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Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? 2
#26845849 - 07/26/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Been seeing this take so often it's nauseating. "I support police reform, but..." "I support the first amendment, but..." "there's nothing wrong with peaceful protest, but..."
They all mostly boil down to the same thing: "Protests are fine as long as they don't inconvenience me." which is mostly just cover for "I don't agree with these protestors and I hope they catch a beatdown"
I'm actually ok if someone wants to take that position. I just prefer it be straight up without all the nonsense cover. At least then we can debate the real issues instead of the fine line between a protest and an unlawful assembly.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26845903 - 07/26/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having had my fair share of them, I'm not against a beatdown once in awhile. Still, the phenomenon you're describing is really just a way to reframe the narrative. A segue, if you will, to use the current events as a way to bring a rhetorical tirade stating one's own position. Yeah, that position could very well be antithetical to the original point, ie. "I support peaceful protest," but it could also be completely tangential as well.
In the end, this tells us that protests are working. Awareness is heightened, and people of varying agendas are using that heightened awareness to garner attention for whatever position they wish to advocate. Apathy has long been the major problem facing the American public/voters, and this is an exciting time when apathy is at an all-time low, IMO.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26846118 - 07/26/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I feel that the protests thus far have pissed away a lot of valuable energy and political leverage. What is the message other than 'stop being racist'? Where is the police reform? It's not there at all, or it's the police themselves doing their own reform and calling it a day.
So we have a few statues down and police unions not allowing knees on the heads of handcuffed citizens, is there anything else that I'm missing?
So instead of protesting on the highways and city streets, it's time to go where the people in power live. Go to their homes and make real demands with specifics. Stop with the blaming people are potentially being racist, all that is doing is creating the very division the people at the top want for the narrative. It's time to unity on the key issues, stop wasting the protests on bullshit.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: qman] 1
#26846193 - 07/26/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just don't think op is right on this. I know the kind of people that you are talking about that you don't even consider the argument, waits till your done talking and says "yea sure but" like they didn't even hear the argument. Then there are other people that just are confused about the end goal. What is being achieved. How can we ACTUALLY take steps to introduce legislation that could make the changes the porters want? It's important for all of these protests to firstly protest in the name of the American flag and the country.
MLK knew the importance of tying their movement to the flag instead of saying America is deeply racist and can't change. That showed that civil rights was an American ideal and we needed to live up to what our country should stand for not what it did stand for. The only constructive protest I've seen have had demands of completely abolishing police which does not help racism in America. I want change to happen so we can live in a less racist America it needs to change. I'm just desperately wanting to see protesters with a plan for change.
Most BLM activist are just protesting the state we are in instead of advocating change so we don't have to be that anymore. I've heard people more politically centered saying we have to make sure that the police trains more then once a year, get psyche evaluations every 6 months, teach physical combat like arm locks that can disable someone temporarily without lethal force, create an oversight committee. Those kind of things I'm all for. You're not racist if you're just asking what the plan is to change things because with all this chaos it better ultimately mean so thing.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Let me clarify the first type of person I mentioned is a horrible person. So I understand that
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] 3
#26846266 - 07/26/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The world isn't black and white like that. It seems like you want it to be, you want someone to either be straight up for you or against you with nothing inbetween, but actually most people are probably inbetween. And that's frustrating to have someone who isn't entirely for you but also isn't entirely against you because then you can't paint them either completely as your enemy or as your friend. But the reality is that most people are probably a little of each. People support a thing, but they have reservations about it, or about how it's happening.
For example, I am totally against the use of violence, and I don't support the use of violence in the recent protests. The moment that they descend into violence, I'm against them. If you want the support of people like me, then the protests can't be violent. That means no rock throwing, no burning shit down, the moment anything like that happens you lose 100% of my support. I do not condone or support the use of violence, even to achieve things that I believe in, and anyone who uses violence loses my support. And don't give me that crap about how the protests have been "mostly peaceful." A protest is either peaceful or it isn't. If it descends into violence then it's not peaceful.
So I support the goals of many of the protests, but I don't support their methods, and therefore I don't support the protests. At least not the ones that descend into violence anyway. And also, the fact that the protesters don't try to stop the violence, or denounce it, but instead seem to look the other way if not almost relish it makes me support them even less.
There are people in life who are not totally your enemy or totally your friend. You may want to view the world as black and white but it isn't, and doing so isn't going to help you because you're going to end up viewing people as your enemy who actually are not really your enemy at all, and might even support you under the right conditions.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846557 - 07/26/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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In the end, this tells us that protests are working. Awareness is heightened, and people of varying agendas are using that heightened awareness to garner attention for whatever position they wish to advocate. Apathy has long been the major problem facing the American public/voters, and this is an exciting time when apathy is at an all-time low, IMO.
Yeah no doubt about it, this working man's awareness has been heightened by the protests Absolutely an exciting time, zero apathy for commies
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846569 - 07/26/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, that video doesn't show any commies or Antifa. It shows one violent thug punching some dude in the face.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846573 - 07/26/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You sure about that, Enlil?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846576 - 07/26/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't see anyone holding the communist manifesto nor flying an Antifa flag. Did you?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846579 - 07/26/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sucker punching the commies/antifa, that will show em. Irony time.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26846584 - 07/26/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't believe he sucker punched him. It looks like the little commie watched this patriot walk right up to him and deck him
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846596 - 07/26/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, ok

That was actually some innocent kid peacefully riding his bike to church
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846597 - 07/26/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Conservatives always want to use violence to silence others.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846598 - 07/26/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, ok

That was actually some innocent kid peacefully riding his bike to church
You can tell that just by looking at him? Mister, you're a better man than I.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846605 - 07/26/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Conservatives always want to use violence to silence others.
I didn't see him holding a Trump flag. Did you?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846611 - 07/26/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Him? I was talking about you. I haven't seen you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to surmise your political leanings.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26846623 - 07/26/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol, no shit?
But back to your first reply, I do agree these are exciting times. Apathy is low in society and when people get pushed far enough, they will start to push back.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26846627 - 07/26/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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In the end, this tells us that protests are working. Awareness is heightened, and people of varying agendas are using that heightened awareness to garner attention for whatever position they wish to advocate. Apathy has long been the major problem facing the American public/voters, and this is an exciting time when apathy is at an all-time low, IMO.
Yeah no doubt about it, this working man's awareness has been heightened by the protests Absolutely an exciting time, zero apathy for commies
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: nooneman] 2
#26846632 - 07/26/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The moment that they descend into violence, I'm against them. If you want the support of people like me, then the protests can't be violent. That means no rock throwing, no burning shit down, the moment anything like that happens you lose 100% of my support. I do not condone or support the use of violence, even to achieve things that I believe in, and anyone who uses violence loses my support. And don't give me that crap about how the protests have been "mostly peaceful." A protest is either peaceful or it isn't. If it descends into violence then it's not peaceful. .
& this why provocateurs are such an easy and successful tactic when it comes to delegitimizing movements. You can have 99.9% of protestors being peaceful, 10 agent provocateurs causing shit - and inciting maybe another 50~ people with their violence - and suddenly the entire movement loses its credibility.
The mass majority of people probably don't even believe in them still - even when there is a wide variety of evidence as to their presence in almost every major movement, and protest in recent history.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: twighead]
#26846645 - 07/26/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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But what if that provocateur, was pushed by another provocateur, to sabotage the sabotage? lol. I feel what you are saying; next Gen deepfakes / tech is gonna even make it even harder to decipher.
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#26846651 - 07/26/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The establishment is provoking civil unrest for domestic political purposes.
"We are the side of law and order" has a much stronger ring when there's bin fires on the news every night.
Both sides are willing participants in this and there is no end in sight.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: pineninja]
#26850203 - 07/28/20 04:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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voters are seeing through that "law and order" crap. it's laughable coming from a man that commits a crime in plain sight and then confesses to the very same crime on camera. who's really running this circus?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MightyWhite]
#26851146 - 07/29/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Typical bully belting someone smaller than themselves. Boooooooo
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#26851489 - 07/29/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Conservatives always want to use violence to silence others.
You think conservatives are using violence to silence others? Have you seen what's been happening in the United States?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26851519 - 07/29/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, and yes.
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#26851551 - 07/29/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yes, and yes.
How do you believe that? I’m failing to see how conservatives are violent when I see cities being destroyed for the sake of social justice. What conservative movements is comparable to what people on the Left are doing?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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Enlil said: Conservatives always want to use violence to silence others.
You think conservatives are using violence to silence others? Have you seen what's been happening in the United States?
Have you?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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Enlil said: Yes, and yes.
How do you believe that? I’m failing to see how conservatives are violent when I see cities being destroyed for the sake of social justice. What conservative movements is comparable to what people on the Left are doing?
This is total hyperbole. What cities are being destroyed? You have a couple blocks where mostly peaceful Protesters are being brutalized by cops and federal storm troopers and run over by right wing terrorists.


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Yea. The death count last I checked was at 28 since these protests began The businesses destroyed and damage done in Minneapolis itself is at $500 million. Guess who they want help from? The federal government. Why should we pay for the senseless destruction this movement is creating?
Tell me how the right is comparable.
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How do you believe that? I’m failing to see how conservatives are violent when I see cities being destroyed for the sake of social justice. What conservative movements is comparable to what people on the Left are doing?
This is total hyperbole. What cities are being destroyed? You have a couple blocks where mostly peaceful Protesters are being brutalized by cops and federal storm troopers and run over by right wing terrorists.


This is the kind of shit you people cheer on.
“Mostly peaceful protesters” is a nonsense statement. If a protest was mostly peaceful while 59 people were injured, it was not a peaceful protest.
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The people were injured by police and feds.
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Billy ray supports the men in blue who shoot people in wheelchairs in the eye. Well he doesn’t have that eye anymore. It’s dripping out of his head.
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#26851596 - 07/29/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The people were injured by police and feds.
The feds are only there because the state can’t control the violence 28 people and counting have died during these riots. Shit, Chop had its own police force and killed a black teenager. You can call it peaceful, but we both know you’re lying.
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koods said: Billy ray supports the men in blue who shoot people in wheelchairs in the eye. Well he doesn’t have that eye anymore. It’s dripping out of his head.

When did I say this? Because I don’t preach your dogma, I’m the opposite?
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Remember this peaceful right winger just trying to make the light I guess
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The feds are only there because the state can’t control the violence 28 people and counting have died during these riots. Shit, Chop had its own police force and killed a black teenager. You can call it peaceful, but we both know you’re lying.
Writing graffiti on a federal building isn’t violent. Neither is setting trash on fire. Tearing down a statue is not violence.
Aiming for the head with rubber bullets is violent. Pushing a crowd out of a park with tear gas and high velocity pepper balls so you can take a picture at a church where you are not welcome is violent
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Remember the 28 and counting people that were killed during these riots. If you wanted the violence to stop, you’d go home.
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Billy Ray said: Remember the 28 and counting people that were killed during these riots. If you wanted the violence to stop, you’d go home.

Left wingers’ victimhood at the hands of right wing violence is their own fault. That’s what you’re saying
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: koods]
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When did I say that?
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Enlil said: The people were injured by police and feds.
The feds are only there because the state can’t control the violence 28 people and counting have died during these riots. Shit, Chop had its own police force and killed a black teenager. You can call it peaceful, but we both know you’re lying.
You're just making shit up.
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Interesting that you deleted that post. Nowhere in that article does it say that CHOP killed that kid. I think you pulled that out of your ass. Your wiki "source" seems to confirm that it was police who killed most of those people.
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Cops were not in the Chop when the kid was murdered. 25 of the murders from the protest are from gunshot. Cops did not murder 25 protesters since they started.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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Another 29 victims of the police. People protest police killing folk, and then police respond by killing more folk...then you blame the protesters because those folks got killed.
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Lol ok.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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Guns don't kill people. Cops with guns kill people.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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Show me the articles telling us how the cops killed these 25 protesters.
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It was your claim that they were killed in the first place. So far, all you've shown is a wiki article.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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Click the little numbers after the period of wounds and you’ll see an array of sources.
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You should do the same. Those sources don't support the claim that 29 people have died. This is why you shouldn't trust Wiki.
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If I thought you actually cared about what’s happening I’d search for better sources because that number is not made up.
Here’s harder evidence that still proves my point. This article from June 3rd states 13 people have died since the protest began. Tell me where the police shootings are in these cases.
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Billy Ray said: Show me the articles telling us how the cops killed these 25 protesters.
I’m assuming since the cops are the ones shooting people in the head
Some of them are probably killed by white supremacists and boogooboos or whatever they’re called
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Your thoughts are not based in facts.
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It is crystal clear that the Trump Administration doesn't care when people will bring rocket launchers, large machine guns and assault rifles to the Michigan capitol building. Apparently bringing weapons of terrorism to the capitol,blocking off doctors from hospitals all because they didn't want to wear a mask is just free speech. Portland because it's not a protest with Trump Flags waving is now the demonic group of people trying to destroy America. Sickening double standard
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How many people were killed in that Michigan protest? How many were injured?
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Seriously_trippin said: It is crystal clear that the Trump Administration doesn't care when people will bring rocket launchers, large machine guns and assault rifles to the Michigan capitol building. Apparently bringing weapons of terrorism to the capitol,blocking off doctors from hospitals all because they didn't want to wear a mask is just free speech. Portland because it's not a protest with Trump Flags waving is now the demonic group of people trying to destroy America. Sickening double standard
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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I’m failing to see how conservatives are violent when I see cities being destroyed for the sake of social justice.
"social justice" is a joke - we need to realize this is not about that
Let's be honest and finally admit there are many Americans who hate the US and want it destroyed.
BLM has always been a violent organization - their holy crusade will be defeated! They are evil racists.
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STFU already, those protests in Lansing were about the lockdown not masks. They're idiots too for blocking the goddamn roads. Except one small difference you're neglecting to mention is that the dumb fucks in Lansing parading around with their guns pretending their dick is big, didn't vandalize, burn or loot any businesses.
Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
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Good morning twighead, you have anything to add the conversation or you just going to stand there and cry?
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Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
Why get so bent out of shape about protesting in the road? The road isn't solely owned by people in cars. In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged. So in what way does a legal protester deserve to get hit by a car or truck?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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Billy Ray said: How many people were killed in that Michigan protest? How many were injured?
Thousands? The people protesting against masks and for ending lockdowns have killed thousands. Tens of thousands.
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Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
Why get so bent out of shape about protesting in the road? The road isn't solely owned by people in cars. In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged. So in what way does a legal protester deserve to get hit by a car or truck?
I guess you've never been personally stopped before while trying to get to work or something. Did the blm and other various protests all have the appropriate paperwork in order?
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Thousands? The people protesting against masks and for ending lockdowns have killed thousands. Tens of thousands.
By that metric the blm protesters have killed 100s of thousands
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Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
Why get so bent out of shape about protesting in the road? The road isn't solely owned by people in cars. In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged. So in what way does a legal protester deserve to get hit by a car or truck?
Why? Because it's fucking dangerous, It's dangerous to the protesters and causes a dangerous situation for motorists.
When protestors have a permit to block the road, cops reroute traffic, then it's safe to protest in the street. I give no fucks that someone protests, it's a right here in America. Just don't do it illegally. It's also a goddamned human right and a guaranteed protected constitutional right to freedom of movement/right to travel. When protestors block traffic without a permit to be in the street, that is violating someone else's rights. You think protestors should be able to violate human and constitutional rights just because?
Don't have a permit to be in the street? Then stay on the fucking sidewalk and protest or risk getting run over.
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Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
Why get so bent out of shape about protesting in the road? The road isn't solely owned by people in cars. In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged. So in what way does a legal protester deserve to get hit by a car or truck?
I guess you've never been personally stopped before while trying to get to work or something. Did the blm and other various protests all have the appropriate paperwork in order?
That has absolutely no bearing on a protest. Show that BLM didn't have the paperwork.
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Also, does blocking traffic somehow magically get equality for POC? Because isn't that what the protests are supposed to be about, you know, equality for everyone?
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Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
Why get so bent out of shape about protesting in the road? The road isn't solely owned by people in cars. In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged. So in what way does a legal protester deserve to get hit by a car or truck?
Why? Because it's fucking dangerous, are you that dumb? It's dangerous to the protesters and causes a dangerous situation for motorists.
When protestors have a permit to block the road, cops reroute traffic, then it's safe to protest in the street. I give no fucks that someone protests, it's a right here in America. Just don't do it illegally. It's also a goddamned human right and a guaranteed protected constitutional right to freedom of movement/right to travel. When protestors block traffic without a permit to be in the street, that is violating someone else's rights. Are you cool with that, are you a fascist?
You think protestors should be able to violate human and constitutional rights just because?
Don't have a permit to be in the street? Then stay on the fucking sidewalk and protest or risk getting run over.
It's dangerous to protest in the street legally? You obviously have never been to a protest.
Can you show me some proof that theres a right to drive a car?
Can you show me where protesters violated "human and constitutional rights"?
You are making shit up.
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Keep on crying.
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I know you're not dumb, you're fairly smart. I didn't mean to be an asshole to you.
Well, I guess I have to take that back
IT IS A HUMAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO TRAVEL FREELY. WHEN PROTESTERS STOP SOMEONE FROM FREE MOVEMENT, THAT IS VIOLATING SOMEONE'S RIGHTS
Look it up yourself, are you going to really act dumb AND lazy?
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I don't have to look it up because I already know that your interpretation is dishonest. Nowhere does it say that you can operate a car through a permitted protest. In fact, cars/vehicles aren't mentioned at all. Moreover, the clause has absolutely nothing to do with traveling in state, it only references out of state travel and prevents out of states citizens from being treated with discriminatory behavior. And, it was written like 30 years before the first car was ever built.
You are making shit up.
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I'm not making anything up and that is not what I'm saying at all. I'm not sure how you've come to that conclusion
Blocking the road WITHOUT A PERMIT is illegal and is violating someone's right to freedom of movement.
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Stop lights are illegal then. Good work.
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Having to stop for a red light is a traffic law. That is not illegal.
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Anyone that stands in the fucking road "protesting" deserves to get hit by a car/truck. Blocking traffic is where peace ends, blocking traffic is an act of violence.
Why get so bent out of shape about protesting in the road? The road isn't solely owned by people in cars. In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged. So in what way does a legal protester deserve to get hit by a car or truck?
I guess you've never been personally stopped before while trying to get to work or something. Did the blm and other various protests all have the appropriate paperwork in order?
That has absolutely no bearing on a protest. Show that BLM didn't have the paperwork.
You're the one that originally claimed that: In many/most cases, to protest a permit must be acquired from local government, thereby legally providing that space to the protesters during the time they arranged.
So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there
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So why are you avoiding this question?
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Well, I guess I have to take that back
IT IS A HUMAN AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO TRAVEL FREELY. WHEN PROTESTERS STOP SOMEONE FROM FREE MOVEMENT, THAT IS VIOLATING SOMEONE'S RIGHTS
Look it up yourself, are you going to really act dumb AND lazy?
Tell me what part of the constitution gives people the right to use the street. Thank you in advance.
Also, please explain why BLM protesters don't have this same right.
You seem to have zero understanding of the Constitution. The Constitution is a limitation on government...not on citizens. Your rights under the constitution are about government intrusion.
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So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there
Nobody has been able to show that they didn't have permits.
If they didn't, then of course it was illegal.
Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.
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Outside of obtaining a permit for protesting, walking on any road outside of a crosswalk is jaywalking.
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Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.
That's one of those sovereign citizen theories. Even if such a right existed, it would only prohibit government from stopping you.
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The question is too fucking stupid to address.
Blocking traffic is the inevitable result of a permitted protest. In most cities the police literally setup barriers so that protesters can move safely.
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They all mostly boil down to the same thing: "Protests are fine as long as they don't inconvenience me." which is mostly just cover for "I don't agree with these protestors and I hope they catch a beatdown"
I'm actually ok if someone wants to take that position. I just prefer it be straight up without all the nonsense cover. At least then we can debate the real issues instead of the fine line between a protest and an unlawful assembly.
Virtually everyone takes the position of, "stop the rioters." when their business or livelihood actually gets affected.
The only people that don't are the one that pretend they won't have a change of heart when the whirlwind comes for them. They're so far removed from their livelihoods actually BEING destroyed that they have this false compassion for those that destroy the property of innocent people. That false compassion evaporates in a heartbeat the moment you're actually a target of their destruction.
The trick is to imagine that they already destroyed your livelihood and then form your opinion from that standpoint. Why support someone that WOULD destroy you just for being in the way?
I don't support the mob... not the way the think and not their justice.
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That guy owned the Starbucks?
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The apartments are above the Starbucks.
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So his livelihood wasn't destroyed then?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa]
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I think if you're making the case that his livelihood wasn't affected directly (unlike thousands of others), its only making my point more poignant.
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Fear of rioters coming back, fear of needing to invest in a gun to be prepared (they are not cheap), a decision to maybe relocate... these may all affect your finances/business regardless.
Also, these signs... the fact they even HAVE to exist... NOT ok.
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How many livelihoods equals one life? Multiply that by 1000 and that's the damage cops do every year.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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I'm not interested in a (subjective, even) "Two wrongs make a right" argument.
furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.
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How do you figure? You were talking about innocent folk's livelihoods being destroyed and supported it with a picture of some tweets from a guy that is upset that his local starbucks was vandalized.
Boo-fucking-hoo.
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Wow, talk about disingenuous.
I already said the Starbucks was on the first floor of his house. If you read the tweets the cops said everyone needed to evacuate their apartment for fear of a bomb threat. He also said he's thinking of buying a gun out of fear.
I am genuinely curious how fast you'd change your tune if they lit your house on fire.
I form my opinions from a place where they already lit mine on fire... because they've destroyed thousands of businesses already and it's not hard for me to place my self in their shoes.
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furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.
No one is saying it's right. I'm just saying there is a greater evil at play than the small riots. Why focus on that?
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So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there
Nobody has been able to show that they didn't have permits.
If they didn't, then of course it was illegal.
Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.
You really think that they actually had the permits but didn't show or tell anyone about them?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.
No one is saying it's right. I'm just saying there is a greater evil at play than the small riots. Why focus on that?
But I am. (Ironically, the rioters are not. They keep going after innocent people rather than actual targets, if that's their goal.) This is the systemic destruction of America. People in high positions of power are using the BLM movement as a front to divide the country asunder and rip us in two or more pieces. There's a reason scumbag Soros keeps dumping money into it, and it's not because he's a charitable or altruistic person.
One thing that's usually true with with far leftist and anarchist rioters like Antifa is they hate America *almost* as much as they hate themselves. Manipulating the emotions of this group is not hard... especially once they're all in a mob. (I'm not dogging on all anarchists, though I'm happy to dog on most all far leftists.)
Getting America's own citizens to attack each other in their self-loathing is honestly genius, even if it's evil.
P.S. I would argue they are not, "small riots."
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furthermore, average civilians, aren't putting signs in their doors begging the cops to not hurt them.
No one is saying it's right. I'm just saying there is a greater evil at play than the small riots. Why focus on that?
Small riots? Last I heard, Minneapolis accrued around $500 million in damage. More people have died during these protests than unarmed black people by the police in 2019.
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Was there a bomb? Can you point me to evidence that somebody's home was burned?
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How about you answer the hypothetical first, then we can talk about bombs.
Would you support a group that saw you as just another causality of their crusade? It could be your house burns, it could be they smash in your windows and loot your business, it could be both eventually.
I genuinely feel that the conversation about needing police reform is a completely different conversation. At the moment, the cops aren't destroying our cities. They are the lesser of two evils and we in fact need them to stop the rioting.
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Boo-fucking-hoo.
To think innocent people's lives are not being affected is stupid. "Protesters set fire to home with child inside." https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/police-chief-emotional-over-protesters-burn-home-with-child-inside/
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I'll bet tories were really upset about all the unruly mobs too.
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Thousands? The people protesting against masks and for ending lockdowns have killed thousands. Tens of thousands.
By that metric the blm protesters have killed 100s of thousands 
They were protesting safety measures like wearing masks and keeping bars closed?
How many times do you people have to be told that protesting outside with a mask on is safe. Telling people not to wear mask and to open bars is why the us is still seeing 1,000+ deaths a day
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Tough titty for those bootlickers. It's an American tradition.
I think you'd be embarrassed at how fast you'd change your tune if the rioters personally inconvenienced you. That goes for anyone supporting them.
I think everyone who supports the rioting who isn't in the path of their hurricane is ignorant at best and morally grandstanding for brownie points at worst.
You not being in their path of destruction is just luck. Your position on it all won't save you from them if they eventually come your way.
P.S. Just a reminder. Protesting = Good. Rioting = Bad.
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P.S. Just a reminder. Protesting = Good. Rioting = Bad.
Cops killing people = Bad.
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Thousands? The people protesting against masks and for ending lockdowns have killed thousands. Tens of thousands.
By that metric the blm protesters have killed 100s of thousands 
They were protesting safety measures like wearing masks and keeping bars closed?
How many times do you people have to be told that protesting outside with a mask on is safe. Telling people not to wear mask and to open bars is why the us is still seeing 1,000+ deaths a day
They were protesting the lockdowns dude and their protest was a fraction of a size of yours. If the anti lockdown protests are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths then your protest is responsible for hundreds of thousands. Thats just the way it is koods
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P.S. Just a reminder. Protesting = Good. Rioting = Bad.
Cops killing people = Bad.
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They were protesting the lockdowns dude and their protest was a fraction of a size of yours. If the anti lockdown protests are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths then your protest is responsible for hundreds of thousands. Thats just the way it is koods
Shutting the economy down is going to kill exponentially more shortly. 10,000 children are starving to death already for the last few months according to the UN, directly linked to the virus. That number is going to go up.
While everyone is off arguing over the safety of masks, the richest men in the world like Bezos from Amazon are quietly transferring all of America's wealth to men like himself. This is the greatest hijacking of the economy we've ever seen.
The coronavirus was a distraction and is going to be a drop in the bucket relative to what is to come if we don't re-open the world right now.
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Do I agree that rioting is bad? Sure. It's an unfortunate reality that the peaceful protests have been infiltrated by rioters. Still, the protests are far too important to have them shut down just because of riots. If the riots can't be dealt with in a manner that does not impede protests, then the riots should be tolerated.
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Do I agree that rioting is bad? Sure. It's an unfortunate reality that the peaceful protests have been infiltrated by rioters.
Agree.
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Still, the protests are far too important to have them shut down just because of riots. If the riots can't be dealt with in a manner that does not impede protests, then the riots should be tolerated.
If they ransacked your personal business or set your house on fire, you still going to hold that opinion?
I act like they already did, because I know that no belief system I could hold would stop them from doing so if I was in the way.
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Of course I would still hold that opinion. The right thing to do doesn't change because of whatever personal cost it might hold for me.
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You don't have to believe me. Reality isn't contingent upon your belief.
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Find me two people who have lost their livelihood and still support the rioters.
I say two because there's always that one weirdo.
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What relevance does that have in this conversation? You asked about MY position. And where did I say anything about supporting rioters?
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It's relevant to point out that either you're bluffing of that you're in an extreme minority.
Most people change their tune real quick when they get personally fucked with. If you wanna sit there and support the people that don't give two shits about you personally, that's your prerogative, but I'm pretty sure that kind of attitude is how we wind up in a dystopian nightmare.
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I don't support rioters. If rioters fucked up my house, I'd do whatever I could to make them pay for it. I never said otherwise. I said that police need to either deal with the riots without impeding protests, or they need to tolerate the riots to the extent necessary to protect the protests. That has nothing to do with supporting rioters.
It's about priorities. Protests>riot prevention.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] 1
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So let me make sure I'm understanding this right as I re-read it.
You'd say you'd take the hit, wouldn't take it personally, make sure the individual rioters who were responsible got paid their dues, and still support the cause because you don't consider them to be representative of the causes's whole and find the cause too important to allow casualties of war, even if you're one of them, to get in the way.
If I'm still misreading this, feel free to correct me.
If you can ACTUALLY hold through with that position if you were a target, then your resolve is commendable, but you'd still be in the minority and I don't think it fair or wise to assume other people who are losing their livelihood... A: Support the cause like you do and B: Even if they do support the cause, that they'd be willing to take a major personal sacrifice for it.
Neither of those are your call to make and the majority of people are not ok with it even if you are.
Protesting without rioting CAN be done. Everyone being in black isn't making it easier to figure out who is causing the crimes, either... and when you have hundreds of people OFFENSIVELY moving in on a federal building (Portland) with the intention to destroy it, it's really hard to say this is a small group of peaceful protesters.
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If you're saying that the majority of people on this planet act in their own self-interest when tested and rarely stand on principle, we agree. As you and I have already discussed, the majority of people are idiots. Agreeing with idiots just to be in the majority isn't something I ever intend to do.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil] 1
#26853373 - 07/30/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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20,000 residents of Seattle want this “radical experiment” to stop. Who’da thought residents in this area didn’t like all the peaceful protests?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/seattle-residents-slam-defund-the-police-as-radical-experiment-during-city-budget-meeting
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: If you're saying that the majority of people on this planet act in their own self-interest when tested and rarely stand on principle, we agree. As you and I have already discussed, the majority of people are idiots. Agreeing with idiots just to be in the majority isn't something I ever intend to do.
While I agree with your first statement, I disagree that my position of not wishing harm on innocent people for some so-called greater cause is unprincipled. This is why I believe that the rioting needs to be handled with harsher police intervention but also that we need police reform. I simply find the former to be currently more problematic than the latter.
Most people aren't going to get behind a cause if the cause itself winds up manifesting more destruction to innocent people than what they are fighting against.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26853375 - 07/30/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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3.2% of the population isn't very significant.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
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I disagree that riot prevention is a higher priority that police reform. It would be nice to do both, but we should first build a new police system, and those new police can handle the riots.
Of course, I don't think there will be any riots if we fix the police system.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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I don't think there will be any riots if we fix the police system.
This is where we fundamentally disagree. I may actually be on your side if I didn't believe the rioting was a product of a much larger symptom and that it's actually going to make things worse rather than better.
Basically, we agree on the problems, though not the priorities of them nor the solutions to those problems.
I sense that those clad completely in black or those that hide their faces that show up in every large recent protest are just getting started with our country, mate. We're in for a ride...
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That’s 20,000 people standing up to a violent mob. I doubt the other 96.8% of the population is ok with destroying the city they live in
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray] 1
#26853397 - 07/30/20 11:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt they're okay with an asteroid hitting the planet and killing everyone on it, but that's not likely to happen anytime soon, either.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray] 1
#26853402 - 07/30/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: That’s 20,000 people standing up to a violent mob. I doubt the other 96.8% of the population is ok with destroying the city they live in
Oh trust me... some of them are... as long as that path of destruction stays well out of their part of the city.
It's like all those hypocrites in Beverly Hills... which is basically full of liberals and leftists. They are doing so much protest control in that area because they, the rich, don't want to be inconvenienced. Protesters marched through Beverly Hills chanting, "Eat the rich!" By the end of the night 28 had been arrested, including the leader of the protest, and the rest were chased out of the city. ...and that was just one occasion. There have been other times the residents have demanded police act quickly and swiftly to get protesters, EVEN THE PEACEFUL ONES, out of their neighborhoods. Then these rich Beverly Hill fucks get back on their keyboards and tweet about how great it is what people in Portland are doing.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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Their city is already being destroyed, hence the 20,000 signatures.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Billy Ray]
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Lol, Seattle isn't being destroyed. That's just hyperbole.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123]
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So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there
Nobody has been able to show that they didn't have permits.
If they didn't, then of course it was illegal.
Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.
You really think that they actually had the permits but didn't show or tell anyone about them?
You don't have proof that says otherwise.
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#26853458 - 07/30/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So did they have the required permits or not? By your definition, if they did not, they were not legally allowed to protest in the middle of the road and had no business being there
Nobody has been able to show that they didn't have permits.
If they didn't, then of course it was illegal.
Either way, car travel as a "human and constitutional right" is flat out made up.
You really think that they actually had the permits but didn't show or tell anyone about them?
You don't have proof that says otherwise.
You're the one that brought up the legality of protesting in the middle of the road. I asked you if blm or other protesters acquired the paperwork to do so and you're asking me to back up your claim...
Here's a catch, its easily verifiable. All you would have to do is call up the local government
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I'm not sure what makes either of you think that one needs a permit to protest.
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#26853470 - 07/30/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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In the middle of the road?
Is legal to have spontaneous protests on major arteries of roadway?
Me personally and people i knew were effected by natives having "wildcat protests" per say over major arteries of roadways that impeded traffic, ferry travel and not to mention trains during a protest
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123]
#26853475 - 07/30/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not inherently illegal. Some places may have statutes that set up permit processes, but the general rule is that the 1st Amendment allows speech in any public place. Whatever city you're discussing may have a law about it, and that law may or may not be constitutional, depending on what it says, but it's not safe to assume anything without checking it out first.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26853485 - 07/30/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I just personally feel like they're dicks for doing it
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123]
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Maybe they think you're a dick for putting your travel plans before 1000 lives ended by cops each year.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26853515 - 07/30/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Maybe they think you're a dick for putting your travel plans before 1000 lives ended by cops each year. 
They were protesting a pipeline which was a pretty divided issue since it seemed like a majority of people supported it. I shouldn't be late for work by almost 2 hrs because they're upset. When i get only 2 days off a week and have to drive at least an hour to city when im off work, i shouldn't be delayed by 2 hrs on my fucking weekend. That really pissed me off that day
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Canadians are like that, bro. It's basically a third world nation.
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#26853527 - 07/30/20 01:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are we talking about just protesting or about standing in the road? Asking for a friend.
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And they can't win a Stanley Cup either.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Brian Jones]
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And they can't win a Stanley Cup either.
Thats actually funny. Im not the biggest hockey fan (but i like the Blackhawks. Something we might have in common) but during the playoffs i always root for whatever Canadian teams happen to make the playoffs. And they always disappoint
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: MagicMush123]
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I hated Edmonton, but I liked many of the Montreal teams, and even the Nordiques. I feel bad for Toronto; the biggest concentration of hockey loving people on earth, and no Cup since 67.
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#26853590 - 07/30/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MightyWhite said: Having to stop for a red light is a traffic law. That is not illegal.
No its illegal, traffic laws are a violation of the constitution.
I can't believe you'd so passively just surrender your freedom. Really sad to see how weak Americans have become!
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#26853618 - 07/30/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Maybe they think you're a dick for putting your travel plans before 1000 lives ended by cops each year. 
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Blocking traffic to stop police brutality is probably the least effective way solve the problem.
It's possible to support the cause and completely disagree with the solution.
Besides, you don't know what the story of the people in the car is. They could be in a hurry for numerous reasons... maybe they need their insulin or someone has been hospitalized they are trying to go see. Maybe they are about to lose their job or maybe they had an appointment with someone who is very busy and they are trying to close a once in a lifetime deal. Maybe they are deeply depressed and were heading to a funeral to grieve over a grave. Whatever it is, we can't really judge what they were about to spend their time doing, nor its level of importance.
The protesters who block traffic, on the other hand... it's much easier to judge. They clearly have nothing better to do, no real responsibility in life, no urgent matters... just another day standing around doing nothing. They just figured out how to feel good about themselves by doing it in the middle of the road.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Vahn421]
#26853623 - 07/30/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It sounds like you're okay with pure speculation and fiction, as long as you get to decide who gets what fiction applied to them.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
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I am saying we can observe one group's use (waste) of time and not the other.
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#26853631 - 07/30/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's only a waste of time if you believe it will be wholly ineffective. So far, it's been very effective, so you're already just making shit up.
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There is no evidence that blocking traffic during protests has been effective at all. Protesting itself can be effective. Blocking traffic just pisses people off, really.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said: I hated Edmonton, but I liked many of the Montreal teams, and even the Nordiques. I feel bad for Toronto; the biggest concentration of hockey loving people on earth, and no Cup since 67.
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Vahn421 said: There is no evidence that blocking traffic during protests has been effective at all. Protesting itself can be effective. Blocking traffic just pisses people off, really.
Pissing people off is highly effective.
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If your goal is to piss people off and turn them against you and your causes, we're in complete agreement.
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Hahaha im from Vancouver and the Canucks still haven't won a cup 
For some reason, in Chicago we hated Roberto Luongo. I can't even remember why.
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Vahn421 said: There is no evidence that blocking traffic during protests has been effective at all. Protesting itself can be effective. Blocking traffic just pisses people off, really.
You’ve been debating these protests since you started posting. It’s been your number one topic. I’d say the protests have been highly effective
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Pissing people off is highly effective.
Studies of social movements show that coercion is usually necessary for success.
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Enlil said: I'm not sure what makes either of you think that one needs a permit to protest.
To protest on the street in my city you have to obtain a "traffic obstruction" permit, otherwise they will fine you, and even arrest you. That includes some of the city/county buildings and park spaces. This helps protect bus stops, subways egress, etc.. To protest on any other public space you can do so without permit. The permit however is like $25 and the police will come and close the streets on your protest route.
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That's pretty typical.
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I agree.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Enlil]
#26854148 - 07/30/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So you didn't believe in Russia-Gate?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26854154 - 07/30/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't even know what you mean by "Russia-Gate."
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: koods]
#26854155 - 07/30/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You’ve been debating these protests since you started posting. It’s been your number one topic. I’d say the protests have been highly effective
The protests converted Vahn?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26854165 - 07/30/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think the goal of the protests was to convert people?
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26854401 - 07/30/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You’ve been debating these protests since you started posting. It’s been your number one topic. I’d say the protests have been highly effective
The protests converted Vahn? 
Awareness has been raised and various supremacists and authoritarians have let the masks drop. Pretty effective as a starting point. Spades can be called spades and we can see where we stand as a nation
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26854415 - 07/30/20 09:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very interesting how the alphabet channels have portrayed the protests. I can speak for myself, but I found it very difficult to maneuver media to get a clear vantage point (initially). It sounds nerdy AF but it can be overwhelming.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: SirTripAlot] 3
#26854419 - 07/30/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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tv sucks. Pretty much have to watch the live streams and be plugged into left-twitter, right-twitter, etc. if you want to know anything about what is going on. The newspapers are only marginally better than tv but they are better.
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Re: Why can't they just protest in a way that's convenient for me? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26854580 - 07/30/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: You’ve been debating these protests since you started posting. It’s been your number one topic. I’d say the protests have been highly effective
The protests converted Vahn? 
Awareness has been raised and various supremacists and authoritarians have let the masks drop. Pretty effective as a starting point. Spades can be called spades and we can see where we stand as a nation
I don't actually disagree with this conceptually. I think we just have different ideas of who the villains are, but I'll bet if we were to make a comprehensive list, we'd agree on more names than we'd disagree.
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