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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26841701 - 07/23/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ll concede that the one I checked was actually duplicate occurrence of well wishes but with a separate quote on a different date. I wasn’t lying, however I incorrectly addressed your quote. You were in fact correct. My apologies.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26841711 - 07/23/20 10:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I believe you weren't trying to intentionally deceive anyone, bro.  All good.

P.S. Gratz on 4,000 posts.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26841725 - 07/23/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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• Trump after firing Rex Tillerson: "I wish him well." - Mar 2018

• Trump after Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalization: "I wish her well." - Nov 2018

• Trump on Elizabeth Warren's presidential run: "I wish her well." - Dec 2018

• Trump on Bernie Sanders' presidential run: "I wish him well!" - Feb 2019

• Trump after Fox fired Shep Smith: "I wish him well." - Oct 2019

• Trump after Michael Avenatti arrested: "I wish him well." - Jan 2020



:thatsaten:

Every time evidence finally appears for something I'm debating, it always ends up on my side.  And my side is usually "let's wait for the evidence before making hasty conclusions.  Thanks Vahn.  :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


Those who said you have to take Trump's statement at face value were just proven wrong.

Should I name names and provide quotes?  Nah, you know who you are.




OHHHH so now you’re sure what his intent was when he says he wishes someone well. Give me a break.

I don’t really think it helps you’re argument if you’re saying wishing a sick Supreme Court Justice well is the same as wishing a notorious pedophile well.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26841734 - 07/23/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

And Trump wished Michael Flynn good luck

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TE1TH

Get over it. “I wish her well, frankly” speaks for itself.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods] * 1
    #26841735 - 07/23/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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OHHHH so now you’re sure what his intent was when he says he wishes someone well




Dude, do even LISTEN? :facepalm:

I can't figure out if you're just hard of hearing or if your modus operandi is to lie about what your opponents have said.

The ENTIRE POINT is that NO ONE is sure what his intent was when he wished Maxwell well.

Seriously, can you just for one second drop this stupid facade? Even if you disagree with us, you can at least have the courtesy to not intentionally misrepresent us.

The game is getting old, dude.



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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods] * 1
    #26841739 - 07/23/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, I'm not sure what his intent was.  I'm only sure that you were 100% wrong when you said:
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Good lord. Donald Trump has never wished his enemies well.

His words speak for themselves




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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Vahn421]
    #26841742 - 07/23/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Dude, do you even LISTEN? :facepalm:

I can't figure out if you're just hard of hearing or if your modus operandi is to lie about what your opponents have said.

The ENTIRE POINT is that NO ONE is sure what his intent was when he wished Maxwell well.



His modus operandi is to make believe (lie).  He has a strong reputation on this forum as the King of Make Believe, and though I've been warned not to call him that, he gets caught make believing in most every single post, so how can you fault me?  No one comes close.

Interestingly, natedawgnow accused me of make believing for not taking Trump's statement at face value:

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For all intents and purposes, the words were genuine and you should take them at face value




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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26841750 - 07/23/20 11:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I’ll concede he apparently does, although aside from Avenatti I wouldnt call those people his enemies. But, you still haven’t demonstrated that his statements were not sincere. Do you think his message to Ginsburg was not sincere?


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26841754 - 07/23/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Dude, do even LISTEN? :facepalm:

I can't figure out if you're just hard of hearing or if your modus operandi is to lie about what your opponents have said.

The ENTIRE POINT is that NO ONE is sure what his intent was when he wished Maxwell well.



His modus operandi is to make believe (lie).  He has a strong reputation on this forum as the King of Make Believe, and though I've been warned not to call him that, he is caught make believing in almost every single post, so how can you fault me?  No one comes close.




Wow now that’s rich. Calling me the king of make believe while making believe that words don’t mean what they mean.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26841758 - 07/23/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I’ll concede he apparently does, although aside from Avenatti I wouldnt call those people his enemies. But, you still haven’t demonstrated that his statements were not sincere. Do you think his message to Ginsburg was not sincere?




I think when your opposition is on their deathbed you develop an odd sense of sympathy for them, especially if you ever did any sort of drug with them ranging from alcohol to psychedelics. It reminds me of some Anime I've seen in my day, actually...

We won't know the truth until we do... if we EVER do.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26841760 - 07/23/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Where is the evidence that he considers Maxwell an enemy? She’s been accused of horrific crimes. He must have trashed her publicly somewhere, right?


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26841765 - 07/23/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Again, no one is claiming he considers Maxwell an enemy or not.  They claim was that you can wish people well that you don't like, and evidence was provided that proves this (see the Warren video I posted and tell me if you really think he likes her).


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods] * 1
    #26841770 - 07/23/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Where is the evidence that he considers Maxwell an enemy? She’s been accused of horrific crimes. He must have trashed her publicly somewhere, right?





Trump has come out on AT LEAST two different occasions to our knowledge to condemn Epstein Island. (I'm sure there are many more not caught on video.) In the process he also hinted at the future conviction of Bill Clinton and possibly Prince Andrew. If we was culpable himself, I don't think he'd be so smug. That's my opinion, of course, but the look in his eyes and his smirk cause me to assume he isn't guilty of the same shit they are.

I wouldn't call this hard evidence, but it's enough for me to be like, "Ok... what is his angle right now?"

EDIT: And these comments from Trump were ALL before this stuff went mainstream.





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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26841774 - 07/23/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Again, no one is claiming he considers Maxwell an enemy or not.  They claim was that you can wish people well that you don't like, and evidence was provided that proves this (see the Warren video I posted and tell me if you really think he likes her).




So you’re saying you can’t send well wishes to someone you don’t like and be sincere?

His words mean what they mean. If they don’t, then he can correct them and maybe explain why he didn’t take the opportunity to make a forceful denunciation of her behavior, instead of downplaying the level of their friendship.

I don’t think anyone should expect people to interpret their words in any way other than their face value. If you don’t want to be misunderstood, don’t use words sarcastically or as a joke. Especially if you’re the president.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26841779 - 07/23/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Again, no one is claiming he considers Maxwell an enemy or not.  They claim was that you can wish people well that you don't like, and evidence was provided that proves this (see the Warren video I posted and tell me if you really think he likes her).



So you’re saying you can’t send well wishes to someone you don’t like and be sincere?



Sure you can.  I'm saying sending well wishes doesn't necessarily mean you like them.  Trump very well may have wished her luck to not get 'suicided'.  Who knows?  :shrug:


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods]
    #26841784 - 07/23/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don’t think anyone should expect people to interpret their words in any way other than their face value.




I completely disagree, man.

First of all, everyone interprets words differently. Why are you going to assume your interpretation is the way everyone will see it? They don't.

So having said that, you have two options. You can let everyone interpret someone else's words and get one million different interpretation, OOORRRRR you can dig for that that person's intentions and then those one million interpretations magically all fall onto the same page if they're willing to accept the truth.

The trick is to seek for the speaker's INTENTIONS, not interpret it in whatever way best suits your narrative.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Vahn421]
    #26841788 - 07/23/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don’t think anyone should expect people to interpret their words in any way other than their face value.




I completely disagree, man.




I’ll take that as meaning you agree with you me


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: koods] * 1
    #26841789 - 07/23/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

One of these days I'd love to see you challenge my ideas in a thoughtful way. I'll respect you a lot more when you actually start doing it.


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Vahn421]
    #26841791 - 07/23/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: I am voting Trump change my mind.... [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26841810 - 07/23/20 11:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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One of these days I'd love to see you challenge my ideas in a thoughtful way. I'll respect you a lot more when you actually start doing it.




I’m not trying to earn your respect. You are deeply intellectually dishonest. Just like your :whathesaid: buddy.


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