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Seeking Tek Involving: LC --> Grow Bag (no grain step, grains in grow bag)
#26842542 - 07/24/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So to clarify what I mean by 'no grain step' from the title is that this TEK would start with a clean LC, then innoc a shitload of it into a myco bag that already have the final bulk sub in it, along with the hydrated grains, all of which was sterilized appropriately.
I imagine you'd need a lot of LC, like half a quart per bag, but it sounds like the fastest way to grow. Not sure what this is called and I don't have the words to search / find it, I know Spore Works used to have a bag called 'Signature Select' that I believe was intended to do what I'm describing. Just want to find a Shroomery approved tek so I can read up on it and the opinions / arguments that follow
Edit: LI may be more suitable here, and ofc a similar TEK involving LI would be amazeballs
Edited by senescence (07/24/20 11:57 AM)
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Re: Seeking Tek Involving: LC --> Grow Bag (no grain step, grains in grow bag) [Re: senescence]
#26842550 - 07/24/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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As in you would have your grain and coir substrate all in one bag and inoculate that?
Why?
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Re: Seeking Tek Involving: LC --> Grow Bag (no grain step, grains in grow bag) [Re: Gan]
#26842577 - 07/24/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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In theory it'd be wicked fast in comparison since you're preparing and colonizing bulk sub and grains in the same step, and it'd probably be more easily scaled since you're just working on colonizing LC in bulk quantities now.
Your process would be: AGAR -> LC -> BULK (including grains)
As opposed to: AGAR -> GRAIN -> G2G -> BULK, or: AGAR -> LC -> GRAIN -> BULK
So you're just nocc'ing up your final volume directly, shaving at least week in your grow cycle, presumably. If this works as intended, I could see myself using it when I'd like to test cultures ASAP. If it works well, I could see myself doing this as my primary method and not spending so much time waiting for jars to colonize, and would instead start keeping a library/resevoir of LC/LI and just be sterilizing / nocc'ing up bulk bags regularly.
I would not fruit them in-vitro but would cut the tops off and move them into a greenhouse, FWIW. I know I've seen a few old threads there with some advocates for this method, just can't find a TEK (it doesn't sound hard to figure out, but the most valuable part of a TEK thread is often in reading the comments, IME, especially as people try the method). From what I understand, contams are a big problem when going this route as well.
Also, I'm not sure if it would really be any faster at all; I imagine LC/LI would not colonize a bulk sub as evenly or quickly as well mixed grains. This is all hypothetical but I'd like to give it a go.
Edited by senescence (07/24/20 12:35 PM)
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Re: Seeking Tek Involving: LC --> Grow Bag (no grain step, grains in grow bag) [Re: senescence]
#26842622 - 07/24/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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you should give this a read Updated Bottle Tek New and improved
I dont think you want to use half a quart of LC lol, maybe 10-20cc per bag
here is another link A pictorial to use spawn bags to grow pounds of mushrooms! No HEPA required
this TC grows in this style as well, then breaks it down into trays
idk about fruiting outside of a martha tho, maybe you can get the trays in a mono or something?
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Edited by Camera93 (07/24/20 12:45 PM)
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Re: Seeking Tek Involving: LC --> Grow Bag (no grain step, grains in grow bag) [Re: Camera93]
#26842656 - 07/24/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Great, thanks so much!! That post by Blue Helix was the exact one I was looking for (had seen it before, just couldn't find the darn thing).
Wonder why this style never really took off? It's always remained kind of obscure, but it sounds really efficient.
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