Vylie said: Hello Rahz, The Blind Ass, laughingdog,
when I was thinking about what you wrote, a question arose.
If the self is an idea or a result of distorted perception in Buddhism, then does Buddhism say or suggest that there is only one consciousness?
I’ve never heard that Buddhism said that but if the self isn’t real then there aren’t many other options.
I think in Buddhism consciousness is considered a formation, but also an impersonal one so it could be fair to say there is only one consciousness, though at risk of a mystical misunderstanding. Maybe more correct to say simply that the only attribute of consciousness is that which it is called.
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It’s interesting but it doesn’t explain why would a Buddhist teach others to Buddhism if there are no selves or "others".
Because the illusion of self causes suffering and the objective of Buddhism is liberation from suffering.
I agree, Vylie , it is contradictory. It is like telling other characters in a dream, that it is all a dream. Except in this case waking up means disappearing. And as everything in a dream is in a sense already oneself (one's own fantasy) simply realizing its a dream should relieve the necessity of taking any action.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
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redgreenvines said: mental objects include: sensations perceptions extended associative memories progressions language ideas attitudes personality constructs and learned routines, etc.
OMG, when I saw your list, for a moment, I thought you were quoting the page I read today afternoon.
"You may experience any of the following:
Sense of transcending time or space Strange plants or plantlike forms The universe of formless vibration Strange machines Alien music Alien languages, understandable or not Intelligent entities in a variety of forms"
They are quite similar, aren’t they?
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redgreenvines said: ego is not a distorted perception. it is a distorted sense of self importance, making excuses for defensive habits.
How could anyone who isn’t me know whether my sense of my importance is distorted?
both are lists - both trying to be general and inclusive of experience element types. (I think mine is simpler, but I am trying to be simple and all inclusive of all events in mind)
to the other matter if you are being defensive, you are probably taking yourself too seriously, egoic-ly, unless you are actually in danger and it would be really bad not to defend.
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Quote: "It’s interesting but it doesn’t explain why would a Buddhist teach others to Buddhism if there are no selves or "others".
Because the illusion of self causes suffering and the objective of Buddhism is liberation from suffering.
Suffering is an illusion. Isn’t it? "
If one over thinks the whole business it is full of contradictions ... yet
. A simple answer (re Suffering) is: if it were an illusion heroin would not be addictive.
. Why teach it? Again a simple answer is: for the same reason people take psychedelics, and for the same reason people share psychedelics.
. No need to over think it. The "peace that passeth understanding', cannot be found thru conceptual thought alone, hence meditation.
. Meditation and its ability to produce altered states, and increase equanimity was well known in India before Buddha and was practiced by yogis, hindus, and sadhus. . Buddha wanted to find permanent relief from stress, for all, and an understanding of how & why it arises and ceases, and what this information tells us about how we should live. . This is why he taught the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path, and didn't just hand out mantras. . The 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path, are pretty straight forward, and can easily be found on the internet by anyone seriously interested in the subject. There is also more commentary on Buddhist teachings (on the internet, all free, both as audio and text files, by experts) than anyone could absorb in a life time, yet some questions can only be answered by trying it out for oneself.
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the Pali canon suttas + (suttras)
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/
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I just linked it in case you ever had have a question about whether the historical buddha said or taught this or that you’d have a reference point should you ever feel inclined to dig in and look, that’s all.
The Pali canon (Tipitaka) The earliest systematic and most complete collection of early Buddhist sacred literature is the Pali Tipitaka (“Three Baskets”; Sanskrit: Tripitaka). Its arrangement reflects the importance that the early followers attached to the monastic life (Pali and Sanskrit: Vinaya), to the discourses of the Buddha (Pali: Sutta), and subsequently to the interest in scholasticism (Pali: Abhidhamma).
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It has nothing to do with what I want to believe or with picking a religion. If you want to know what actually is said - you can read the Tipitaka. Most general google searches are not specifically going to bring up suttas - neither will they likely give a proper understanding. There’s a lot of hear say about Buddhism and the Historical Buddha and related philosophy, teachings, and practices.
It’s not a very good hobby nor is it meant to be a decorative thing for ones life, oh stream-winner.
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https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN38.html
Inform yourself. But it’s one of those things that takes time. Unless you are familiar with dependent co-arising, the four-nutriments, the elements, the 5 skhandas, 4 noble truths, noble 8 fold path - etc etc as they themselves are taught from within the context of Buddhist suttas and other records - it’s going to give you a headache b/c if you assume their meaning without actually knowing it will lead to wrong understanding - which helps no one - and leads to confusion - wrong view.
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Vylie said: I will try to read it but if the consciousness can reborn then what’s the difference between the soul and the consciousness?
I think the most common conceptualization of the difference between the terms "spirit" and "soul" is that spirit is pure consciousness -- i.e., the "substance" of which consciousness is made -- and soul is the signature of consciousness of an individual person or entity. You could say soul is like a person's spiritual and existential fingerprint.
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vylie the subconscious is a myth.
there is no subconscious. it was part of a cosmology put forth by Freud and it is still undermining all of modern psychology.
yes we have memory yes we have trauma but we do not have to create a new construct beyond the conscious mind itself. Everything in mind is consciousness. including all the partial perceptions, and partial recollections. nothing is part of any other construct than being and memory. Memory has impact on being because that is how perception works, it is always in terms of what you already have been through.
in conscious mind some stuff is clear and some stuff is less central in the moment.
there is no one thing that encompasses all that is not central to the moment except the aggregate of all memory.
what is central in the moment is conscious. there is nothing in the user manual for consciousness that means you get to understand everything, but that is not an excuse to call all of what is mysterious subconscious.
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I disagree.
The subconscious is just the part of you that still knows all of what your conscious mind has denied out of fear.
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Why would they need to come here? From where would they need to come?
Ahh. I think you believe the stars and galaxies exist. You believe there is distance. What if the aliens are around us? What if they are behind the walls of your room?
I think energy is required to move from one location to another. Whether distance is real isn't as important as the effort involved. Do you suspect aliens are behind the walls?
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Being advanced isn’t an argument against harvesting. It’s an argument for harvesting. I guess you consider yourself more advanced than a salad. Can you see my point?
Yes I see your point but there's nothing special about humans. Of course, if aliens were behind the walls they might snack on us, but if they're able to traverse the galaxy they would also have a food source, and along with that technology they would have a refined food source. Humans would be low quality.
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It can’t be applied to light because then light would have either zero or incalculable energy. That’s where we started.
The rest mass of light is zero but it does have momentum and wavelength. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_energy#Physical_properties
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Shouldn’t we maybe consider it at least that it’s not expanding at all?
Sure. How do you explain the cosmological redshift?
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Don’t you see the flaw? You just wrote that the relative speed exceeds the speed of the light. So, goodbye relativity theory.
You're still equating the expansion with movement through a medium. I'm not a physicist but it seems reasonable to me that stretching a medium is different than moving through it.
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Suffering is an illusion. Isn’t it?
In a sense, but I would say that suffering is the product of an illusion. Pain is real enough.
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I kinda like your vibe, but flat statements aren't the greatest. I do appreciate the correspondence, though I'm past my mystical stage. Not that there's no mystery to life or reality but I'm okay with not having explanations for everything in lieu of explanations that make sense.
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the insects are you parents "no talk while eating" purple lives matter psychedelic town is in your head, it's always there, easy to forget.
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what if your body and all other bodies are expanding?
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and what if consciousness is just memory with sensation.
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don’t you find quantum mechanics mysterious?
Sure, physics too. They are interesting models.
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When you lift the item, you spend energy to increase the system’s potential energy but you get it back when you put down the item. When you start moving it in a horizontal direction, you invest energy that transforms into kinetic energy. You get it back when you stop the movement of the item.
There is energy being used, and those things take time. That is the point.
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You always get back to the hypothesis that the aliens are far from us. Why do you take it granted? What if you are grown in a monotub?
It's just a matter of degree. In a mono-tub there is still space. We all have the experience of space here. Things exist in space. Some things are further than others. These are relationships we perceive. We can model aspects of our perception with math, and on the mental level there are models being created that serve the same purpose on a local level. These models when they have validity are good predictors. If you think "out there" is somehow different and not really out there, it's not my job to agree with you unless you can provide a convincing argument rather than making flat statements like no space, no planets, etc.
I can entertain the idea that space is only a property of relationships, but that's as real as it needs to be. We can postulate that there's a way to teleport and thus change the relationship without using movement, but it needs to be proven. That quantum mechanics is mysterious doesn't prove relationships are voluntary or invalid or based on limiting beliefs.
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If the photon has any kind of energy at the speed of light, then it should have a mass at the speed of light. That’s because E=mc2.
E=mc2 applies when there is mass, answering the question of how much energy does a particular mass have. Conversely, if there is energy there is potentially mass. Mass I suspect is a property of entanglement and not an inherent quality of energy. Models like E=mc2 are not fucked up, but limited. They don't explain everything, but if they are good predictors they are valid in that sense because that's what they are for. There is a formula for calculating the energy of a photon in the link I provided, no m necessary.
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You forgot that physics says the light needs no medium to travel. And if the medium is expanding, why is there a redshift, and why isn’t your body growing?
You seem to be making the assumption that a vacuum is the absence of a medium. Space is the medium, which is the set of relationships in which everything exists. An expanding medium necessitates not everything expanding, otherwise there would be no expansion or change in relationship. Photons and bodies don't grow with the medium. Why is that? I don't know. Why should they? Not all the math or understanding is available for us to consider so we consider what is available. Just because not everything makes sense doesn't mean nothing makes sense. We perceive relationships and we make models. They're not "god's word" but if they are correct predictors they are valid in that way. And while it's not difficult to suggest that we don't understand it all, that's not a good basis for jumping to conclusions, trying to arbitrarily invalidate physics or quantum mechanics because we can't fully wrap our mind around it all. Mysterious! Means not knowing. I'm okay with it.
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redgreenvines said: and what if consciousness is just memory with sensation.
Once I experienced a temporary memory loss due to a bad move.
When I opened my eyes, I did not recognize my old friend who was standing above me and who freaked out. I did not recognize the place. (It was his apartment). For a while, I could not talk.
Yet I had consciousness.
I say it doesn’t depend on your memories.
contentious aren't ya!
during amnesia your perceptions were incomplete, so your consciousness was incomplete, yet you formed the new memory which you relate to us now; as if the lack of recollection at that moment, were proof that consciousness (still forming the memory in question, but unable to access others,) does not involve memory, yet even in this instance it does, very troubling to the event as well.
and what of your consciousness just before you could not recognize your friend. Most likely a gap - possible reflexes, but nobody there.
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Classic physics doesn’t say that the Universe notices when you observe it and it changes its behavior.
Observation requires interaction. Although physics doesn't predict quantum events, the principle is similar. If you observe something moving with touch, you alter behavior.
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The movement doesn’t require energy. Changing the speed does.
That doesn't invalidate my point. If there is no space, what would be the point of speed?
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How much space have you experienced so far? How far did you get from the planet?
For this to be relevant you would need a basis for suggesting space here (what I have experienced) is not an indicator of space there. This requires explanation.
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In this case, I can only ask, have you ever considered taking psychedelics?
Sure. What's your point? I've had interesting experiences and questioned the nature of reality. But what's to say the psychedelic experience is more real? Is there some utility to be taken from it besides the philosophical?
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* Having more than three dimensions * Putting a poison/drug into your food that hides the true reality from your eyes. * Etc.
Maybe we have somewhat different definitions of teleportation, but the effect is the same. You are welcome to prove you can circumvent space without movement.
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Can we say vibration is a movement between two points? If we say that, it makes sense to accept that vibration can store energy and momentum but only if the vibrating thing has a mass. If vibration is not a movement between two points or a movement of something without a mass, then how would it store energy?
Why must there be mass? As I mentioned, mass is not an inherent quality of energy but rather a potential property of it. Just because E=mc2 does not mean all E must contain m but rather there is the potential for it. When there is m, we can find E using that formula.
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Again, we are talking not about what I think of the reality but what the relativity theory is based on. It’s based on a kind of light that does not require a medium to travel. Such a light could exhibit redshift indeed, but then the expansion of the Universe is a movement of the objects in it because it behaves like movement in every way. And if it’s movement, it violates the relativity theory.
Again, you're equating a vacuum with the absence of a medium...
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Following the logic, we can also call it expansion of the Universe when I go to the grocery and I buy butter. It’s just a special expansion.
and equating the expansion (one type of change in relationship based on the medium) with classic movement (a change in relationship within the medium). In both cases relationships change, but that doesn't mean the causation is the same.
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Yes, if they are correct predictors.
But they are not, because the Universe seems to expand faster than the speed of light, and the speed is accelerating. That violates what physics would predict in multiple ways.
The model couldn’t be worse.
Sure it could be worse, if it didn't predict anything or predicted with poor results. And we don't know if the expansion violates physics in some way, or if there's an unseen effect that would account for the phenomena without violating physics. It's mysterious and a mystery lacks answers. Do you have answers, or is it mysterious?
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All my life, I achieved finding the correct answer by throwing away the incorrect answers and continue searching.
Stretching a ridiculous model will take you only farther from the "truth".
If you cannot use alternate answers for predictions, and the ideas you frown on can be used to predict, even in some limited context, what does that say about your answers? They hold some value to you, but why should they hold value to someone else? If alternate answers can predict some behavior, but a classic answer predicts other behavior, do you discard one in favor of the other, knowing that they both don't account for all phenomena?
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I am not aware of any description of self-awareness without some sensation driving the changes (not necessarily sensations of externality; sensations can be internal, and may even cascade extensively - eg. during 'sensory-deprivation" which re-orients towards the internal world only).
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I’ve heard there was a room with almost perfect sound absorption. The world record is 45 minutes but most people can’t spend ten minutes inside.
https://www.gobeepbeep.com/world-quietest-room/#:~:text=Orfield%20Laboratories%20in%20South%20Minneapolis,stayed%20there%20in%2045%20minutes.
On the other hand, it’s a common tradition to send the wannabe shamans into complete darkness for one or two weeks.
sure, lots to learn in shaman lore, and many reasons to give up a challenge of sensory deprivation, but sensation goes on, and when they give up, what is driving it is going to be sensations of having to pee or hunger or cramps etc. the body produces sensations and each of those cascades into perceptions (memory events) and those can cascade into paranoid fears etc.
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I can only see darkness against something brighter. but if everything is dark, I see at least two worlds, one all sparkly bits, and one which refelcts what I am doing based upon memories of doing it in light.
that said,
if I look at the same view for a few minutes, unchanging aspects of the view usually disappear. My reflex driven consciousness prefers to stay with the part that is changing.
for example the periphery of this text box looses focus+detail+color+shape+importance until I am finished typing and maybe after pressing continue, then finally the icons come back into view.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26863103 - 08/04/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Classic physics doesn’t say that it makes a difference whether you watch a train or not. It will go at the same speed on the same rails. Quantum mechanics says the electron knows if you observe it.
Technically I'm not watching a train, I'm watching the photons that bounced off the train. I also find curious your use of the word "knows". If I run my hand through water the water reacts, but it doesn't know anything as far as I can tell so it's an unnecessary mystification to suggest electrons know we observe them.
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It may sound crazy but one of the possible explanations is that I’m not in the room until I open my eyes.
I wouldn't say it's crazy, but the mind is capable of creating realistic imagery and sound. I'm glad you consider it one of the possible explanations rather than the truth.
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I think no human has ever been to space. They went to low orbit. The Moon landing was faked. At least the videos are fake. On one of them, I can see the air moving. No, it’s not the flag. It’s ridiculous.
Since NASA is lying about the Moon landing, it would be crazy to believe them anything.
I'm not familiar with the clip you reference, though I've seen various clips that are claimed as evidence of deception. On the surface they can seem legit, but often there are debunking the debunking videos which provide a rational basis for why a clip appears the way it does. I know what you mean, but pretty sure you didn't see "air moving". You saw an indicator, but there could be alternate explanations. I would need to see the clip and do some research to provide an opinion on it. Also, the body of evidence for distance beyond the atmosphere goes well beyond NASA.
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Let’s say this world is a simulation. You are in your room. You have been living there for decades. At least, you have memories about it. In the next moment, you find yourself in an alien laboratory. It’s not on another planet. It’s in another (simulated) world.
How much did you travel?
In this hypothetical example I apparently didn't travel, but anything can be hypothesized. To have credibility, to change a paradigm, you must have reproducible evidence that can be tested and validated.
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Mass is not the only way to store the energy, but it’s the only way we know to store energy by movement. Vibration is movement. By the way, there isn’t any known explanation of why particles vibrate. About every other vibration (water surface, sound waves, spring) there is an explanation. We believe we know the forces that cause the vibration (and we probably do). I’ve never heard or read any slightest hint about why a particle or light would vibrate.
I can't give you an exact answer without quoting things I don't understand, but physicists don't seem to have an issue with it. If you are looking for technical explanations, this is not the ideal forum for that. As to why photons vibrate, I find wave/particle duality very mysterious, but that's also something which is discussed on physics forums so you shouldn't take my lack of an answer to mean there isn't one that fits in with quantum mechanics or special relativity.
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Why do you think I can’t? I can come up with better ideas in a few minutes....
Background microwave radiation can be measured? How much microwave radiation is needed to move an object? Do these two quantities corroborate the idea that microwave shadows cause the illusion of gravity?
Frequency does decrease with distance. The cosmological red shift is a different effect. Is there a test that can be done to support one over the other using parallax or other technique?
I hope you get the idea. Even with genius physicists, people want to test their theories to see if they create reliable predictions. But I'm wondering, if you don't believe planets or space exist, why would you suggest that light gets tired over such distances, or that some substitute for gravity needs to be enunciated?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26863195 - 08/04/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well... that's a scary story. I tend to believe the monsters are human. The ghosts of such monsters may find their way into our heads.
You seem like a kind soul so I hope you enjoy your life as well.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
#26863441 - 08/04/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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is the alien possession thing over then?
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26863748 - 08/05/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
#26863752 - 08/05/20 03:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26870916 - 08/09/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26870954 - 08/09/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you any thoughts as to why you are creating such a fearful thing?
I find mushrooms and DMT remarkably similar although I haven't been able to do either for a long time. I hear the same voices on either one. Any sound in the air gets turned into those voices. Water dripping from the faucet becomes the voices, whispering little rhymes. I'd like to meet whomever is speaking but I think I'm afraid to. The last few times I tried DMT I got instant panic and had to sit up and abort.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Forrester]
#26871022 - 08/09/20 05:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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vylie:... In such a case, the only regret is that when I open my eyes, the movie is interrupted, and it won’t restart from the same point when I close my eyes again. The mushrooms are like me. They hate interruptions. ...
when you break the linkages that hold you in dream space, you need to seduce them to return - only rarely does the same dream pick up exactly where you want it to.
the seduction of the dream is by absorption, sustained presence at the threshold of a dream is enough. Any show of impatience is superfluous, like vanity.
I find this same absorptive seduction, the one that restores a dream, works as well when assigned to the center of fear, the monster or whatever, made from your same dreamstuff as the rest, cannot be escaped by running but can by keeping still.
no running, no panic, no impatience, easy to begin again.
glad you enjoyed a bit of rough trade in the safety of your own mind.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Forrester]
#26871116 - 08/09/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26871121 - 08/09/20 07:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Forrester]
#26878276 - 08/13/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
#26878625 - 08/13/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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How could the creature that caught you unguarded come from anything other than your own psyche? - especially seeing as how it was experienced within a trip?
Esp in a Setting of: Solo trip in the dark with instrumental music only. I just don’t see how you can continue to believe it to be literal and not symbolic. It’s entirely brain dependent.
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My thoughts as well.
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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Forrester]
#26879024 - 08/13/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Classic example of making the error of misattributing self-generated actions to an external source. Easily accomplished and not entirely uncommon when the brain is influenced by psychedelics. If you don’t see through the trick/mechanism to it you can easily end up falling prey to delusion.
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