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Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? 2
#26845849 - 07/26/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Been seeing this take so often it's nauseating. "I support police reform, but..." "I support the first amendment, but..." "there's nothing wrong with peaceful protest, but..."
They all mostly boil down to the same thing: "Protests are fine as long as they don't inconvenience me." which is mostly just cover for "I don't agree with these protestors and I hope they catch a beatdown"
I'm actually ok if someone wants to take that position. I just prefer it be straight up without all the nonsense cover. At least then we can debate the real issues instead of the fine line between a protest and an unlawful assembly.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26845903 - 07/26/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having had my fair share of them, I'm not against a beatdown once in awhile. Still, the phenomenon you're describing is really just a way to reframe the narrative. A segue, if you will, to use the current events as a way to bring a rhetorical tirade stating one's own position. Yeah, that position could very well be antithetical to the original point, ie. "I support peaceful protest," but it could also be completely tangential as well.
In the end, this tells us that protests are working. Awareness is heightened, and people of varying agendas are using that heightened awareness to garner attention for whatever position they wish to advocate. Apathy has long been the major problem facing the American public/voters, and this is an exciting time when apathy is at an all-time low, IMO.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26846118 - 07/26/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel that the protests thus far have pissed away a lot of valuable energy and political leverage. What is the message other than 'stop being racist'? Where is the police reform? It's not there at all, or it's the police themselves doing their own reform and calling it a day.
So we have a few statues down and police unions not allowing knees on the heads of handcuffed citizens, is there anything else that I'm missing?
So instead of protesting on the highways and city streets, it's time to go where the people in power live. Go to their homes and make real demands with specifics. Stop with the blaming people are potentially being racist, all that is doing is creating the very division the people at the top want for the narrative. It's time to unity on the key issues, stop wasting the protests on bullshit.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: qman] 1
#26846193 - 07/26/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just don't think op is right on this. I know the kind of people that you are talking about that you don't even consider the argument, waits till your done talking and says "yea sure but" like they didn't even hear the argument. Then there are other people that just are confused about the end goal. What is being achieved. How can we ACTUALLY take steps to introduce legislation that could make the changes the porters want? It's important for all of these protests to firstly protest in the name of the American flag and the country.
MLK knew the importance of tying their movement to the flag instead of saying America is deeply racist and can't change. That showed that civil rights was an American ideal and we needed to live up to what our country should stand for not what it did stand for. The only constructive protest I've seen have had demands of completely abolishing police which does not help racism in America. I want change to happen so we can live in a less racist America it needs to change. I'm just desperately wanting to see protesters with a plan for change.
Most BLM activist are just protesting the state we are in instead of advocating change so we don't have to be that anymore. I've heard people more politically centered saying we have to make sure that the police trains more then once a year, get psyche evaluations every 6 months, teach physical combat like arm locks that can disable someone temporarily without lethal force, create an oversight committee. Those kind of things I'm all for. You're not racist if you're just asking what the plan is to change things because with all this chaos it better ultimately mean so thing.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26846200 - 07/26/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let me clarify the first type of person I mentioned is a horrible person. So I understand that
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] 3
#26846266 - 07/26/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The world isn't black and white like that. It seems like you want it to be, you want someone to either be straight up for you or against you with nothing inbetween, but actually most people are probably inbetween. And that's frustrating to have someone who isn't entirely for you but also isn't entirely against you because then you can't paint them either completely as your enemy or as your friend. But the reality is that most people are probably a little of each. People support a thing, but they have reservations about it, or about how it's happening.
For example, I am totally against the use of violence, and I don't support the use of violence in the recent protests. The moment that they descend into violence, I'm against them. If you want the support of people like me, then the protests can't be violent. That means no rock throwing, no burning shit down, the moment anything like that happens you lose 100% of my support. I do not condone or support the use of violence, even to achieve things that I believe in, and anyone who uses violence loses my support. And don't give me that crap about how the protests have been "mostly peaceful." A protest is either peaceful or it isn't. If it descends into violence then it's not peaceful.
So I support the goals of many of the protests, but I don't support their methods, and therefore I don't support the protests. At least not the ones that descend into violence anyway. And also, the fact that the protesters don't try to stop the violence, or denounce it, but instead seem to look the other way if not almost relish it makes me support them even less.
There are people in life who are not totally your enemy or totally your friend. You may want to view the world as black and white but it isn't, and doing so isn't going to help you because you're going to end up viewing people as your enemy who actually are not really your enemy at all, and might even support you under the right conditions.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846557 - 07/26/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
In the end, this tells us that protests are working. Awareness is heightened, and people of varying agendas are using that heightened awareness to garner attention for whatever position they wish to advocate. Apathy has long been the major problem facing the American public/voters, and this is an exciting time when apathy is at an all-time low, IMO.
Yeah no doubt about it, this working man's awareness has been heightened by the protests Absolutely an exciting time, zero apathy for commies
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846569 - 07/26/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, that video doesn't show any commies or Antifa. It shows one violent thug punching some dude in the face.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846573 - 07/26/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You sure about that, Enlil?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846576 - 07/26/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't see anyone holding the communist manifesto nor flying an Antifa flag. Did you?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846579 - 07/26/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sucker punching the commies/antifa, that will show em. Irony time.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26846584 - 07/26/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't believe he sucker punched him. It looks like the little commie watched this patriot walk right up to him and deck him
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846596 - 07/26/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I didn't see anyone holding the communist manifesto nor flying an Antifa flag. Did you?
Lol, ok

That was actually some innocent kid peacefully riding his bike to church
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846597 - 07/26/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Conservatives always want to use violence to silence others.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846598 - 07/26/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said:
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Enlil said: I didn't see anyone holding the communist manifesto nor flying an Antifa flag. Did you?
Lol, ok

That was actually some innocent kid peacefully riding his bike to church
You can tell that just by looking at him? Mister, you're a better man than I.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846605 - 07/26/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Conservatives always want to use violence to silence others.
I didn't see him holding a Trump flag. Did you?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846611 - 07/26/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Him? I was talking about you. I haven't seen you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to surmise your political leanings.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846623 - 07/26/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, no shit?
But back to your first reply, I do agree these are exciting times. Apathy is low in society and when people get pushed far enough, they will start to push back.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846627 - 07/26/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said:
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In the end, this tells us that protests are working. Awareness is heightened, and people of varying agendas are using that heightened awareness to garner attention for whatever position they wish to advocate. Apathy has long been the major problem facing the American public/voters, and this is an exciting time when apathy is at an all-time low, IMO.
Yeah no doubt about it, this working man's awareness has been heightened by the protests Absolutely an exciting time, zero apathy for commies
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: nooneman] 2
#26846632 - 07/26/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The moment that they descend into violence, I'm against them. If you want the support of people like me, then the protests can't be violent. That means no rock throwing, no burning shit down, the moment anything like that happens you lose 100% of my support. I do not condone or support the use of violence, even to achieve things that I believe in, and anyone who uses violence loses my support. And don't give me that crap about how the protests have been "mostly peaceful." A protest is either peaceful or it isn't. If it descends into violence then it's not peaceful. .
& this why provocateurs are such an easy and successful tactic when it comes to delegitimizing movements. You can have 99.9% of protestors being peaceful, 10 agent provocateurs causing shit - and inciting maybe another 50~ people with their violence - and suddenly the entire movement loses its credibility.
The mass majority of people probably don't even believe in them still - even when there is a wide variety of evidence as to their presence in almost every major movement, and protest in recent history.
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