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Bad trip and recurrency
#26847582 - 07/27/20 10:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi everyone:
I need advice for people that had had a bad trip. I´ve been tripping every two or three months for the last five years, always beautiful and good experiences(i had two that i thought was 'bad trips'), until july 20, i did the same that before same set and setting, my music, i had tripped already with a new variety that bought(dutch king) on a small dose, so i felt confident about trip with 3gr, although it was nt the two varieties that i´ve always consumed(b+ and corumba brazil) along all this years.
And everything went wrong that i barely can write it or think about it without feel tachycardia and feel destabilization, that day a friend and his girlfriend helped me lot, and i was ok during one week, after one week i had a relapse of the trip with panic/ paranoia episodes that i´ve dealt calling two friends. So i had to go to emergencies yesterday, psychiatrist gave two drugs, one to help to sleep and diminish the recurrence of the episodes(diphenhydramine) and other to avoid later episodes but effect begins after 15 days of the first time with it(escitalopram), he told me much water, much exercise and if i feel the episode count in reverse beginning on 300. Also i´m on vitamin c and milk thistle, both of them to help my liver to proccess all that could left on my body. So i wanna know if somebody had had an experience like mine, how did you deal with it? any recommendations? how much time can last?
I´ve been thinking leave the trips, ´cause i feel that if i trip again, the same could happen again, and it's sad, ´cause is are amazing experiences, but i really felt my life and mind at risk
Thanks in advance!!!
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: kaamos]
#26847642 - 07/27/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had some rough experiences in trips but I feel like I learned the most from those trips. if I don't confront problems that I have before I eat the shrooms, I'm more likely to have a bad trip
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: sk8fast]
#26847659 - 07/27/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought that i´ve had two rough experiences but this was homerun!!! And i agree with you, it´s much better do it when your mood is ok. Now i feel some fear about a hard recurrency episode like the one that i had the last weekend, i try to mantain quiet music
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: kaamos] 1
#26847987 - 07/27/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just stay away from psychotic drugs including weed and you'll be fine. These things pass in time.
Maybe your mind is just telling you that it needs a break. You have your whole life to trip, it's fine to step back from the flame.
Dump the escitalopram. SSRI's are a path to greater issues unless you have chronic depression or anxiety. Just don't do it man. The risks are greater than the reward. Doctors love throwing this shit at patients, literally everyone who walks in the door and says "I don't feel well" gets am SSRI prescription. But it's not a magic fix and it is addictive. They don't help you deal with issues, they just cover them up, but the issues still remain.
The milk thistle and and vitamin c is nonsense. Mushrooms are not toxic and the half life of psilocybin 160 minutes, so it was completely out of your system within 24 hours anyway. The doctor is treating you like a junkie rather than a psychedelic user. Typical for psychiatrists to have a poor understanding of psychedelics.
Doctor should have given you diazepam. It's an excellent short term mood stabilizer and works immediately. Though his advice about good food and exercise is spot on. It's more important than any medication.
I've had pretty hectic trips that have blown me out of the water and stopped me tripping for years, until I felt comfortable enough again to do it. It's part of the package hey. Sooner or later everyone who trips will meet a darker and more confused version of themselves. The most important part is not to dwell. Don't sit around thinking about it and why and what. It doesn't matter. You will naturally assimilate the experience and feel normal again. Most people get over bad trips within a month, but usually much less. My worst experiences have shook me for 2 weeks but I know people who have endured poor mental form for longer until they let go of the trip.
And that's what it comes down to. Letting go. You have to make a conscious decision, and force it, that you are not going to think about it anymore and are going to get on with your life. Yes you will be able to trip again, don't let that worry you either. You need a break. That is all. There's so much to life, it does not revolve around getting trippy. So don't worry about that. Focus on the important things. Yourself, your diet, exercise, friends and family, hobbies and career. Ignore any fear about the future and focus on the now. You live in the now. Be in the moment and embrace all positive feelings whilst rejecting all negative.
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: Northerner]
#26848118 - 07/27/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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OP, What about the trip bothered you so? You mention some circumstances leading up to it and afterwards but I didn’t see anything about that in your post. That doc sounds completely clueless by the way. Personally, I would stay well & clear of him and those prescriptions and any other recreational psychoactive drugs in general right now. Mind sharing? Might be able to help.
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If your symptoms continue and don't seem to be improving, I'd strongly suggest considering therapy. Despite the stigma in some cultures, it can be incredibly helpful for people who've gone through something traumatic, which it sounds like you have. It's certainly possible that you'll be able to process this trip and get through it on your own, but having a mental health professional to guide you through it can be an invaluable tool.
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: neonnexus]
#26848814 - 07/27/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Absolutely, one good therapist is worth more than all the psychiatrists you can shake a stick at.
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: Northerner]
#26848905 - 07/27/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's OK to take time off tripping.
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The Blind Ass said: OP, What about the trip bothered you so? You mention some circumstances leading up to it and afterwards but I didn’t see anything about that in your post. Mind sharing? Might be able to help.
There is a lot of wisdom here for you to make use of OP. Chime in again when you are ready to write about it.
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Or it may just be best for OP not to think about it at all atm because it may be destabilizing.
Psychedelic derails generally aren't like real life trauma, if you ignore it and get on with life it does go away. It's rare for anyone to have ongoing issues.
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: kaamos]
#26849000 - 07/27/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Part of letting go is experiencing things you'd normally hold on to. I had a challenging experience a while ago. My wife was feeling off and I got worried about her. Our cat passed away and it was on our mind. I had a panic attack because I was worried about her. I got really light headed and spinny and I felt like I could barely breathe and there was this sickening feeling in my body like almost under my skin. I was just pissing sweat. I went outside in the cold, and it was nice. I hear "Honeeyy..." in almost like a concerned, "What's going on?" kind of way. I'm just sitting there with my eyes closed, focusing on my breathing. I said, "I am okay. All things pass. I just need to breathe." And I did. And I was okay. I went on and had too much fun for many hours.
I think what's important is the perspective. Out of sobriety there's something intangible that life lacks. But say I was a drinker(and I have been) and liked to get drunk. I've met plenty of loud, rude drunks. Been one of them. People fight, they get emotional in weird ways, literally drop 30 IQ points. Then you got the hangovers and the inconsistent high. Even at the worst of times with psychedelics things can get really weird and out of hand but with the right people around even the wildest of feelings will probably just turn in to a deep conversation and cuddles and that's what tripping is all about 
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: Northerner]
#26925999 - 09/09/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot!!!Great answer, so grounded, soon will be two months from the trip and i still have some strange feelings but has been fading, it´s a bit worrying i was expecting that it last two or three weeks, but i still have some weird feelings, Watching it was a panic attack in the middle of the trip, amplified by the psylocibin, there´s panic attacks background on my family, so my mother has been a great support, now i understand her A LOTTTTT!!!!. Sadly on my contry still dont open gyms and sports group classes(i practice caopeoira), anyway i partialy returned to exercise and that makes me feel great, i´m with my family now and no panic attacks. I think that enclosure and many worries for all this worldwide situation and my personal situation too, triggered the episode. As you said is wise take a good psychedelic vacations, i found that CBD oil is a great help instead of psychiatric meds, also i contacted a psychologist friend of mine and she is helping me too to release the pressions. Some days i think that consciously i will never trip again, but other days i consider about doing again but after all this thing of pandemic go away, shrooms has thaught and helped me a lot on this five years where i´ve been consuming them eventualy. I still dont decid, whatever will be the desicion it will be ok.
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It was a panic attack amplified by the psilocybin!!! I think that the enclosure, three months with minimal human real contact and the worries for my family and friends passed the bill. I´ll take a looooong time without shrooms
Edited by kaamos (09/09/20 09:49 AM)
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#26926059 - 09/09/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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if strange feelings are unsettling and not interesting, avoid anything new, or psychedelic.
you have to be interested in the not normal generally, to enjoy being not normal on psychedelic drugs.
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: kaamos]
#26926412 - 09/09/20 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kaamos said: Hi everyone:
I need advice for people that had had a bad trip. I´ve been tripping every two or three months for the last five years, always beautiful and good experiences(i had two that i thought was 'bad trips'), until july 20, i did the same that before same set and setting, my music, i had tripped already with a new variety that bought(dutch king) on a small dose, so i felt confident about trip with 3gr, although it was nt the two varieties that i´ve always consumed(b+ and corumba brazil) along all this years.
And everything went wrong that i barely can write it or think about it without feel tachycardia and feel destabilization, that day a friend and his girlfriend helped me lot, and i was ok during one week, after one week i had a relapse of the trip with panic/ paranoia episodes that i´ve dealt calling two friends. So i had to go to emergencies yesterday, psychiatrist gave two drugs, one to help to sleep and diminish the recurrence of the episodes(diphenhydramine) and other to avoid later episodes but effect begins after 15 days of the first time with it(escitalopram), he told me much water, much exercise and if i feel the episode count in reverse beginning on 300. Also i´m on vitamin c and milk thistle, both of them to help my liver to proccess all that could left on my body. So i wanna know if somebody had had an experience like mine, how did you deal with it? any recommendations? how much time can last?
I´ve been thinking leave the trips, ´cause i feel that if i trip again, the same could happen again, and it's sad, ´cause is are amazing experiences, but i really felt my life and mind at risk
Thanks in advance!!!
Nah there's nothing "left in your body" from a trip that long ago. Do you trust the source of what you took, because those symptoms are not at all what you should have gotten.
Really the best course besides quitting altogether :whatdafuq: is to grow your own with care and love. There's plenty of help in these forums, it's easy and rewarding and you'll enjoy doing it. The feeling you'll get from consuming homegrown cannot be described.
But good luck with whatever happened this last time, like I said it doesn't sound at all correct and I would blame the particular drugs, they could easily have been laced, misidentified, or contaminated somehow.
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Did you keep taking the SSRI kaamos?
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: kaamos]
#26926955 - 09/09/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kaamos said: Hi everyone:
I need advice for people that had had a bad trip. I´ve been tripping every two or three months for the last five years, always beautiful and good experiences(i had two that i thought was 'bad trips'), until july 20, i did the same that before same set and setting, my music, i had tripped already with a new variety that bought(dutch king) on a small dose, so i felt confident about trip with 3gr, although it was nt the two varieties that i´ve always consumed(b+ and corumba brazil) along all this years.
And everything went wrong that i barely can write it or think about it without feel tachycardia and feel destabilization, that day a friend and his girlfriend helped me lot, and i was ok during one week, after one week i had a relapse of the trip with panic/ paranoia episodes that i´ve dealt calling two friends. So i had to go to emergencies yesterday, psychiatrist gave two drugs, one to help to sleep and diminish the recurrence of the episodes(diphenhydramine) and other to avoid later episodes but effect begins after 15 days of the first time with it(escitalopram), he told me much water, much exercise and if i feel the episode count in reverse beginning on 300. Also i´m on vitamin c and milk thistle, both of them to help my liver to proccess all that could left on my body. So i wanna know if somebody had had an experience like mine, how did you deal with it? any recommendations? how much time can last?
I´ve been thinking leave the trips, ´cause i feel that if i trip again, the same could happen again, and it's sad, ´cause is are amazing experiences, but i really felt my life and mind at risk
Thanks in advance!!!
Yeah there are bad trips and there are bad trips! That one definitely sounds like it’s time to have a long break.
I do think you need to be more relativistic in future though, as the bad trip is something you yourself create by fearing and striving desperately to avoid (also by believing in it to much) it as opposed to seeking to embrace the negative aspects of yourself and the experience.
The only way to stop Pennywise is to face Pennywise, who really both is, and isn’t real depending upon how you yourself react and behave when it appears. He will now be waiting for you next time you can count on that, and though it’s normal to flee in the beginning the question will eventually be whether or not to leave and seal him up in the deepest recesses of your mind or to go back down and face him?
What you experienced are only your fears (of death I would guess given the panic attacks) and although at first, the psychedelic experience may seem to be about having fun and enjoying oneself, facing those fears head-on is where much of the therapeutic benefits originate. It’s really not supposed to be fun or easy...
We see these posts every day asking ‘what went wrong’ in which the implicit suggestion is always that something did go wrong and how does one avoid a bad experience? Well first and foremost stop trying to avoid it, because it’s like trying to escape from a wolf by running, and you will never outrun him now he has found you. Stare straight into him and back up slowly (cliched I know but true!).
All users at some point have to decide if they want to go back and deal with the fear or just stop using psychedelics altogether. It’s the reason that psychedelic drugs are not all that popular in general, people tend to try them a few times and then after a bad experience never again.
For now, though heal, and don’t try to cling onto the identity or your psychedelic persona. That’s another thing too. Try to be honest with yourself about your intentions and try to have or develop a genuine intention while using them, one that will not be obliterated along with the ego during the trip itself. Mine was always I’m here to face my fears and to prepare and practice for the inevitable.
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: Northerner]
#26927112 - 09/09/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Northerner said: Did you keep taking the SSRI kaamos?
I never did them!! I prefer exercise, stay bussy, but it has been hard, still after two months i have some issues, not as strong as first weeks, some days it fades away, others like today i stay pretty anxious. Sometimes i thing that i should take SSRI but friends and my psychotherapist advice me that it could be worst. I´m functional but have weird intrusive thoughts, and i only can stay alone at my apartment for three days, at this time i´m unemployed, i think that i was denying my fears about all pandemic issues and that fear in the middle of the trip triggered the panic attack, also i was three months nearly alone, isolated on my apartment that passed me the bill :/ . I´m taking CBD oil and it helps specially at nights, benadryl make me have nightmares
I hope to get normal again soon
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26927170 - 09/09/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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kaamos said: Hi everyone:
I need advice for people that had had a bad trip. I´ve been tripping every two or three months for the last five years, always beautiful and good experiences(i had two that i thought was 'bad trips'), until july 20, i did the same that before same set and setting, my music, i had tripped already with a new variety that bought(dutch king) on a small dose, so i felt confident about trip with 3gr, although it was nt the two varieties that i´ve always consumed(b+ and corumba brazil) along all this years.
And everything went wrong that i barely can write it or think about it without feel tachycardia and feel destabilization, that day a friend and his girlfriend helped me lot, and i was ok during one week, after one week i had a relapse of the trip with panic/ paranoia episodes that i´ve dealt calling two friends. So i had to go to emergencies yesterday, psychiatrist gave two drugs, one to help to sleep and diminish the recurrence of the episodes(diphenhydramine) and other to avoid later episodes but effect begins after 15 days of the first time with it(escitalopram), he told me much water, much exercise and if i feel the episode count in reverse beginning on 300. Also i´m on vitamin c and milk thistle, both of them to help my liver to proccess all that could left on my body. So i wanna know if somebody had had an experience like mine, how did you deal with it? any recommendations? how much time can last?
I´ve been thinking leave the trips, ´cause i feel that if i trip again, the same could happen again, and it's sad, ´cause is are amazing experiences, but i really felt my life and mind at risk
Thanks in advance!!!
Nah there's nothing "left in your body" from a trip that long ago. Do you trust the source of what you took, because those symptoms are not at all what you should have gotten.
Really the best course besides quitting altogether :whatdafuq: is to grow your own with care and love. There's plenty of help in these forums, it's easy and rewarding and you'll enjoy doing it. The feeling you'll get from consuming homegrown cannot be described.
But good luck with whatever happened this last time, like I said it doesn't sound at all correct and I would blame the particular drugs, they could easily have been laced, misidentified, or contaminated somehow. 
Thankks for your answer
I had never bought shrooms, i cultivate them all by my self, this time i hadnt the energy to make the whole process and bought a kit from a reputable source, so i did only the last part, but the kit was of other variety dutch king(apparently much stronger than Corumba and B+), i always did B+ or corumba with great trips in all the years that i´ve been consuming shrooms. With dutch king i felt the trip different of other times(also i thought that it could have been the lemon tek 'cause i used a WHOLE HUUUGE LEMON, so much psilocybin at once made me get a shock) , a friend of mine told me the same with the same batch of dutch king with lemon tek, i thought that i had had hard trips on corumba but these were child play compared with this bad one.
I know that there´s no substance on me, but i think that the trip generated an imbalance on my neurotransmision, ´given that on my family theres predisposition to anxiety/panic attacks, although now i know what´s happening to me, it´s difficult and weird deal with anxiety/panic and weird thinking, now i understand a lot to my mom. Now i need companion and stay away from my 'jail' after these three long months of enclosure. Now i´m very sensitive when i hear about death, assasination, disseases and violence, i´ve been away from tv, social networks and 'toxic' covid friends.
I´d say that i got really something great of this experience, but it was really scary, i rescue that this situation forced me to leave the enclosure and stay near to my parents and friends, and understand my mom condition when she had panic/anxiety episodes(great support by the way). No more, the only deep fear to face at this time is the covid issue and my worries about my family and friends, and all this uncertainty.
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redgreenvines said: if strange feelings are unsettling and not interesting, avoid anything new, or psychedelic.
you have to be interested in the not normal generally, to enjoy being not normal on psychedelic drugs.
really not for everyone.
LOOOOVE IT!!!It´s the contrast!!! This thread has been therapeutic for me Thanks
Edited by kaamos (09/09/20 09:13 PM)
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Re: Bad trip and recurrency [Re: kaamos]
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Thankks for your answer
I had never bought shrooms, i cultivate them all by my self, this time i hadnt the energy to make the whole process and bought a kit from a reputable source, so i did only the last part, but the kit was of other variety dutch king(apparently much stronger than Corumba and B+), i always did B+ or corumba with great trips in all the years that i´ve been consuming shrooms. With dutch king i felt the trip different of other times, a friend of mine told me the same with the same batch of dutch king, i thought that i had had hard trips on corumba but these were child play compared with this bad one.
I know that there´s no substance on me, but i think that the trip generated an imbalance on my neurotransmision, ´given that on my family theres predisposition to anxiety/panic attacks, although now i know what´s happening to me, it´s difficult and weird deal with anxiety/panic and weird thinking, now i understand a lot to my mom. Now i need companion and stay away from my 'jail' after these three long months of enclosure. Now i´m very sensitive when i hear about death, assasination, disseases and violence, i´ve been away from tv, social networks and 'toxic' covid friends.
I´d say that i got really something great of this experience, but it was really scary, i rescue that this situation forced me to leave the enclosure and stay near to my parents and friends and understand my mom condition when she had panic/anxiety episodes. No more, the only deep fear to face at this time is the covid issue and my worries about my family and friends, and all this uncertainty.
I'd do them again but stay away from that strain, sounds awful; if that's your result from a grow, kit trash it and start over with something better...
Best of luck, you can do it!
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