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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26843340 - 07/24/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That isnt an answer to my question. It sounds like youre saying the swedish and or finnish governments are using a virus as a screen for committing genocide on its own elderly population. That is a very serious accusation. The US government is definitely doing no such thing.

Vaccines are the worst money making scheme imaginable in medicine. Drugs for treating diseases, not a one time dose for preventing them, are the real moneymakers. And yes, the immunizations for some viruses need a seasonal update- if you want them to actually work.

Organizations like the cdc intentionally patent as much vaccine tech as possible to keep pharmaceutical companies from price gouging people who want them.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26843366 - 07/24/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Pattnts(lol spelling)  should be abolished. It halts human advancement in the name of greed


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: ichugwindex] * 6
    #26843628 - 07/24/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm probably missing some basic understanding of international etiquette or some shit, but I don't get the recent vilification of Russia's supposed attempt to "hack" into research data bases in the US and UK.

I would have thought that finding a cure for this virus is more important than which university or team find the cure for it, and who wins the Nobel fukin prize. Why should we give one flying fuck about "intelectual property rights" when this disease is damaging the health of milions worldwide. Sharing information is surely the best chance we have of overcoming this pandemic and getting back to normal.

Fuck the Goddamn hypocrite politicians and their scumbag piece of shit 'spokepeople' lying bunch of spin Dr's and shit-meisters and their power hungry agendas.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: deucedbi9]
    #26843639 - 07/24/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

well they could fuck up they data perhaps so we dont get a cure


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: cannabinated]
    #26843700 - 07/24/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The only downside I can think of at the moment is that improperly developed vaccines can occasionally do harm to patients, so if they take research and don't know how to use it properly, which could be argued given that they are trying to steal it to begin with, it might turn out to be not such a good thing.

Russia has a history of cutting some corners on implementing the same kinds of tech the Western world use and that has, on rare occasion, turned out to be nearly catastrophic. The most obvious example is nuclear power: chernobyl. They only managed to pull that one back from the brink of total disaster by sacrificing quite a few lives, and it would've been bad not only for Russia but arguably many surrounding countries. And they knew at the time how they could have designed the plants more safely but simply chose not to because it was less expensive. There was another time when a malfunction of their missile tracking system indicated that a nuclear warhead was headed their way. The guy in charge of it, if I remember correctly, was supposed to notify the central government, which could have resulted in immediate retaliation and all out nuclear war, but he took a gamble and assumed it was a system malfunction I believe, so it could be argued that we just narrowly escaped nuclear war.

I do agree that collaboration among scientists is very important, but I'm not educated enough to presume I understand all of the rationales involved in not freely distributing every piece of research we develop in relation to covid


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26843773 - 07/24/20 11:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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deucedbi9 said:
Fuck the Goddamn hypocrite politicians and their scumbag piece of shit 'spokepeople' lying bunch of spin Dr's and shit-meisters and their power hungry agendas.



Fuckin amen brother.

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About 20 years ago a grandparent was on deaths door and they had a morphine button to press. I wonder if that's still allowed with the opiate problem and regulations. But you press your way to death so there's no culpable party.



I thought these things only allowed for X dose/hour, keeping one away from a possible OD situation?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #26843779 - 07/24/20 11:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Usually in a hospital it’s a fentanyl pump


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
    #26843832 - 07/25/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I thought these things only allowed for X dose/hour, keeping one away from a possible OD situation?




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Here in the usa, many terminal cancer patients arguably die of morphine overdose. The standard practice for giving morphine is typically to withhold it if you think giving it to the patient might result in their death. This is now how terminal palliative care patients are handled though. What you are treating is the pain, not the disease, because there is no way left to treat the disease. So when they ask for morphine, you give it to them, no matter what. In this way, consensual euthanasia "kind of" exists for terminally ill patients in this country, but it should be allowed for others as well IMO


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The same is probably true of other terminal diseases, but I don't work in that environment, so I can't say for sure. My understanding is that for anyone who agrees to palliative hospice care, the policy is not to withhold narcotics even if you believe that giving them will be the proximate cause of the patient's death.





the PCAs are programmed to rate limit doses, but they can request additional pain meds to be administered on top of whatever the PCA pump is doling out


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26843929 - 07/25/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I once accidentally fell  asleep on the button after a surgery and it just continued dosing away through the night.
Thought I was being tough and not needing meds.
Was a good sleep.

Glad the mechanism worked.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26843961 - 07/25/20 03:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

during that 1.5-2 months. yes. Every death in nursing homes in Sweden is murder imho.
You dont give info to public that there is no shortage of er beds meanwhile killing elders without even taking them to hospital.

In Finland elders are isolated not sacrified.

Totally different tactics between these countrys.

Sweden kept its society open and running.

Finland entered lockdown.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26844140 - 07/25/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

There is a difference between letting people die and murdering them. Youre conflating the two


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26844176 - 07/25/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Canada legalized euthanasia a few years ago. It is tightly regulated but for those that are in extreme pain I feel like it provides a compassionate option. It also reduces potential liability for physicians that have in the past understood, by way of a wink and a nod, the wishes of the patient (and their family), provided assistance in end of life measures, only to be sued later for doing so.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: pslyke]
    #26844192 - 07/25/20 08:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nope. If you have room in hospital you take people in.
And give them treatment.
Just leaving somebody to die is awful enough.

Deciding on country level that everybody in nursing home with covid is terminal patient with no hope and right to treatment is pure evil imho.
Giving them eutanasia coctail and lying what it is is MURDER imho.

At the same time the official truth was we have this under control, no worries.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #26844200 - 07/25/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe in your country.

"Sweden and Finland are not the center of the world."

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26844202 - 07/25/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Neither is America so I guess we just stop mentioning what happens here too


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26844209 - 07/25/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Nope, they are not.
just the place I make observations how this is going and handled.

Lucky that I dont live in Sweden though:shrug:

Finland total deaths 328. no new deaths in weeks.
4 people in hospital care at the moment.
No need to murder elders with covid:lol:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta] * 5
    #26844211 - 07/25/20 08:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately the actual center of the world is quite inhospitable to human life.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: psi] * 1
    #26844213 - 07/25/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26844339 - 07/25/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Neither is America so I guess we just stop mentioning what happens here too



I would be okay with you doing that:shrug:

I think it is kind of strange that cowboy is simultaneously accusing sweden of committing genocide and denying that covid is capable of killing the elderly but hey. I will digress.

Carry on


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Re: Viral outbreak in China - Coronavirus Pandemic 2020 [Re: morrowasted]
    #26844343 - 07/25/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I have not stated that covid is harmless to elders.
It is the one group I´m genuine worried about with this.
What I said that during that1.5-2months of time period when that order was in place I count every covid death in swedish nursing homes as murder because the treatment was denied from those people AND ACTIVE EUTHANASIA WAS FORCED ON THEM

Stop being so bitter if shown you are wrong on some subject.
And stop reading me wrong on purpose.

You are acting like a child here bro.

If you would be special kind of stupid I would understand your comments.

Wich you clearly are not.

Your ego got hurted and now you dont get over that.

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