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OfflineLazerBrain
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First mushroom trip report: failure
    #26845154 - 07/25/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

In my previous post I asked what dose I should take for my first time tripping on mushrooms and I decided on 2g to make a tea on and put some honey in there.
When I take LSD I always go for a walk while the drug starts to take effect so I thought I should do the same this time. About 20 min in to my walk I started feeling a little lightheaded and nauseous, at times I was afraid i was going to throw up in the middle of the street but I never did fortunately. I cut my walk short and started walking home at this point I started having weird feelings like my consciousness was struggling to disconnect from my body, This was terrifying to me as i was out in public with people around and I didn't know what would happen or what i would do if this disconnect occurred. On top of that I was overcome by my old death anxiety that i have been dealing with for years.
Luckily I always have a plan if things go sideways and had 2x 1mg benzos in a zippy, Waited until I was walking through a somewhat secluded area close to home and took one. At this point it felt like the muscles in my body was tightening especially in my jaw.
As I got home I put on some music and took the other benzo for good measure, the first one hadn't kicked in yet and I was still sure I was going to die.
I laid down in my bed listening to the music trying to concentrate on my breathing to calm myself down, I closed my eyes and I had what was probably the closest I have ever gotten to real hallucinations, nothing special I just saw black and grey squiggly lines moving. After 10 min or so I felt my anxiety slowly disappear and so did most visuals although they weren't much to speak of to begin with.
And that was pretty much what happened my first time on mushrooms, I haven't given up despite a shitty experience I just need to be more careful i guess.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LazerBrain] * 2
    #26845172 - 07/25/20 08:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Normal situation.

Lay back with some music next time. No need to venture outside. You'll get a feel for things with experience. Just be brave but not stupid.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26845278 - 07/25/20 10:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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LosTresOjos said:
Normal situation.

Lay back with some music next time. No need to venture outside. You'll get a feel for things with experience. Just be brave but not stupid.




This user said in the other thread they have taken LSD every weekend since christmas. He's far past stupid at this point.


Edited by Azure Essence (07/25/20 10:27 PM)


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OfflineLazerBrain
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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26845347 - 07/25/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Why so harsh? I like to treat myself on the weekends and any day on acid is a good day.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LazerBrain]
    #26845392 - 07/26/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The title is misleading. This isn’t a trip report because you didn’t trip, and it wasn’t a failure, you killed it.

As an experienced LSD user, what were you expecting from 2g of mushrooms. Btw, 2g is nothing.

It sounds like you’re too immature for mushrooms, my friend. If you do take them again, work on your set and setting beforehand :cookiemonster:


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LazerBrain]
    #26845422 - 07/26/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Geez OP, you've really copped it in the replies in this thread.

Sorry that this happened to you. I wouldn't wish anxiety verging on panic on my worst enemy.

Have a bit of a read about set and setting and have another go. Look forward to your report :smile:


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: microbiome88]
    #26845448 - 07/26/20 02:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

True, I didn't really think about set and setting for my first mushroom trip. That was outright retarded of me.
Because I have taken LSD regularly and never had a bad time with it, how i thought mushrooms was gonna be was like: It's gonna be like LSD but different and a body high like weed...
That was wrong to put it lightly. However this experience taught me the hard way and i will definitely think of set and setting next time as well as be more careful.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LazerBrain]
    #26845453 - 07/26/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Try reading up on some fungi experience / trip reports.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LazerBrain]
    #26845488 - 07/26/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm happy you didn't take 3 grams. Mushrooms feel very different from LSD. Anyway, if you knew you had a benzo on hand you could have waited some more before taking it. Sometimes, it's on the other side of fear that you find the answer to your questions, but only if you surrender and trust the mushrooms.

Next time you're worried about death, remember that everything in the universe exists for eternity. Nothing has ever been truly destroyed nor created and nothing exists independently from everything else. What you see as a process of annihilation is more similar to a process of dissolution, or expansion.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: InnerEternity]
    #26845492 - 07/26/20 04:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

From my own mushroom experiences, I fully agree that nothing ever dies; conservation of mass theory tells us that.  What I haven’t worked out yet though, is entropy. The whole life of the universe is heading towards chaos, and everything is moving away from everything else at such pace, we may live for eternity, but the vast majority of eternity will be spent alone.

That is what I haven’t reconciled yet :eek:

DJ Ed


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26845579 - 07/26/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This is a tough question, but I'll try to tell you what two people who know better told me.
When in the last year of high school I had to write an essay for graduation, I decided to talk about the nature of time (I admit it was acid's fault :rolleyes:). So I asked about it to two physics professors.

The first one (an eccentric and easy-going man) told me about the relativity of simultaneity. English isn't my native language so I'll paste Wikipedia's definition.
According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it is impossible to say in an absolute sense that two distinct events occur at the same time if those events are separated in space. If one reference frame assigns precisely the same time to two events that are at different points in space, a reference frame that is moving relative to the first will generally assign different times to the two events.
From this concept one could say that, if we took a number of observers tending to infinity, all the events of the universe would be simultaneous. Therefore time is like a frozen river, but our brains perceive it to be flowing.

The second one (a rigid and cynical woman), told me that while she wouldn't go that far with assumptions (speaking about the frozen river), she wanted to add something about entropy and the arrow of time. I wrote down her words (don't know if they are hers or if she read them somewhere).
"Entropy describes the directional irreversibility of heat transfer. This is the second law of thermodynamics, the only law for which there's difference between past and future.
Being heat a state of molecular agitation, Boltzmann realized that the arrow of time corresponds to a progressive increase of disorder within a system (passing from an ordered state to progressively less ordered states).
But then Boltzmann realized that every state can be said to be an ordered state, if we consider every single one of its aspects, because it has features that make it unique.
Therefore we can say that a state is characterized by low entropy only if we can't distinguish all of its configurations. So entropy is a consequence of the human approximation of reality.

If you're speaking about the supposed heat death of the universe, it would happen only if the universe was flat (we have evidence it is flat on our scale, but it could still be globally curved, an hyperspherical manifold for example) and it depends on the nature of dark energy (expansion is accelerating but it could slow down and reverse in the future).
Either way, it's not like before the big bang the universe didn't exist (it was just "compressed"), and it comes "natural" to me to imagine the universe as cyclical, so I personally like the big bounce / ekpyrosis theory, but this is speculation.

In the end, I believe it's hard to satisfy the human mind, unless we have direct experience (true or supposed) of what lies beyond our knowledge (as it can happen in meditation, with psychedelics or in NDEs).
I still remember that after I talked about my essay during the examination, another professor (a beautiful and sensual woman) told me "I get that time doesn't really exist, yet I can still see myself aging, and it feels very real".


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: InnerEternity]
    #26845755 - 07/26/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fantastic post, InnerWisdom. You’ve really grabbed my attention; someone I think I could converse with day after day after day :thumbup:

I studied thermodynamics at university and became a systems engineer, focussing on fluidnflow and heat transfer. I’ve worked in the space industry, testing spacecraft thermal systems in thermal vacuum, and minimal pressure.

I do love my job.

But I wasn’t just talking about the heat transfer death of the universe. I was talking about the whole concept of entropy. And you captured it very well in the Wikipedia extracts.

I do believe time is as described very well in “Interstellar”, that time is the 4th dimension, and your whole life is along that dimension. In certain scenarios, psychedelics being one, you can perceive this 4th dimension.

It’s the whole entropy debate that doesn’t yet reconcile with theory. I’ve been mulling over this for decades......

Take care
DJ Ed


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26846047 - 07/26/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Skip the tea and eat 3.5 grams after a two week or longer break from dosing.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26846111 - 07/26/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you! I wish I understood physics (and mathematics) as much as you do..


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: microbiome88]
    #26846153 - 07/26/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Geez OP, you've really copped it in the replies in this thread.

Sorry that this happened to you. I wouldn't wish anxiety verging on panic on my worst enemy.

Have a bit of a read about set and setting and have another go. Look forward to your report :smile:





I second this!
Good luck in your future endeavours, hope you don't let this put you off.
Also agree about waiting some more time before you panic and take a benzo, what have you got to lose.....?


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: Azure Essence]
    #26846318 - 07/26/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
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LosTresOjos said:
Normal situation.

Lay back with some music next time. No need to venture outside. You'll get a feel for things with experience. Just be brave but not stupid.




This user said in the other thread they have taken LSD every weekend since christmas. He's far past stupid at this point.




you seem like a rude dude too tho :laugh:

maybe eat more azure essence? or less idk


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: epilectric]
    #26846928 - 07/26/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't calling him stupid. He probably should have just stayed home since it was his first time. But it's a good lesson for the future.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26847226 - 07/27/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

for me at least with mushrooms i like to chill an relax an zone out while with acid i love to go out an do things. Thoe a walk in the woods on mushrooms is pretty amazing.


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: Mach z 800]
    #26848583 - 07/27/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Personally I would never risk being in public on mushrooms. LSD? Absolutely. But with mushrooms I've always found it best to stay in a safe, secluded place where nobody will bother you.

Good luck, I hope it goes better next time!


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Re: First mushroom trip report: failure [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26848881 - 07/27/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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I wasn't calling him stupid. He probably should have just stayed home since it was his first time. But it's a good lesson for the future.




I think the user is referring to me he's been mad at me ever since I proved him wrong in another thread.


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