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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26857552 - 08/01/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
mental objects include:
sensations
perceptions
extended associative memories
progressions
language
ideas
attitudes
personality constructs and learned routines, etc.





OMG, when I saw your list, for a moment, I thought you were quoting the page I read today afternoon.

"You may experience any of the following:

Sense of transcending time or space
Strange plants or plantlike forms
The universe of formless vibration
Strange machines
Alien music
Alien languages, understandable or not
Intelligent entities in a variety of forms"

They are quite similar, aren’t they?

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ego is not a distorted perception. it is a distorted sense of self importance, making excuses for defensive habits.




How could anyone who isn’t me know whether my sense of my importance is distorted?



both are lists - both trying to be general and inclusive of experience element types. (I think mine is simpler, but I am trying to be simple and all inclusive of all events in mind)

to the other matter
if you are being defensive, you are probably taking yourself too seriously, egoic-ly, unless you are actually in danger and it would be really bad not to defend.


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: laughingdog]
    #26858174 - 08/02/20 05:06 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858176 - 08/02/20 05:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Rahz]
    #26858182 - 08/02/20 05:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858208 - 08/02/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Quote: "It’s interesting but it doesn’t explain why would a Buddhist teach others to Buddhism if there are no selves or "others".

Because the illusion of self causes suffering and the objective of Buddhism is liberation from suffering.

Suffering is an illusion. Isn’t it? "

If one over thinks the whole business it is full of contradictions ... yet

.    A simple answer (re Suffering) is: if it were an illusion heroin would not be addictive.

.    Why teach it?  Again a simple answer is: for the same reason people take psychedelics, and for the same reason people share psychedelics.

.    No need to over think it. The "peace that passeth understanding', cannot be found thru conceptual thought alone, hence meditation.

.  Meditation and its ability to produce altered states, and increase equanimity was well known in India before Buddha and was practiced by yogis, hindus, and sadhus.
.  Buddha wanted to find permanent relief from stress, for all, and an understanding of how & why it arises and ceases, and what this information tells us about how we should live.
.  This is why he taught the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path, and didn't just hand out mantras.
.  The 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path, are pretty straight forward, and can easily be found on the internet by anyone seriously interested in the subject. There is also more commentary on Buddhist teachings (on the internet, all free, both as audio and text files, by experts) than anyone could absorb in a life time, yet some questions can only be answered by trying it out for oneself.


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: laughingdog]
    #26858246 - 08/02/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: laughingdog]
    #26858261 - 08/02/20 07:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858430 - 08/02/20 08:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

the Pali canon suttas + (suttras)

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26858470 - 08/02/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858476 - 08/02/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I just linked it in case you ever had have a question about whether the historical buddha said or taught this or that you’d have a reference point should you ever feel inclined to dig in and look, that’s all. 

The Pali canon (Tipitaka)
The earliest systematic and most complete collection of early Buddhist sacred literature is the Pali Tipitaka (“Three Baskets”; Sanskrit: Tripitaka). Its arrangement reflects the importance that the early followers attached to the monastic life (Pali and Sanskrit: Vinaya), to the discourses of the Buddha (Pali: Sutta), and subsequently to the interest in scholasticism (Pali: Abhidhamma).



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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26858487 - 08/02/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26858489 - 08/02/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858491 - 08/02/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

It has nothing to do with what I want to believe or with picking a religion.  If you want to know what actually is said - you can read the Tipitaka.  Most general google searches are not specifically going to bring up suttas - neither will they likely give a proper understanding.  There’s a lot of hear say about Buddhism and the Historical Buddha and related philosophy, teachings, and practices. 


It’s not a very good hobby nor is it meant to be a decorative thing for ones life, oh stream-winner.


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26858521 - 08/02/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858525 - 08/02/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN38.html

Inform yourself.  But it’s one of those things that takes time.  Unless you are familiar with dependent co-arising, the four-nutriments, the elements, the 5 skhandas, 4 noble truths,  noble 8 fold path - etc etc as they themselves are taught from within the context of Buddhist suttas and other records -  it’s going to give you a headache b/c if you assume their meaning without actually knowing it will lead to wrong understanding - which helps no one - and leads to confusion - wrong view.


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26858561 - 08/02/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26858855 - 08/02/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I will try to read it but if the consciousness can reborn then what’s the difference between the soul and the consciousness?




I think the most common conceptualization of the difference between the terms "spirit" and "soul" is that spirit is pure consciousness -- i.e., the "substance" of which consciousness is made -- and soul is the signature of consciousness of an individual person or entity. You could say soul is like a person's spiritual and existential fingerprint.

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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26859064 - 08/02/20 02:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

vylie
the subconscious is a myth.

there is no subconscious. it was part of a cosmology put forth by Freud and it is still undermining all of modern psychology.

yes we have memory
yes we have trauma
but we do not have to create a new construct beyond the conscious mind itself. Everything in mind is consciousness. including all the partial perceptions, and partial recollections. nothing is part of any other construct than being and memory.  Memory has impact on being because that is how perception works, it is always in terms of what you already have been through.


in conscious mind some stuff is clear and some stuff is less central in the moment.

there is no one thing that encompasses all that is not central to the moment except the aggregate of all memory.

what is central in the moment is conscious. there is nothing in the user manual for consciousness that means you get to understand everything, but that is not an excuse to call all of what is mysterious subconscious.


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26859077 - 08/02/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I disagree.

The subconscious is just the part of you that still knows all of what your conscious mind has denied out of fear.


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Re: The right time to harvest [Re: Vylie]
    #26859134 - 08/02/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would they need to come here? From where would they need to come?

Ahh. I think you believe the stars and galaxies exist. You believe there is distance. What if the aliens are around us? What if they are behind the walls of your room?




I think energy is required to move from one location to another. Whether distance is real isn't as important as the effort involved. Do you suspect aliens are behind the walls?

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Being advanced isn’t an argument against harvesting. It’s an argument for harvesting. I guess you consider yourself more advanced than a salad. Can you see my point?




Yes I see your point but there's nothing special about humans. Of course, if aliens were behind the walls they might snack on us, but if they're able to traverse the galaxy they would also have a food source, and along with that technology they would have a refined food source. Humans would be low quality.

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It can’t be applied to light because then light would have either zero or incalculable energy. That’s where we started.




The rest mass of light is zero but it does have momentum and wavelength. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_energy#Physical_properties

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Shouldn’t we maybe consider it at least that it’s not expanding at all?




Sure. How do you explain the cosmological redshift?

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Don’t you see the flaw? You just wrote that the relative speed exceeds the speed of the light. So, goodbye relativity theory.




You're still equating the expansion with movement through a medium. I'm not a physicist but it seems reasonable to me that stretching a medium is different than moving through it.

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Suffering is an illusion. Isn’t it?




In a sense, but I would say that suffering is the product of an illusion. Pain is real enough.


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