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Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower?
#26846704 - 07/26/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower?
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: 1kldude]
#26846710 - 07/26/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coco as in the hot chocolate mix? Do you mean coco flour? (If that's a thing, I mean I know coconut flour is I think)
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26846716 - 07/26/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cmon man in pretty sure he means coconut husks.
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26846728 - 07/26/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would follow a tek and use what the tek says to use and not try to substitute it otherwise it will cause issues that no one has experience with because they followed the tek. If you follow the tek it will grow mushrooms. Use the search function. I like Ziran’s updated P.F. tek guide. Follow it to a T.
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: CrashTest]
#26846756 - 07/26/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just wanted to mess around with different ways of doing things.
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: ichugwindex]
#26846762 - 07/26/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ichugwindex said: Cmon man in pretty sure he means coconut husks.
That's what I thought at first but OP is asking about substituting in place of BRF, coco coir would make sense if it was a sub for verm (coir and BRF mix works alright) but since coir isnt nutritious it wouldn't make sense to sub coir for BRF hence why I figured mabye OP meant coco flour or coco powder or something 
You can sub rye flour or WBS or other types of flower in place of BRF but coco coir would not work in place of BRF since coir isnt nutritious enough, hemp seed flour could be cool, if your just looking to expirement then consider options that have more nutrients and are in a powdered/floury form or consistency
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26846779 - 07/26/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok thanks
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: 1kldude]
#26846785 - 07/26/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coir alone might be good for plants, since they produce their own food through photosynthesis
But shrooms take up nutrients from their surroundings. Coir doesn't have enough nutritional value to sustain a full shroom life cycle
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: meowjinx]
#26846850 - 07/26/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have grown on straight coir many times. It is not very nutritive, but it is nutritive. I think the issue with using coir in place of brf is that it isn't suitable for a spawn run; it is a substrate you spawn to. It would be like building a CVG tub with no spawn mixed in and squirting spores on it.
No. Just no.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9829704#9829704
The pics are deleted but click where it says it's deleted, and it still comes up.
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: Srirachi] 1
#26846901 - 07/26/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Srirachi said: I have grown on straight coir many times. It is not very nutritive, but it is nutritive. I think the issue with using coir in place of brf is that it isn't suitable for a spawn run; it is a substrate you spawn to. It would be like building a CVG tub with no spawn mixed in and squirting spores on it.
No. Just no.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9829704#9829704
The pics are deleted but click where it says it's deleted, and it still comes up.
Yes sir, I'm aware that you can use coir by itself as a bulk substrate. I have a tub and a few shoeboxes growing as we speak w/ just coir as bulk substrate
I basically meant what you said. You can't use coir to colonize spores
When I say nutrients I basically mean "food". Protein, carbohydrates, etc. The stuff that fungi use to build their cells and reproduce. Coir does not provide any of these things, its main purpose in growing is as a source of water for your colonized grain
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: Srirachi]
#26846930 - 07/26/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Srirachi said: I have grown on straight coir many times. It is not very nutritive, but it is nutritive. I think the issue with using coir in place of brf is that it isn't suitable for a spawn run; it is a substrate you spawn to. It would be like building a CVG tub with no spawn mixed in and squirting spores on it.
No. Just no.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9829704#9829704
The pics are deleted but click where it says it's deleted, and it still comes up.
Coir alone isnt nutritious enough for spores to germinate on, neither is verm, therefore logic dictates that a mix of coco coir and verm would not be sufficiently nutritious enough for spores to germinate on
And that is my hypothesis (and also me trying to sound sciencey and logical cause I'm stoned )
Coir alone is great as a bulk sub though! But brf isnt a bulk sub
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: DnDRnD]
#26846980 - 07/26/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You might find this interesting - Here's a good dude who got spores to germinate and colonize on straight coir. It wasn't something you'd want to do, but I'll be damned, c10h12n2o got spores to at least start growing and colonizing on straight coir.
c10 even says he thinks the LC provided most of the nutes for this experiment but he does say most not all. Certainly not saying you're wrong to say 'you can't do it' because this was hardly how you'd plan to do your grows lol, but, it's pretty interesting.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26686858#26686858
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: Srirachi] 1
#26847004 - 07/26/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is a fun experiment, but in the thread he clearly states that the LC was colonized w/ ryzomorphic mycelium. If he made LC then he probably made it using agar. So he went spores to agar, the spores used the agar's nutrients to germinate and produce myc, the myc went into the LC and got more nutrients from the LC medium, THEN that LC was put onto the coir. And even then the growth of that LC on pure coir was pitiful
That's not quite the same as germinating spores. Spores are unicellular. They need a source of macromolecules such as proteins, lipids, and carbs. Or at least the building blocks in order to engage in cell division and produce mycelium
If he had gotten that tiny bit of LC to produce fruits then maybe it would show that coir has some real nutrients beyond maybe a few minerals
The myc in his experiment was clearly starving based on its growth pattern
Every single living thing needs a sufficient source of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, and a few other elements in order to build protein enzymes which are used in cell division. Without cell division you can't get multicellular structures such as mycelia
I am not sure about the exact chemical composition of coir, but I strongly doubt that it has enough stuff to build the necessary amount of proteins, nucleic acids, etc. to serve as the primary nutrient source
Agar, LC, and grains are all rich in these substances which is why it is possible to grow mycelium by injecting them directly w/ a spore syringe
Plants don't need to grow on anything except soil because they produce their own glucose which is used to make ATP which is used to make enzymes, which are used to make everything from DNA copies to structural proteins to cell walls,etc. They get the "materials" (C,H,O,N atoms) from the air and from the minerals in the soil. As long as they get air and water and sunlight and the soil has basic minerals, they can grow
Fungi, on the other hand, need to "eat" (just like us) in order to get the materials that they need to grow into macroscopic multicellular organisms. But unlike us they can't walk. They have to basically live on top of their food source. If they land on something that does not provide sufficient amounts of C, H, O, N and w/e other trace elements they need, they will not grow
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: meowjinx] 1
#26847005 - 07/26/20 11:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No man good reply. I have no idea why I said germinate on coir other than I am up posting at 2am because I can't sleep but I'm not very sharp, obviously lol. Of course the spores germinated in the LC and not the coir. 
But still a good conversation. And a good writeup on why a fungus is not a plant, I'm sure there are those here who will see it and it'll be new info. You should copy that to your journal, or something, where it'll not get lost in the noise of a random thread.
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: Srirachi] 1
#26847025 - 07/27/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you. And it's alright, it happens to me too. I do like seeing people experiment w/ sometimes wild ideas like spore to coir because it can shine a light on why certain things work and certain things don't
And thank you, I hope it can help someone. I've never started a journal on here, not even sure how to do it, but I'll look into it if it could be of some help to this community, since I really like it here
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: 1kldude]
#26847028 - 07/27/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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i experiment with coco years back. mycelium grows about 10% and then dies out. try corn flour the growing process is very beautiful. you get to see a lot of long networks of ryzomorphic mycelium. its same as brf but instead of brown rice flour use same ratio of corn flour.
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Re: Can i use coco instead of brown rice flower? [Re: meowjinx] 1
#26847031 - 07/27/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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To start a journal first go to https://www.shroomery.org/forums/myhome.php then in then upper left, click the Journal link
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