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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843115 - 07/24/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always thought of the universe as this infinitely lawless space where one would go to escape justice if they happened to have a space ship .
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26843127 - 07/24/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Smaller countries NEED larger countries.
I can't think of another global superpower that would handle the world as benevolently as America is right now.
You mean how we're handling Iraq, Venezuela, Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan, etc., where the people are suffering even more than before?
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Vahn421 said: China is hauling Muslims off to concentration camps to harvest their organs, so fuck them.
No, they're hauling Falun Gong off to teach them how to better integrate into Chines society. I'm not saying that's right or good, but we discussed the organ harvesting here, and it appears the only organs taken are from executed prisoners (including non Muslims). I actually think that's an interesting idea, but off topic.
Regardless, how has spending more on the American military helped Chinese Muslims?
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Vahn421 said: Russia I don't know much about. I'm guessing they're pretty chill these days, actually.
I agree.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26843157 - 07/24/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The U.S. And Russia Are Stocking Up On Missiles And Nukes For A Different Kind Of War
Neither one is chill . That’s a crazy way to look at it . Colombia is chill .
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/01/690143095/the-u-s-and-russia-are-stocking-up-on-missiles-and-nukes-for-a-different-kind-of
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26843228 - 07/24/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Smaller countries NEED larger countries.
I can't think of another global superpower that would handle the world as benevolently as America is right now.
You mean how we're handling Iraq, Venezuela, Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan, etc., where the people are suffering even more than before?
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Vahn421 said: China is hauling Muslims off to concentration camps to harvest their organs, so fuck them.
No, they're hauling Falun Gong off to teach them how to better integrate into Chines society. I'm not saying that's right or good, but we discussed the organ harvesting here, and it appears the only organs taken are from executed prisoners (including non Muslims). I actually think that's an interesting idea, but off topic.
Regardless, how has spending more on the American military helped Chinese Muslims?
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Vahn421 said: Russia I don't know much about. I'm guessing they're pretty chill these days, actually.
I agree.
Have you seen the drone footage of the Uighur Muslims being hauled off to concentration camps?
What's your take on it?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843235 - 07/24/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: The feds have threatened no one's life.
the contractors have threatened many lives, both potentially and actually
In retaliation to breaking laws.
So if someone is breaking a law, the universal laws of justice no longer apply? Which laws, exactly, override the universal laws of justice?
For the audience, this is what people who have nothing useful to contribute and have malicious intentions do. (It doesn't mean THEY are a malicious person necessarily, but what it DOES mean in in this moment they are acting maliciously. It's deplorable, really.) They find something you said at once point in hundreds of your posts that they think they can use against you over and over to both trigger you emotionally and make you look like a fool.
This guy doesn't have to agree with my take on the fact I believe in universal laws of justice.
Another word for it is karma. People can slice it it however they want.
My morality is simple: fuck with innocent people, and I find you contemptible.
I have plenty of gripes with the government, but right now they are the lesser of two evils. If these Antifa twats with their attitude were in charge they would turn America inside out and transform us into Venezuela.
So fuck them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26843254 - 07/24/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They’d turn us into Venezuela the same way we turned Venezuela into Venezuela?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26843307 - 07/24/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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i dunno about antifa but when i see video of portland I see a bunch of lawless thugs with batons and teargas assaulting moms with bicycle helmets and fanny packs. Private contractors, no less. That is pretty contemptible in my book, and seemingly a violation of your universal law. I'm trying to understand why those moms and their families wouldn't be justified under your personal moral code in defending themselves and their community.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843314 - 07/24/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've already said it like 100 times, dude.
Protesters = Fine.
Rioters = Not Fine.
Now, for additional perspective.
Moms that defend protesters = fine.
Moms that defend rioters = collaborators
P.S. I don't mean to bring the hammer down so hard, but I'm annoyed. If you really want to understand my morality, we can talk. If you're going to mock me, I'm not as interested in giving a straight answer.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843330 - 07/24/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: good point. seems like the universal laws of justice apply and those protesters would have been justified in using or trying to use lethal force against the contractors that have been deployed to terrorize their city. I didn't see any of that in the article though. just that protesters lit trash on fire and threw some smoke bombs.
Give these a read: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/22/portland-riots-read-out-july-22
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/16/acting-secretary-wolf-condemns-rampant-long-lasting-violence-portland
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 3
#26843334 - 07/24/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm trying to understand your positions. I don't give a flying fuck about you, personally.
Hypothetically, lets say you went out to a protest and the federal contractors gassed you and shot your buddy's eye out with a baton round. A few days later you go back and they gas your mom and shoot your buddy's mom with a bean bag round. At what point do your universal laws allow you to repel such invaders by whatever means necessary?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26843337 - 07/24/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dude, i dont even really agree with sending in the feds, but when you have literal months of rioting doesn't the president have a duty to protect Americans if their mayor's refuse? Doesn't the federal government have a duty to protect federal property? Doesn't every single state already have federal agents inside them and dont they have a duty to protect federal property and are obligated to uphold the law with or without the president's word?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MagicMush123]
#26843347 - 07/24/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Holy shit! I didn't realize the protesters were carrying out violent laser attacks. They've got some advanced shit, I guess. How on earth have the federal contractors survived for this long?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26843352 - 07/24/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought that was laughable too until i saw that apparently these lazers were so powerful that they're questioning whether or not these officers will be permanently blinded https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thepostmillennial.com/three-federal-officers-may-be-permanently-blinded-after-antifa-laser-attack-in-portland
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843363 - 07/24/20 07:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I'm trying to understand your positions. I don't give a flying fuck about you, personally.
Hypothetically, lets say you went out to a protest and the federal contractors gassed you and shot your buddy's eye out with a baton round. A few days later you go back and they gas your mom and shoot your buddy's mom with a bean bag round. At what point do your universal laws allow you to repel such invaders by whatever means necessary?
I'm trying to understand your positions as well. It boggles my mind that you keep asserting that the feds or the police started this.
In every dispute I had to resolve with my younger siblings or that I was in my self as a kid growing up, the question "who started it?" was pretty much the most important one for determining justice.
The rioters started this. I know some people say "No, the police killing george floyd did." But that simply isn't true. The damage police have done to society (minus the drug war, which the rioters aren't even protesting), is fucking nothing compared to what the rioters are doing now, and what they will CONTINUE to do if we don't stop it... and it will get WORSE.
These people aren't going to be satisfied with anything. Even IF the police were defunded, they'l find another cause to jump on an keep going at this point.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26843370 - 07/24/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Taking BLM's movement ALONE at face value, the rioting and protesting have been responsible for more black deaths this year (directly and indirectly) than cops have shot unarmed black men.
They're hypocrites in the form of an impartial hurricane. It doesn't matter if you support them. If your property is in their way, you're fucked.
They're not taking it out on the guilty. They are taking it out on innocent people.
Fuck if they changed their tune to "end the drug war!" and actually did it peacefully, I'd be out there, too!
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MagicMush123] 1
#26843372 - 07/24/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843380 - 07/24/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would you be happy if they said all lives matter? Or what pisses you off? That they aren’t pacifist or perfect?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26843386 - 07/24/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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But seriously tho im generally curious. At what point does the president have a duty to protect Americans? (Innocent people are being hurt by the rioting)
And what a point does the government have a duty to protect federal property? (Theyre repeatedly trying to burn down federal buildings, and sometimes even with people inside)
After 50 days of unrest when can the government draw the line and say enoughs enough?
Where do you personally draw the line between protesting and rioting? ( they're not synonymous)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Blind Ass]
#26843407 - 07/24/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Would you be happy if they said all lives matter? Or what pisses you off? That they aren’t pacifist or perfect?
What pisses me off is that they're destroying cities and their own local leadership is too chicken shit to stop them.
Seattle's mayor was on their side with CHAZ... then they came for her and protested in front of her house and threatened her. She changed her tune REAL fuckin' quick after that.
Portland's mayor is on their side with the riots, and the rioters FUCKING TORE HIM APART when he tried to join them on the streets yesterday. We'll see how he's feeling shortly.
Color me surprised? Fuck no. I expected it.
You can never, EVER, do enough for the ideologically possessed.
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#26843413 - 07/24/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: But seriously tho im generally curious. At what point does the president have a duty to protect Americans? (Innocent people are being hurt by the rioting) always
And what a point does the government have a duty to protect federal property? (Theyre repeatedly trying to burn down federal buildings, and sometimes even with people inside) Anytime such is in the interest of the public
After 50 days of unrest when can the government draw the line and say enoughs enough? There are no time limits in the bill of rights, but the government could attempt to accede to the will of the public which would certainly go a long way towards ending the "unrest"
Where do you personally draw the line between protesting and rioting? ( they're not synonymous) It doesn't make a lot of difference to me in the context of a country waging a soft war on its own citizens. One man's riot is another man's fight against an occupying force. At this point, I agree with Vahn, the protesters in Portland are justified in any use of force in order to repel the invasion of their city
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