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3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time
    #26848316 - 07/27/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So, I am growing a fresh batch of Ape right now.  My mom has been wanting to try out mushrooms for a long time.  She has only smoked weed once, other than that just alcohol.  I want to give her a level 4 experience, which I know might be pretty strong for a first time. But...  I mean - she is looking for transcendence.  I am planning on giving her 3G of APE.  My wife and I will be trip sitting for here in our beautiful apartment.  The set and setting will be awesome.  My only question is: do you think 3 grams will blow her out of the fucking water?  She is 5'5" 140 pounds.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Rat-a-Tat] * 2
    #26848336 - 07/27/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hell no.  Initiating someone with heroic doses is a good way to send them to hell and put them off psyches for good.  Just give her a gram of normal cubes for her first try, she'll have a better time going all in after getting a feel for it first. 3g of APE is a hell of a ride even for experienced trippers, start her out in the shallow end of the pond.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: skullhuman]
    #26848349 - 07/27/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think it could be a truly wondrous experience for her.  Thing is, if I knew you and her in person I could make the call for or against with more confidence - but I don’t.  So...  I can’t really make the judgement call for you or her.  Seeing as I know basically nothing.

The psychedelic experience is unique for everyone, despite the parallels & similarities between each other’s trips, like with dreaming.  You never know with 100% certainty how someone will react until they are in the thick of the experience.  It’s an inherently private experience between the perceived & perceived, a wonder & strange ink blot test of sorts for our perception of reality.  Your mom will be on her own if she takes 3g dry of some potent apes.  I’d rather give someone 3g and potentially turn them off for life, with the chance of them having a transcendent or mystical like experience, than giving them 2g and it feeling like psilocybin fungi  is just another “drug” ( it is, but ya know what I mean) and leading them on for years. 
.  She doesn’t have to become a regular tripper.  A lot of people grow past taking psychedelics at some point for whatever reason.  So I wouldn’t worry about turning her off forever, that’s not the point.  Focus on her and this one trip, that’s all.

What did you take your first time?  And, are you going to turn that flush of Apes into a homogenous powder and try 3g dry of it yourself before giving it to her?  That’s where I would start & the least I would do if I was going to initiate my mother into the world of psychedelics.  Though, knowing my Mom, even if she asked me, I would need to prep her for months and months before even considering it. 


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26848356 - 07/27/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There's a high probability of a first time tripper experiencing absolute hell on 3g of APE.  I know, because I've made the mistake of trying to initiate people with similar doses myself.  Not a chance I'd take on my mom of all people.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: skullhuman]
    #26848361 - 07/27/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I too have to agree the dose is high. Over the course of a few weeks or months you guys can work up and maybe beyond but that seems like too much.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: skullhuman]
    #26848362 - 07/27/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:shrug: Yeah Im no expert on it, and I’m also not interested in turning anybody on who hasn’t already done 99% of the hw & work on their own.
The amount of reading and studying & preparation i did before ever ingesting a psychedelic is insane.  I don’t think it’s the norm, but I’m glad I did it.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26848413 - 07/27/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, so thank you both for the constructive discussion. I agree that it could potentially be too much, but on the other hand - I've known people who have done bigger doses on their first go round.  The problem is that, she doesn't want a mild experience.  I was with my sister and her husband about two weeks ago to initiate them.  I gave my sister 1.75g and her husband 2.2g.  Now...  They are both very large people (she is 220 and he is 300) and they were extremely underwhelmed.  I would definitely try them myself first, but I know what they are going to be...  They are going to be pure fire just like all of my other grows - very potent APE.  I am not of the belief that a cube is a cube.  For me personally, APE blow all other cubes out of the water.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: skullhuman]
    #26848415 - 07/27/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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skullhuman said:
There's a high probability of a first time tripper experiencing absolute hell on 3g of APE.  I know, because I've made the mistake of trying to initiate people with similar doses myself.  Not a chance I'd take on my mom of all people.



I wanted to follow up on this - can you tell me what you mean by hell?  Of course I have had bad trips, but what do you mean by hell?  An intense experience?  Negative thought loops?  Not understanding the landscape of the psychedelic experience?


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Rat-a-Tat]
    #26848422 - 07/27/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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What did you take your first time?  And, are you going to turn that flush of Apes into a homogenous powder and try 3g dry of it yourself before giving it to her?  That’s where I would start & the least I would do if I was going to initiate my mother into the world of psychedelics.  Though, knowing my Mom, even if she asked me, I would need to prep her for months and months before even considering it. 




My first time was when I was 17 and I took 3.5 grams of strong Penis Envy mushrooms.  I'm 34 now and my normal dose is 5-6 grapes of APE.  That is very interesting, how would you prepare your mom for a strong mushroom trip?  I would find it hard trying to explain the absolute insanity and impossibility of it all.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: skullhuman]
    #26848459 - 07/27/20 05:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah thats good advice

Eat some first and see how strong they are

I think you should start smaller though anyway but thats just me

Someone older whos hasnt experienced, it can really knock them loose

I would vote prepare them by starting low and working up


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26848512 - 07/27/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just because she wants a powerful experience doesn't mean you go out and buy a Ferrari without having some experience. It can go south.  If she's determined she will understand a few practice rounds will be very helpful.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26848522 - 07/27/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I feel like older people you need to be a bit more careful with

Theyve had a lot longer for their programming to really mold and psychedelics shatter it to bits

Kind of like the matrix..


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Enkidu]
    #26848551 - 07/27/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I feel you...  What about 2.5G?  That's a bit more manageable, yeah?


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Enkidu]
    #26848563 - 07/27/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There's definitely a significant risk here, 3g of APE is no joke even for people with experience, I'd think it would completely overwhelm a first-timer. I'd certainly recommend a lower dose, but if you decide to go through with it, just make sure you take all the proper precautions.

Good luck, I hope it goes well.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: neonnexus]
    #26848575 - 07/27/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ve read that (hear say) in the 60s it was common for people to dose 1-2 hits of lsd, each hit containing 200-1000ug for their first trip.

While a lot of people had incredible experiences, those doses messed up a lot of people who took several hits without knowing a damn thing about what’s what when it comes to psychedelics.

I say try the Ape on yourself.  Then you’ll know If they are on the low end or high end of potency & you’ll have a better idea of a good dose for her.

If they are on the high end, 2g of ape can be like 5g of another cube.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26848578 - 07/27/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds dangerous and a bit hard to believe

1000-2000 mic trips? I think id lose my shit


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Enkidu]
    #26848692 - 07/27/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've been catatonic on 2g of APE. A gram of good APE is like an eighth of good regular cubes.  That's pretty wild to me that you view taking 5g APE yourself as not too gnarly. 

I think 1-1.5g APE as a tea should give her a heavy first time experience.  I agree with folks that you don't want to totally overwhelm her. 

What's the value in having her reality totally shattered?  Is there something a high dose can do that moderate doses cant?

Keep in mind some people are more sensitive to psychedelics than others.

I once dosed a girl with 5g of good cubes who was familiar with 100 mic doses of lsd  and she totally lost her shit and was just confused the whole time.  Nothing of value gained despite literally being blinded by visuals and psychedelia.


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Psicomb]
    #26848713 - 07/27/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I've been catatonic on 2g of APE. A gram of good APE is like an eighth of good regular cubes.  That's pretty wild to me that you view taking 5g APE yourself as not too gnarly.




Oh no - don't get me wrong... 5G of APE is fucking gnarly as hell.  Every time I do it I am scared out of my fucking mind before I drop.  5G is white knuckling-it the whole time on the brink of madness

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I think 1-1.5g APE as a tea should give her a heavy first time experience.  I agree with folks that you don't want to totally overwhelm her.




I just have had a few experiences where 1.5 and 2.2 grams (my sister and my brother in law) did not provide the transcendent experience they were looking for.

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What's the value in having her reality totally shattered?  Is there something a high dose can do that moderate doses cant?




Yes - most definitely a higher dose can provide something completely different than a moderate dose.

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Keep in mind some people are more sensitive to psychedelics than others. I once dosed a girl with 5g of good cubes who was familiar with 100 mic doses of lsd  and she totally lost her shit and was just confused the whole time.  Nothing of value gained despite literally being blinded by visuals and psychedelia.




The threshold between 3g and 5g is staggering.  Let me ask you all a question...  Let's say that 2.8G of good Ape could be the equivalent of 4G of say golden teachers.  If your best bud who smokes weed, and drinks a lot, but has never done psychedelics, comes to you and says - "My man, I want a truly transcendent experience.  I want to see the magic behind the magic mushrooms."  Would you bat an eye at giving him 2.8G or 3G of APE?  Is this push-back mostly because she's a mom in her 50's?


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Rat-a-Tat]
    #26848736 - 07/27/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Push back is because you're trying to give her 3g APE for her very first time, I mean I think that itself explains the reactions.  Not everyone immediately knows how to surrender to an intense psychedelic experience.

3g of good APE is like 10g of pretty good cubes.  Like straight up man.  Why would you ever give your mom 10g of pretty good cubes?


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Re: 3G - APE for My Mom? Her First Time [Re: Psicomb]
    #26848751 - 07/27/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I said to test them bc if they are on the lower end of the potency spectrum it’s a lot different from if they are Uber potent.
Anyways, testing will help you gauge a more appropriate dose than just doing nothing but guessing.


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