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Vahn421
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26841324 - 07/23/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I already posted a website about Antifa recruitment on page 29.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26841325 - 07/23/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn 421; I have no interest heading into war-zones.
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Something tells me you havent seen a warzone before.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26841328 - 07/23/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Sorry, I got caught up in other things today.
https://joinantifa.com/2019/08/19/form-an-antifa-group/
Some key lines:
"If you form a local antifa group, you will be expected to do a few things:"
"Both the authorities and fascists will be interested in your group’s membership, so you should consider the question of public visibility carefully before you start. We strongly recommend against antifa groups being organized using the open, public model of most contemporary activism because of the risk of infiltration."
"In fact, we recommend that you stay anonymous both while forming and until your first action. Anonymity is your best defense, and you should keep it intact as long as you can...Use a “closed collective” model: this is a membership-based policy with no open meetings. Don’t allow new people to walk in off the street. Instead, develop a process for researching and vetting people who want to be involved."
"you might need a public face to talk to other groups, club owners to convince them to cancel Nazi bands, to meet people to receive information they don’t want to share online, orto table at events. To limit exposure, make sure one person is designated as the semi-public face, even if they never admit they are a group member. This limits how many people can be exposed."
"As part of staying anonymous, you should carefully manage your online presence. We recommend only using Twitter; it limits the amount of personal information you expose and makes tracking your connections more difficult. Facebook presents numerous, major risks for the security of your members and supporters"
I could keep going but you get the point. It appears American Antifa has become a lot more anonymous than they were 3-4 years ago when I was first researching them. They meet in private, keep membership a secret and it's actually a lot harder to find an American Antifa site than it used to be because of it. Despite that surprise, this should be enough evidence of the position I'm asserting.
Edit: All of this completely reminds me of the things Maxie told me 3-4 years ago about how Antifa was organized, but I didn't realize they were THIS underground now!
Edited by Vahn421 (07/23/20 07:05 PM)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#26841335 - 07/23/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Words hurt my feelings therefore I’m oppressed.
Also, black people need to get over slavery.
Man this sub should be sponsored by MENSA.
MENSA oppresses more people than Antifa, probably.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26841339 - 07/23/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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is that the american antifa master site? i want the american antifa master site please. and videos of antifas top secret meetings. this is starting to feel like that super high tech Spy Kids movie. is their secret hideout in a treehouse in suburbia? after looking at the site again i think i may be interested in joining or starting an antifa group wonder what is the secrst password?
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32 pages of bullshit [Re: Vahn421]
#26841344 - 07/23/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26841397 - 07/23/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I speculate that BLM was infiltrated as quickly as it was founded. The reason why I suggest that is because it doesn't address the root cause of most of their grievances- the 'war on drugs'!!
How in the world can anyone ask for better treatment from the police and entire criminal justice system if you don't even address the core issue, the 'war on drugs'.
When people proposed the idea of legalizing marijuana and the police unions opposed it, they specifically stated that marijuana gives them the excuse to arrest people and potentially find other violations.
Either BLM is completely incompetent or deliberately providing directionless protests while protecting The Elite's precious war on drugs.
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: qman]
#26841443 - 07/23/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Scumfuck Soros knows his money isn't solving this problem, it's more like his dollar bills are the coals in the furnace fueling the race and culture war.
To stay in power, they keep us divided and they're able to mask their insidious agendas by making them appear to be good causes.
BLM as a movement has been responsible for more black deaths than cops have this year. There's no escaping the movement's hypocrisy.
P.S. End the god damn drug war. If we could protest THAT and that ALONE we'd have TONS of allies in the street. Tons.
Edited by Vahn421 (07/23/20 08:03 PM)
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: qman] 2
#26841448 - 07/23/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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its still kind of early it will be interesting to see. i agree with you that there should be a greater focus on reforming drug laws and pretty sure most protesters do too
that sounds like it would be a good mission for antifa
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: Vahn421]
#26841450 - 07/23/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Scumfuck Soros knows his money isn't solving this problem, it's more like his dollar bills are the coals in the furnace fueling the race and culture war.
To stay in power, they keep us divided and they're able to mask their insidious agendas by making them appear to be good causes.
BLM as a movement has been responsible for more black deaths than cops have this year. There's no escaping the movement's hypocrisy.
P.S. End the god damn drug war. If we could protest THAT and that ALONE we'd have TONS of allies in the street. Tons.
i noticed he called it an "investment". it is highly suspicious i don't blame anyone for being skeptical of anything
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: MadMuncher]
#26841456 - 07/23/20 08:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Soros has a pretty bleak history, man... he is a genuinely evil human being. Anything he gets his grubby little fingers on needs to be questioned. Hard. He pretty much IS the money behind BLM.
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: MadMuncher]
#26841457 - 07/23/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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so far i think most BLM money that has been spent paid for food, water, and bail though but who knows. i would be interested in seeing where George's money goes
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26841459 - 07/23/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: Soros has a pretty bleak history, man... anything he gets his grubby little fingers on needs to be questioned. Hard. He pretty much IS the money behind BLM.
this goes for every billionaire
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Re: 32 pages of bullshit [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26841460 - 07/23/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, just about.
Your movement has to do some good in order to sneak in your shitty agenda.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26841574 - 07/23/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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Vahn421 said: Sorry, I got caught up in other things today.
https://joinantifa.com/2019/08/19/form-an-antifa-group/
Some key lines:
"If you form a local antifa group, you will be expected to do a few things:"
"Both the authorities and fascists will be interested in your group’s membership, so you should consider the question of public visibility carefully before you start. We strongly recommend against antifa groups being organized using the open, public model of most contemporary activism because of the risk of infiltration."
"In fact, we recommend that you stay anonymous both while forming and until your first action. Anonymity is your best defense, and you should keep it intact as long as you can...Use a “closed collective” model: this is a membership-based policy with no open meetings. Don’t allow new people to walk in off the street. Instead, develop a process for researching and vetting people who want to be involved."
"you might need a public face to talk to other groups, club owners to convince them to cancel Nazi bands, to meet people to receive information they don’t want to share online, orto table at events. To limit exposure, make sure one person is designated as the semi-public face, even if they never admit they are a group member. This limits how many people can be exposed."
"As part of staying anonymous, you should carefully manage your online presence. We recommend only using Twitter; it limits the amount of personal information you expose and makes tracking your connections more difficult. Facebook presents numerous, major risks for the security of your members and supporters"
I could keep going but you get the point. It appears American Antifa has become a lot more anonymous than they were 3-4 years ago when I was first researching them. They meet in private, keep membership a secret and it's actually a lot harder to find an American Antifa site than it used to be because of it. Despite that surprise, this should be enough evidence of the position I'm asserting.
Edit: All of this completely reminds me of the things Maxie told me 3-4 years ago about how Antifa was organized, but I didn't realize they were THIS underground now!
Nothing says underground like a web domain that asks you to join. That said, I went through every page on that site trying to join and there isn't any place where you can actually do that. It's just a bunch of advertisements for things you can buy from various vendors. Seems like more camp fire stories from you.
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Edited by christopera (07/23/20 09:17 PM)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26841652 - 07/23/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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MadMuncher said: .... btw how is anti-fascism a bad thing?
It's not, but sadly the far-left can't see how they are as fascist as the far-right, despite claiming the opposite. At least the far-right owns it rather than denying it and pretending to be the opposite.
You're confused about what "fascism" means. It doesn't mean oppression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
There are many names you can call oppression from the left, but fascism isn't one of them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26841679 - 07/23/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Semantics. Intellectually I understand your point, but if the behavior is the same, the label fits.
EDIT: It is the *irony* of their behavior that causes us to want to invoke thought and emotion by choosing to use the word "fascists" to describe Antifa(cist)'s behavior.
This is not to say the individuals in the group believe they are acting as such, nor that they always act as such, nor that they don't mean well as individuals... but it is a slippery slope covered in gasoline they are playing on and they've demonstrated just what kind of, "justice" they prefer when they are pushed against the wall on more than one occasion. Unfortunately, people's individuality is secondary to the mob's will with Antifa.
You can't judge a person... or a mob's... true character until they are in truly difficult situations. Antifa's track record as a group/mob when things go south is... not good.
Edited by Vahn421 (07/23/20 11:07 PM)
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26841782 - 07/23/20 11:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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*posting track record?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Brian Jones] 2
#26841787 - 07/23/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said:
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MadMuncher said: .... btw how is anti-fascism a bad thing?
It's not, but sadly the far-left can't see how they are as fascist as the far-right, despite claiming the opposite. At least the far-right owns it rather than denying it and pretending to be the opposite.
You're confused about what "fascism" means. It doesn't mean oppression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
There are many names you can call oppression from the left, but fascism isn't one of them.
He’s not a stickler for the meaning of words. It’s all about how the words feel.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26841801 - 07/23/20 11:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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koods said:
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Brian Jones said:
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Vahn421 said:
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MadMuncher said: .... btw how is anti-fascism a bad thing?
It's not, but sadly the far-left can't see how they are as fascist as the far-right, despite claiming the opposite. At least the far-right owns it rather than denying it and pretending to be the opposite.
You're confused about what "fascism" means. It doesn't mean oppression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
There are many names you can call oppression from the left, but fascism isn't one of them.
He’s not a stickler for the meaning of words. It’s all about how the words feel.
Correct! That's all there is as we vibrate into more psychic states. Perfect mental and emotional accuracy! We can't impose our own interpretations on other people's true intentions! You get them in the raw and without any room for misunderstanding!
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