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    #26847748 - 07/27/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

One of the most unfortunate things that's been done is the busting of unions. With people living longer and retirement continuing to be pushed back there is hardly any job satisfaction in todays market. They've taken away the careers and given us all jobs.


When you work for a company it's an investment. Your hoping that if you work hard for them. Climb the ladder. That that company will in turn take care of you and your family. Most places don't even offer 401k's anymore.


No job security no job satisfaction. That  was how it was. People fought and died for unions and to quit being taken advantage of. The anti union industry is a billion dollar a year industry.

Now you have people working 20 years and there still entry level. There is no upward mobility. The people at the top stay and everyone else stays. Job satisfaction is abysmal at the moment. Because there is no incentive to work hard.

If I work for a company and give 40 years to them I hope that at the end of it I was proud of working for the company. That the time spent was worth it, and that the company is also invested in my family and myself.

I think that's the main reason 80% of americans who live paycheck to paycheck think the american dream is dead. Because it is. What used to be careers are now jobs.  It was really telling when obamacare came out and companies were acting like having to offer there employees healthcare was going to end the world.

Tons of states are at will employment. You can be fired at any time for any reason. There are still some unions hanging on and theres good value at those companies for employees. But there spending billions a year lobbying so that's not the case.

Our rights as workers that were fought so hard for have been lobbied away for billions of dollars. They have sold out the American Worker for the highest price. You have a factory set up that is basically the industry of the town around it. Pretty much everyone works for the company directly or indirectly. Those jobs start out at 12$ an hour. Is that really good for your town?

If you haven't seen American Factory on Netflix it's worth a watch. A Chinese company invests in an old gm factory and people thought the town would come back to life. They work for a quarter of what they made when they were union workers. You're disposable. Keep the local economy depressed there will be a line of people waiting to work minimum wage just to be able to pay rent.

There is no love for your job. Your job couldn't care less about you. It's sad to see that that power was bought from underneath us. In that documentary they spent 2 million dollars fighting the union movement of the plant. When I dunno 2 million dollars sounds like it could've made a pretty good impact.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho] * 2
    #26847762 - 07/27/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Now they'll just send the work over to some other country that they can pay them pennies. It's all about exploiting the people actually doing most of the work for as little as possible. If your employees don't have kids that are starving all the time are you even capitalisming right?

The American Work force is going to continue to be devalued. The wealthy here have already proved it. When the work force was strong and unions were strong they just built the factories in bum fuckistan and paid them pennies and commmitted crimes against humanity. Because that's all were really worth to them. If they could not even pay us they absolutely would.

Any time any kind of positive for workers comes out they threaten to pull work. I can't believe we allow in our society someone to just say oh I don't want to pay you a fair wage. I'm just going to go over here and literally commit crimes against humanity. That shit happens all the time. The dictator of whatever country sells out there people.

I honestly believe the US workforce just has the illusion of freedom and wealth and a slightly better life. They stood up for workers rights and that shit was bloody and practically a war. Things were good for a while. They didn't waste no time in making sure everyones miserable again.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26847787 - 07/27/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The precedent should have been set a long time ago. If you pull your factory and pay them any less then exactly what you'd pay here you can not sell your product in our country. That should've been a real simple one. It's letting them acquire American Wealth and not invest it in American communities.

Towns are usually built around jobs and factories. That's the life of the town. It's not about using the wealth to build up America. It's taking the wealth and hey atleast you were nice enough to leave them a couple ghettos. I have no idea how that was ever allowed. Oh greedy politicians taking lobbyist money selling out the citizens there supposed to work for. Shocking.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26847858 - 07/27/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I am with you 100%! The moving of factories overseas and elsewhere just so some greedy fucking scumbags can maximize their profits while fucking over everyone that could have worked for them is outrageous! The day a "corp" was allowed to become an entity was the downfall in addition to having the opportunity to move their businesses to a place where it's cheaper. Those greedy fucks that make millions and billions will rationalize not paying workers a decent living wage somehow. :sad::mad2::scat:


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Re: State of American Work [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26847882 - 07/27/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

An interesting read on this subject.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26847896 - 07/27/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

LOL, if you think for one second that those "laws" will get reversed! I wish they would too, but there's no way in fucking hell ANY corp will let that happen, ever. :sad::mad2::scat:


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Re: State of American Work [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26847921 - 07/27/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I am with you 100%! The moving of factories overseas and elsewhere just so some greedy fucking scumbags can maximize their profits while fucking over everyone that could have worked for them is outrageous! The day a "corp" was allowed to become an entity was the downfall in addition to having the opportunity to move their businesses to a place where it's cheaper. Those greedy fucks that make millions and billions will rationalize not paying workers a decent living wage somehow. :sad::mad2::scat:




It's really saying something that we're payed so shitty that the only thing we can afford are products made by people making 50 cents in 16 hours.

The American Worker has been completely and utterly sold out. Actually just wrote my senators about it because it's really alarming. With the cost of everything going up were being priced out of our homes. The jobs aren't the issue and anyone looking down on someone who works 40 hours a week fast food is part of the problem.

All pieces of society are important.Or else it doesn't work. What the wealthy have really done is turned the middle class on the poor/homeless. When the person that doesn't have a pot to piss in isn't the one that's fucking you over. The disparity in wealth shouldn't be
(owns an island, jet, etc etc) ___________________________ (sleeps on the street)

It's this absurd notion of people having this arbitrary idea of fairness. They say that people who barely get by shouldn't get any handouts or any help. When it's the few taking the wealth out of the communities and taking it for themselves.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
    #26847936 - 07/27/20 01:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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LOL, if you think for one second that those "laws" will get reversed! I wish they would too, but there's no way in fucking hell ANY corp will let that happen, ever. :sad::mad2::scat:




You got that right.  Profits > People


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26847945 - 07/27/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There have been a shit ton of big lawsuits against giant corporations in the last 10 years, Wells fargo, Valeant, VW, HSBC, etc etc etc.

The US government has proven in court that they 100% were involved in illegal activity. Yet they get a fine that's like half a days profit. Not a single person goes to jail. The US government is being just as fucked over by these people. When the governments job is to look after the citizens. Companies will take funding meant for citizens for themselves.

All these big cases have proven that it doesn't matter what you prove. HSBC launders money for the sinoloa cartel. Responsible for 10's of thousands of innocent mexican lives over the drug war. They didn't even try to deny. Paid there fine and are still doing it im sure. These entities have become more powerful then the government.

VW circumvented clean air acts for cars by installing a cheat device. They sat in a board room and decided that this amount of poison was acceptable for the amount of money. The cars were actually putting out 50x more NOx. A fine nobody really learns anything and a couple years down the road VW becomes the biggest car manufacturer.

That's shit we all have to breathe. No wonder kids born with asthma is at an all time high. They poisoned us for financial gain.

It just never ends. It goes on and on. The ceo might have to go in and get scalded by a senator but who cares.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26847951 - 07/27/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I have always wondered what happens with this money from fines.  Where is it applied?  Does the money even exchange "hands" or is it just part of the "show"?


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26847960 - 07/27/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There's no punishment and in fact there's nothing to lose at all. Wells Fargo kept all that wealth after all that fraud. They got a 1 billion dollar fine. Shortly after that Trump gives his big tax break to companies. They pocketed 3 billion. Then they closed like 30% of branches and closed out who knows how many min wage teller jobs.

They got caught breaking the law and it was nothing but positive.


Which I dunno. Jail everyone in the company making over a million a year and take all the assets and bank accounts. Put it back into American commmunities.

I think over the next 10 years things are just going to get shittier and shittier. The dollar will lose value while everything else goes up. They're going to see exactly how much they can squeeze us for every drop of wealth.

IT just makes no sense to me to. It makes no sense to me why anyone would need anything more than like 3 million and that's even a lot i'm sure. We're fucked though because the government has been shown it really has no power against them.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26847962 - 07/27/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Burn the corporations to the ground? Anyone? :pirate:


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26847976 - 07/27/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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There's no punishment and in fact there's nothing to lose at all. Wells Fargo kept all that wealth after all that fraud. They got a 1 billion dollar fine. Shortly after that Trump gives his big tax break to companies. They pocketed 3 billion. Then they closed like 30% of branches and closed out who knows how many min wage teller jobs.

They got caught breaking the law and it was nothing but positive.


Which I dunno. Jail everyone in the company making over a million a year and take all the assets and bank accounts. Put it back into American commmunities.

I think over the next 10 years things are just going to get shittier and shittier. The dollar will lose value while everything else goes up. They're going to see exactly how much they can squeeze us for every drop of wealth.

IT just makes no sense to me to. It makes no sense to me why anyone would need anything more than like 3 million and that's even a lot i'm sure. We're fucked though because the government has been shown it really has no power against them.



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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26847979 - 07/27/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I live in a really depressed town atm. It used to be a boom town but that industry dried up.

I have never had to go so long between jobs or had to work so hard to find a minimum wage job in my life. It doesn't matter where you work it all pays the same. Put in a resume to a fast food place and maybe you'll get a call in 3-4 months.

Cannery, mill, fast food, doesn't matter it all pays the same. Because they don't have to offer anything else. They know there are just enough people milling around from place to place with the high turnover because all though your being under paid you have to pay rent. The downtown area is a ghost town it's pretty much walmart safeway and fast food.

It traps you here because it's barely enough to get by. I pay 425 a month for a room with no bathroom or kitchen. The whole buildings filled with cockroaches but it's literally the cheapest place on the market. The place my ma was at for 5 years didn't renew her lease this year. The next day the place went from 800$-1300$ a month. For the exact same thing.

The communities dying because all the businesses are big chains. They don't invest in the community like a local business would. They got everything shut down and there just sucking the little bit of wealth out of the town thats here. Probably until it fully dies and then they'll close it up.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26847989 - 07/27/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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There's no punishment and in fact there's nothing to lose at all. Wells Fargo kept all that wealth after all that fraud. They got a 1 billion dollar fine. Shortly after that Trump gives his big tax break to companies. They pocketed 3 billion. Then they closed like 30% of branches and closed out who knows how many min wage teller jobs.

They got caught breaking the law and it was nothing but positive.


Which I dunno. Jail everyone in the company making over a million a year and take all the assets and bank accounts. Put it back into American commmunities.

I think over the next 10 years things are just going to get shittier and shittier. The dollar will lose value while everything else goes up. They're going to see exactly how much they can squeeze us for every drop of wealth.

IT just makes no sense to me to. It makes no sense to me why anyone would need anything more than like 3 million and that's even a lot i'm sure. We're fucked though because the government has been shown it really has no power against them.



I know! FUUUUCK! I agree with you 100%.




I mean do something. The government invested all that money in the people working the case and the hours that they put in and it literally makes them look like dumb fucks. Freeze there accounts. Jail these fucking people. It literally just shows that if you have enough money your above the law. You can't then turn around and act all high and mighty. These cases have really made them out to be a complete and utter laughing stock.

In some of the senate hearings the ceos have smirks on there faces and can't help but laugh while they answer. Because they know it's pointless. Fuck the guys right there throw his ass in a cell. he's obviously fucking guilty.

People of color get jailed all the time for less evidence. Nobodies going to cry for him if you just throw his ass in jail. He's the ceo anything that happens within the company is his fault. If he didn't know about it maybe he should have. Have fun in prison.


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    #26848012 - 07/27/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Good luck getting that done.


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    #26848021 - 07/27/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

There need to be laws in place especially for affordable housing because a place for everyone is somethign we should not be fucking up on. If 80% of people in a town make 20k a year then 80% of the houses the max you can charge is 3k a year. No deviations. It should be 15-20% of your income at most. '

Trumps SiL bought up a bunch of old buildings in manhattan that had Stabilized pricing. He then proceeded to harass these people with construction night and day. for months until they finally couldn't take it and left. All so he could turn that 800$ unit into 3500$.

But here's the problem with that. If 80% of your population makes this much. 50% of your housing shouldn't be over that. I read somewhere that for every person living on the street there are 16 open houses and apartments. They would rather it sit empty. I don't think housing should be something that is privately controlled besides buying yourself a house.

The majority of housing since we don't have job security and probably will never be able to afford to buy a house. Needs to be controlled to the population. Housing is a basic need that shouldn't be fucked around with. There is no reason that in the last 10 years some markets rents has gone up as much as 65%. Wages sure didn't though.

Stop the bullshit. Trumps SiL should never have been able to do that. Your risk for everything goes up being on the streets from sexual assault to addiction. Plus you can't get a job without an address. I've been homeless before and it was one of the hardest things i've ever had to do. I was working the whole time too but just for this little hsitty 425$ a month place it cost 1500$ to move in. Shits expensive when you can't store anything. Becoming homeless practically feels like a death sentence.


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    #26848024 - 07/27/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Good luck getting that done.




Oh i'm well aware that nothing will ever come of this besides us continuing to being stole from by these people. How depressing is that.

They certainly don't feel shame or anything that's for sure.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26848036 - 07/27/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Affordable houses exist, just maybe not in the places you're wanting to live in. You're drawing the line at towns, but stuff gets pretty fuzzy. 


You're probably better off changing zoning laws to incentivise the building of more modern homes for cheaper than you are setting an arbitrary price cap in the poor neighborhoods, ensuring whoever owns them squeezes any existing value out of them and does nothing to maintain them.


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    #26848085 - 07/27/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Well just keep doing what there doing then. Building it to sit empty.

I don't think it's that arbitrary. That's why i'm saying they shouldn't be privately owned. Most landlords do the bare minimum to maintain them anyway.

I honestly don't think it would be that hard or bank breaking to set up a system were people don't have to worry about housing. Or pay a majority of what they make to rent.

Building ghettos helps nobody. It's already pretty pathetic that most towns are seperated into that bullshit. Where there's worse schooling, oppurtunities, etc.

But i'm also of the belief that higher education should be free. Nobody should have to pay 80 grand if they want to contribute more. It's just furthering class divide. I'm always envious when I read on reddit people complaining about how they're parents paid for there schooling and stuff. Must be nice. I didn't go because at 18 I wasn't ready to make a decision for 80 thousand dollars. When I had no idea what there even was to offer in life or anything about being an adult.

It's laughable that one of the biggest problems in the Us is the student loan debt which is some like astronomically absurd number. Good luck in life here's 80k dollars in debt. Good luck!

The whole school system of memorize and regurgitate is terrible in general for actual adult life. Should definitely be a class on fraud since everyones trying to rip you off.

Of course theres tons of reasons why none of this will ever happen and it's mostly because people have this twisted idea of what is and isn't fair which usually goes to the complete detriment to the group. It's so easy in theory, but we can't even get cops to stop killing black people letting poor people have a home and an education. For free! It isn't fair! My dad worked hard for my free college. :lol:

There is far too much luck involved on where your born into society. Just because one kids parents did better then the others those 2 kids shouldn't have different oppurtunities to succeed. It's luck of the draw I didn't choose my parents. I'd definitely roll again.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26848109 - 07/27/20 02:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You're gonna drive yourself insane if you keep thinking about this stuff.


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    #26848127 - 07/27/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

How unfair the world is. How everyones just running one big scam and it's all one big joke on us.

Ugh I know especially because I have really strong opinions on it and it's so easy. But people are just shitty. Greedy.

Normallly I don't dwell on it too much i'm pretty surrendered to the fact that it's all just one big joke.

Well with all the polluting they do for easy money hopefully we all die of cancer soon. So I don't have to live to long being ripped off every day of life.


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Re: State of American Work [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26848146 - 07/27/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

According to Forbes there are 2095 billionaires. I say we round them all up. Execute them, and distribute the wealth. They are all guilty. It's pretty much been proven that you cannot make a billion dollars without breaking either a financial crime or crime against humanity.

There total net worth is 8 trillion dollars.

There are 7.5 billion people on the planet.

That's 1.066 million per person.

Boom poverty solved. All those billionaires aren't alive to arbitrarily raise the price just because you have more money. life is good.

Man that's crazy to think about that's so much money. you could give every single person a million dollars. jesus fuck

Or shit don't execute them give them a cardboard box and make them sleep on the street corner in the dead of winter. There's nothing that will break your will faster then unending cold down to your bones.


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"I don't give nothin' to nobody, I just pay the cost to do business." - Riley "Young Reezy"-Boondocks

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"


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