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Temperature impact on potency ?
#26841973 - 07/24/20 04:28 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shrooms (MS) that I grew in winter where the bomb. Shrooms grown during summer (MS and a clone from winter grow) are all shit. After some research it seems that lower temperatures promote slow growth and high potency. Is there any consensus on this matter?
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#26841981 - 07/24/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah pretty much. I don't know how consistent the differences are between them though but it's consistent enough to where some people prefer to always grow on the lower temp side.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Eminence]
#26841984 - 07/24/20 04:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lower temps generally correlates with increased potency. The commercial cordyceps producers grow around 55-60 degrees for this reason, it increases the active yield of their crop. I'm sure psilocybin containing species don't differ in that regard...
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Ok. Thx for the replies. I've been talking about this with somebody and he kinda explained to me how psilocybin is created through an enzimatic process.... bla.. bla...bla. And how that's why aborts are so strong. They stop growing but the enzimatic process goes on and that's why they are so potent for they're size. My question is how can I make my tub full of pins to abort? Since they low in potency I don't want to be eating them like oysters.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#26841995 - 07/24/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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interesting
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: AtmozFear]
#26842150 - 07/24/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I made a similar post but didn’t get any responses. From what I’ve read colder fruiting makes thicker smaller shrooms but I haven’t seen anything about potency.
However I did a bunch of grows in higher temps recently, 80-90f and so far only two have been tested but they were both weak. One was Tasmanian I ate 3.5g and felt almost nothing. It was the first time I’d had that so I figured bad genetics. Then my friend ate 3g Melmak which is known for potency and mildly tripped.
I’m waiting for more results on the other grows getting eaten this weekend. But unless it’s a big coincidence I think heat does mess potency. I could see if the shrooms looked weak too but these are the ones that were eaten.

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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: A.k.a]
#26842164 - 07/24/20 07:58 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I made a similar post but didn’t get any responses. From what I’ve read colder fruiting makes thicker smaller shrooms but I haven’t seen anything about potency.
However I did a bunch of grows in higher temps recently, 80-90f and so far only two have been tested but they were both weak. One was Tasmanian I ate 3.5g and felt almost nothing. It was the first time I’d had that so I figured bad genetics. Then my friend ate 3g Melmak which is known for potency and mildly tripped.
I’m waiting for more results on the other grows getting eaten this weekend. But unless it’s a big coincidence I think heat does mess potency. I could see if the shrooms looked weak too but these are the ones that were eaten.
 
Damn, that sucks. Those are beautiful. Wouldn’t drying them at 165*F be more damaging (if temperature affected potency) than just growing them at 80-90*F?
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: CrashTest]
#26842207 - 07/24/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think it’s the high temperature slowing psilocybin production while they grow or something.
lol I was so happy to finally get a good Melmak grow.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: A.k.a]
#26842303 - 07/24/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The dog days of summer are the hardest months to grow in my opinion. I struggle at maintaining acceptable temperatures in my living situation.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: A.k.a]
#26842304 - 07/24/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is really interesting. I have been thinking about this topic since it got warmer and my grow space ranges from 67F to 84F compared to 63F to 72F. I don't do a lot of testing but I have been told that the potency was low on one occasion. I also switched to a dehydrator at the same time.
I just wish there was more conclusive/scientific research instead of bro science.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: A.k.a]
#26842307 - 07/24/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think the jury is out on this one. With MS grows it is more likely the luck of the draw in terms of potency. Lower growing temps generally give "plumper" bodies but are slower out of the gates. Another benefit of the lower temps is decreased bacterial activity, giving the myc the best chances to colonize. Drying temp is another story. I believe (correct me if im wrong), that 160 °F is the max drying temp before the psychoactives start to degrade. The melting point of psilocybin is 428–442 °F for reference.
Tip: You want to dry them as fast as possible at the optimum temp for maximum potency.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: maxmush]
#26842313 - 07/24/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dehydrators won’t get hot enough to hurt them, people boil them for tea with no problems.
I was surprised how much growroom temperature affected cubes. Even in the low to mid 80s a good percentage of my grows suffered. Some varieties didn’t mind at all but others would abort the entire pinset.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: TheBoJim] 1
#26842315 - 07/24/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because of the illegal nature of these organisms proper controlled study won’t likely be done anytime soon. However I’ve actually noticed that often slower maturing fruits tend to be more potent. Now I’ve also noted exceptions to this as well, i had some very fast to pin and mature KSSS that were deadly potent, I also had some PE (we all know how slow that can be) that were stone bunk.
So I’m my opinion while the individual genetics count for most, it might not be unheard of that speed of growth (influenced by temps) could also play a role albeit not as significant as genetics. I can’t handle high temps so I actually run a space heater for the fruits in summer cause I try to keep the house at 65 or cooler. By the time it hits 72 on the thermostat I’m dying of heat exhaustion. That’s probably why I’m scared to move out of this frozen hell I live in most of the time.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: maxmush] 1
#26842328 - 07/24/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Using heat to dehydrate doesnt effect potency. Boiling in tea doesnt do any harm and that's 212f. I've boiled tea reductions for hours too.
Imo temperature has nothing to do with potency. I've grown dog shit shrooms year round and awesome shrooms year round. Summer makes contamination tricky sometimes but nothing I've noticed in regard to potency.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: mushboy] 1
#26842337 - 07/24/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds definitive to me.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: mushboy]
#26842347 - 07/24/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol mush. I’ve wondered about this as well. It seems the slower growing varieties are more potent genetically, like they know they’re going to be slow so they fill themselves out with psilocybin for defense. Maybe all cubes have some coding though that calls for more psilo production when it’s colder cause they also know then that growth will be slower.
That’s assuming psilo is actually there as a defense mechanism and not just a cheat code someone programmed into the system to allow occasional communication or whatevs. I’ve only got a minor in bro science I mostly just like to watch em grow and eat em
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Psilocybin is being discovered across the kingdom and is even popping up in lichens. It’s providing some kind of benefit. There is a Massospora species which infects and sporulates off of cicadas. They convert the abdomen to a spore plug and as the insect flys it distributes the spores. They keep it alive and flying by pumping psilocin and cathinone into it.
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/566324/
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26842423 - 07/24/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That’s crazy I’ve never heard of it occurring naturally in anything else.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26842440 - 07/24/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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cool, love knowing obscure info like that
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Just met an old dude (foaf) but only got to talk for like 5min. And he said that the ideal temp for cubes is around 61F. Based on what my friend told me about him I tend to believe it. Anyways I found out how I can make them abort but I'm hesitant to try it... I found an old thread where RR said that if pins are misted heavily and then the tub is sealed the excessive moisture will make them abort. I think I'm gonna stick to growing pans during summer time.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: A.k.a]
#26842492 - 07/24/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly, that's one of the coolest things I've read in a long time.
I'd be interested to hear his reasoning behind picking 61F. Like pasty said, due to the illegal nature most evidence on potency is going to be anecdotal and/or subjective.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Gan]
#26842505 - 07/24/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I fruited mine in the mid to low 60s all winter. Really the only difference I’ve noticed between that and mid to high 70s is it takes a day or two longer and I had way less contamination when it was colder.
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#26842520 - 07/24/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I fruited these at 60f.

They took forever and the potency was meh.
They were solid as f tho
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: A.k.a]
#26842576 - 07/24/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I made a similar post but didn’t get any responses. From what I’ve read colder fruiting makes thicker smaller shrooms but I haven’t seen anything about potency.
The fruits I got in winter where smaller. The biggest one was 18g wet. The clone I made came from a cluster and the fruit was 15g. I'm running that clone now and some the fruits are huuuge. This morning I picked a pin that was growing from the liner and it was 5g. Ate half of it ( my usual MD 0.25g) and nothing. The same happened with my last grow but since it contam before 1st flush I thought that was the reason for low potency. If psilo is used as a protection mecanism and is created through enzymatic activity it makes sense that slow growing fruits need more protection because they're exposed to dangers for longer periods. Also more time spent in the fruiting stage means more enzymatic activity and thus, like aborted pins, more psilo. But that's just my intuition speaking.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Gan]
#26842794 - 07/24/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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61 F sounds so specific haha. Is that better than 60, or 62? I wonder how the guy came up with that number.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Eminence]
#26843806 - 07/24/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I notice hollow stems in the summer.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: Eminence]
#26843873 - 07/25/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eminence said: 61 F sounds so specific haha. Is that better than 60, or 62? I wonder how the guy came up with that number.
Actually he said 16C but I converted to F so most people here don't have to.
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Re: Temperature impact on potency ? [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#26876285 - 08/12/20 03:56 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I spoke to soon about the potency. They're as good as the original fruit. Also got this beautiful big and sporeless fruits. Cloned 3 of them and the myc shows 2 different strains.
 
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