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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: Phrontist]
    #26844799 - 07/25/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It's not needed, but it helps. If I don't mist at all for the 2nd+ flushes they end up weak, even if floated for a while. If I mist they do what I consider normal. The first flush misting usually isn't needed because there is already that nice surface with little beads everywhere evaporating. Subsequent flushes the sub is just dry and kinda dead looking but those little water droplets seem to help coax pins. I don't know why but that's how it's always been for me.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: Phrontist]
    #26845165 - 07/25/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Agghh that sucks  :um:
I'll make sure to not use manure for my next tub.. Is there any hope for recovering this one?? or is it pretty much wasted :frown:
I pasteurized it by leaving my substrate in a bucket that I poured boiling water in for an hour, then I hung up my sack of shit overnight and then used it in my monotub.

I guess I don't have no beginner's luck :sad:


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: hamie]
    #26845891 - 07/26/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

For pasteurizing you need to keep your substrate between 140-160f for an hour. That will kill off the mold spores and harmful bacteria while leaving the beneficial bacteria.

When you poured boiling water in that was 212f you started sterilizing your sub and killing off the good bacteria as well, leaving your substrate open to attack. You may have also left it too wet which would increase the chances of bad stuff happening.

I think I remember hearing some people have used sterilized manure successfully but IDK. 

When you use just coir or coir/verm you can just Bucket Tek it like you did or sterilize the coir in a PC or hydrate it with cold water. I wouldn't recommend cold water though just because it doesn't seem right and people say the myc won't colonize the coir as well as it does with some heat treatment.

I'd be surprised if that tub does anything at this point, as amazing as cubes are some times that thing just isn't really far enough along at a month to inspire hope. Does it stink in there?


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26846110 - 07/26/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ohh I see, that makes sense..
I think the water that I poured in was around 160F but I might be wrong.

And it doesn't really smell any different from the day I pasteurized it, smells just like rich wet soil. I touched the surface and it did seem a little dry though, I might just mist the lid a little bit.

I'm PCing another strain as I'm writing this right now, and I did a couple of more jars yesterday, this hobby is very addicting :crazy2:


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: hamie]
    #26846125 - 07/26/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ve used sterilized manure fine but it was pans which move much quicker than cubes, and I spawned in the SAB and wrapped it in cling until it was covered in myc.

Jake did some experiments recently and said his pasteurized subs got an extra flush before contaminating compared to sterilized.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26846182 - 07/26/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I've had this happen before because the substrate was too wet.  I simply opened the lid for a day or so to let it dry out and it finished up great.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: hamie]
    #26846190 - 07/26/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Need info on spawn to bulk ratio and top layer thickness to make accurate hypothesis of the delayed colonization.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #26847511 - 07/27/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok this might be very noob of me but I only layered 4 pint jars of spawn for 12 pints of manure + 6 pints of verm and a little bit of worm castings and gypsum. Is that way too little spawn?
I believe the thickness of top layer is probably half an inch.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26847517 - 07/27/20 09:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting :ooo:


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: hamie]
    #26847561 - 07/27/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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hamie said:
Ok this might be very noob of me but I only layered 4 pint jars of spawn for 12 pints of manure + 6 pints of verm and a little bit of worm castings and gypsum. Is that way too little spawn?
I believe the thickness of top layer is probably half an inch.




Too little. Manure and other additives unnecessary and causing more problems than good. Don't use top layer or if you "really" want to just use 1/4 inch max, just sprinkle on top to lightly cover grains. I don't do this, I mix everything and leave grains exposed. It's fine.

Use 1:2 or 1:3 ratio of clean spawn to pure coir. FAE and ambient light from start. Don't listen to blind people talking about CO2 and darkness and foil and other voodoo. They not stupid, just misguided by other blind people repeating ancient myths. You want fruiting conditions from start. And remember, no heat sources.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: KuroNeko]
    #26847870 - 07/27/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Ok noted!
Are you really from North Korea??? or is that a joke? If you are I'm really curious to know how common it is for people to consume mushrooms over there?


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: hamie]
    #26847932 - 07/27/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Western internet here is more illegal than drugs. Firing squad if caught because it's equal to spying/national security risk. Generally people have no idea about drugs. In Phyŏngyang some wealthy people smoke pot as luxury. Only in really deep underground there is knowledge of psychedelics etc.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: KuroNeko]
    #26848025 - 07/27/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I saw a show that claimed meth was basically encouraged there. And they had a black market risking their lives for American dvds. Wild stuff.


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: KuroNeko]
    #26849412 - 07/28/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Wow that's crazy..
I hope you're safe my friend, keep on the good work, it seems like you have a good grasp on this, and by the way your english is fantastic!


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Re: What's wrong with this monotub??? [Re: hamie]
    #26849425 - 07/28/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah man if you’re actually there then serious respect.

People trip about doing this in the USA, imagine having to sneak onto shroomery and then run grows at the risk of execution or being worked to death, and possibly taking family with you.


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