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MrTinAZ
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Give me reccomendations of types to grow
#26841661 - 07/23/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey all!
I am currently growing my cubes in addition to some Pink Oyster Mushrooms. I love growing the gourmet mushrooms, the Oyster mushrooms look so cool and also taste great! I am interested in expanding my home lab and growing some more gourmet and medicinals.
Any recommendations on types you really like to eat? Or really like the medicinal effects?
I have some maitake spores but want to get more soon. I am thinking about getting some chicken of the woods but IDK what else I read about them and every single one sounds cool to grow LOL.
Any suggestions on ones yall like?
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: MrTinAZ]
#26841921 - 07/24/20 02:37 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Along with the oysters, try lion's mane, a lot of people are having fun with them lately. Great medicinal benefits too, some use them as a nootropic almost. Reishi is also really fun to grow and watch too, but I'm biased toward medicinals...
Try pioppino (Agrocybe aegerita) if you wanna get more adventurous, they're still easy to grow - but wait on the chickens till you have a lot more experience, they're tricky to fruit.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Forrester]
#26842447 - 07/24/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Along with the oysters, try lion's mane, a lot of people are having fun with them lately. Great medicinal benefits too, some use them as a nootropic almost. Reishi is also really fun to grow and watch too, but I'm biased toward medicinals...
Try pioppino (Agrocybe aegerita) if you wanna get more adventurous, they're still easy to grow - but wait on the chickens till you have a lot more experience, they're tricky to fruit.
Darn, these pics of chicken fried mushroom made from chicken of the woods looks sooo good, but I am happy to take your advice and learn more 1st. I just got some red reishi today! I will take your advice and get some Lions Mane. I appreciate your response, I was planning to get 1x of a bunch of spores and 2x of chicken of the woods but now I will hold off on the chicken.
also, what's up with cordyceps? I know they are not a mushroom technically but they are fungi, and they seem to have some great medicinal benefits that I'd love to have them for. Are they tough?
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: MrTinAZ]
#26842786 - 07/24/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cordyceps, along with Chicken of the woods, both used to be pretty high on the difficulty meter a few years back (chickens next to impossible).
People have made some great strides, I see a couple people on here are now growing Cordyceps, so that one looks doable, but I never have so can't advise. I think the secret is in the recipe, and doing them in smaller cups, there's a recent grow someone posted so I'd search for that.
Chickens I still haven't seen anyone that's mastered - there's a thread from a while back, I think the user's name was Drake something or other, he had some success with it but it was pretty tricky.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Forrester]
#26844409 - 07/25/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Drake made like 50 bags? Gave up on them and left sit in shed. Eventually went to throw them out and 1 or 2 fruited through the filter patch. They are very difficult. So many easier grows.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Quadman]
#26844938 - 07/25/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Awesome good to know, maybe I will buy some cordyceps to eat since the health benefits seem interesting. I will stick to my Oyster mushrooms and the maitake I already have, and look into some additional medicinals, unless anyone has other gourmet's to recco.
Going to get some Lions Mane next order. Any other medicinals that aren't too hard?
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: MrTinAZ]
#26844943 - 07/25/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrTinAZ said: Awesome good to know, maybe I will buy some cordyceps to eat since the health benefits seem interesting.
You can always just grow the mycelium on grain, millet/milo works great, then dry/powder/encapsulate and eat. That's all most of the supplements you buy are, powdered myceliated grain.
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MrTinAZ said: Going to get some Lions Mane next order. Any other medicinals that aren't too hard?
Reishi is really, really easy to grow. And one of the funnest to watch.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Forrester]
#26844969 - 07/25/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forrester said: Cordyceps, along with Chicken of the woods, both used to be pretty high on the difficulty meter a few years back (chickens next to impossible).
People have made some great strides, I see a couple people on here are now growing Cordyceps, so that one looks doable, but I never have so can't advise. I think the secret is in the recipe, and doing them in smaller cups, there's a recent grow someone posted so I'd search for that.
Chickens I still haven't seen anyone that's mastered - there's a thread from a while back, I think the user's name was Drake something or other, he had some success with it but it was pretty tricky.
Blindingleaf was actually able to get some to fruit once but it was a feat. He glued an old decayed chunk of wood onto the side of the bag where he cut out a big chunk. The colony used the chunk of wood as the pinning platform. Was wild.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26845007 - 07/25/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Blindingleaf was actually able to get some to fruit once but it was a feat. He glued an old decayed chunk of wood onto the side of the bag where he cut out a big chunk. The colony used the chunk of wood as the pinning platform. Was wild.
Ah, cool I must have missed that!
So it sounds like a contam of some sort that must trigger pinning, similar to SRA.
I think I remember Drake or someone else getting it to fruit thru the filter patches, which would go along with that theory.
Interesting!
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Forrester]
#26845050 - 07/25/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don’t think he ever posted it on the boards...probably in shhh
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: Forrester]
#26845893 - 07/26/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forrester said: You can always just grow the mycelium on grain, millet/milo works great, then dry/powder/encapsulate and eat. That's all most of the supplements you buy are, powdered myceliated grain.
Reishi is really, really easy to grow. And one of the funnest to watch.
Holy ish that is wild, I'm usually pretty vigilant about looking at products but I never even thought about that but it makes perfect sense. I wanted to learn more and did some research and found someone who looked at Reishi supplements 5/19 contained at least SOME actual mushroom while 14/19 contained only mycelium grain. And of the 5, who knows how many were ONLY containing mushroom, this research counted them if they had any mushroom content at all I believe so even the 5/19 mushroom containing samples could have been diluted with mycelium & grain as well. Now I am curious to learn more about eating mycelium and if it has any dangers not present in mushrooms or needs any prep.
I'm going to do the Red Reishi I have next since you said it is fun to watch, I enjoy watching the oysters more than cubes so far. Will order some lions mane and prob do maitake, lions mane, red reishi. Save turkey tail and some others for later.
Edited by MrTinAZ (07/26/20 10:46 AM)
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: MrTinAZ]
#26846408 - 07/26/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd be careful with eating colonized grain, it's a good way to get food poisoning. Hidden bacterial contamination is common, they have a lot of time to grow and produce toxins. Maybe the amount of dried and ground up grain in a capsule might be even to small to get sick, but then it might also to small to notice any health benefits..
Commercial manufacturers of mycelium on grain supplements get all their batches tested in a lab. Pretty much all fruiting body supplements come from China/Asia, not commercially viable to produce them elsewhere for the same price. Growing your own fruiting bodies and eating or making an extract of them is a safer, and more fun way.
The most important with cordyceps militaris is the culture, they lose their ability to fruit. So you need to buy a proven culture from a trustworthy place, or have a high risk of ending up with some fuzzy rice. I've seen someone get pretty decent fruiting bodies of cow from bags with a small opening, by just laying them in a forest. Apparently took a long time though, wonder if it's also a culture thing, or maybe a contam like said above.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: DutchMyco]
#26846426 - 07/26/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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DutchMyco said: I'd be careful with eating colonized grain, it's a good way to get food poisoning. Hidden bacterial contamination is common, they have a lot of time to grow and produce toxins. Maybe the amount of dried and ground up grain in a capsule might be even to small to get sick, but then it might also to small to notice any health benefits..
A valid point, I wouldn't recommend it if you're not confident with your sterile technique.
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Re: Give me reccomendations of types to grow [Re: DutchMyco]
#26846438 - 07/26/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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DutchMyco said: I'd be careful with eating colonized grain, it's a good way to get food poisoning. Hidden bacterial contamination is common, they have a lot of time to grow and produce toxins. Maybe the amount of dried and ground up grain in a capsule might be even to small to get sick, but then it might also to small to notice any health benefits..
Commercial manufacturers of mycelium on grain supplements get all their batches tested in a lab. Pretty much all fruiting body supplements come from China/Asia, not commercially viable to produce them elsewhere for the same price. Growing your own fruiting bodies and eating or making an extract of them is a safer, and more fun way.
The most important with cordyceps militaris is the culture, they lose their ability to fruit. So you need to buy a proven culture from a trustworthy place, or have a high risk of ending up with some fuzzy rice. I've seen someone get pretty decent fruiting bodies of cow from bags with a small opening, by just laying them in a forest. Apparently took a long time though, wonder if it's also a culture thing, or maybe a contam like said above.
Thanks for the warning and info, I greatly appreciate it. I am on the same page. I find learning about the science of things, or how things work in real-world application very interesting, but learning and doing are 2 different things. I agree that it is much more fun and fulfilling to create your own fruiting bodies and not take shortcuts that may be unsafe at worst at best ineffective or less effective. I've already read multiple stories about some people so desperate for cubes that they ate their mycelium LOL, IDK if it was cause they are impatient or cause it stalled but either way I was like WTF...I'd rather just throw the tub/jar away or in a tree well and start fresh even if I was desperate for cubes.
I live in a very hot & dry climate, but it provides decent conditions in fall and much of winter, and some of the spring, while summer is too hot for outdoors. If I learn enough and am comfortable maybe I will try chicken of the woods and/or cordyceps outdoors in the future but for now I will just stick to improving my knowledge and techniques growing cubes, and learning to grow more edible and medicinals since right now I have only done pink oysters and cubes.
I will get some Lions Mane spores, try growing the red Reishi I already have along with the Maitake I already have, and maybe get other color oysters if I want variety. That should be plenty to keep me busy =) thx everyone for helping me
Edited by MrTinAZ (07/26/20 04:46 PM)
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