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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26841253 - 07/23/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I can't prove Antifa has been secretly involved in the antagonizing of hot spots during the protests, but there's been a looooooot of breadcrumbs to suggest such.

One could argue these are Antifa infiltrators and agitators and they are not really Antifa, but that's what you get when you form a group without leadership. It gets hijacked pretty quick.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26841259 - 07/23/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
If people focused on the actual bad things Trump does, rather than the make believe bad things he does, I wouldn't be contrarian at all.

There's a LOT of make believe on this board for some reason.  :shrug:




And how many minds have you changed in that front with your current approach? I’m all for dunking on the liberal hypocrites but you catch way more flies with honey. You’d be better off highlighting those actual bad things he does than defending him from liberal charlatans.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 4
    #26841265 - 07/23/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I can't prove Antifa has been secretly involved in the antagonizing of hot spots during the protests, but there's been a looooooot of breadcrumbs to suggest such.

One could argue these are Antifa infiltrators and agitators and they are not really Antifa, but that's what you get when you form a group without leadership. It gets hijacked pretty quick.





Everyone look at this absolute rube.



Chomping at the bit to denounce the group of people that the entire media, ruling class, and political sphere have told him to denounce. Such a wild coincidence that the group of people that explicitly oppose the money and power of the ruling class have been universally denounced as violent terrorists despite never having actually killed a single person, while the KKK, the police, the Proud Boys, etc march on unscathed and even encouraged. Fucking pathetic.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] * 2
    #26841272 - 07/23/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I think that one should provide a link; after all, why not share the basis of your stance? Does everyone just assume (genetic fallacy) the content is bunk? Think its also in the forum rules.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26841276 - 07/23/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Vahn said antifa is fascist and actively hurting people and are organizing the protests


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26841278 - 07/23/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vahn said antifa is fascist and actively hurting people and are organizing the protests




Three! Ah ha! Three false statements!


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26841279 - 07/23/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, are we talking about my favorite subject again? (Me!) Cool!


I've independently come to my own conclusions about how things function in this world. I suck no one's dick. I first lost a slew of Mormon friends (when I left Mormonism 12 years ago) when I tried to have these same conversations with them. The replies I get from all of you are old hat. I know this behavior and pattern (it's hilarious how much you all act like fundamentalist religious people mocking the heathens), and it's boringly obvious that you all still think attacking me at my emotional core is going to have any impact on me. By all means, keep trying until you're all burnt out and I'm still standing. You have NO IDEA who you're dealing with still, it seems.

I'm used to speaking my mind and being singled out, even though I'm actually right. This behavior from all of you is nothing new.

If you CAN beat me with more than pathetic jabs at my character, you will.

But you can't, obviously.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26841282 - 07/23/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yes a great tactic for being a privileged moron is pretending you’re actually an oppressed minority.

Bonus points if you constantly shit on actual oppressed minorities.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26841288 - 07/23/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

To be "oppressed" it to inadvertently admit your words had a negative impact on me.

I know you guys like to project your own victim mentalities onto other people, but I know exactly what I'm doing and I'm no victim.

So if you wanna keep playing in the dirt, I'll roll around with you like a pig all day. Or you can reel it in and discuss ideas without projecting your misguided contempt and I'll meet you there, too.

Choice is yours, mate, but if your sword is out, mine is too.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26841293 - 07/23/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Words hurt my feelings therefore I’m oppressed.

Also, black people need to get over slavery.




Man this sub should be sponsored by MENSA.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26841296 - 07/23/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

i have no interest in reading or talking about you please shut the fuck up if you can't stay on topic. terrible technique. i won't read that shit thats like the 5th post you be made saying oh look its all about me.

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My government lets me say whatever the fuck I want to, up to and including bashing them to hell. Up to insulting cops while I'm handcuffed in the back seat.

This is not the case for antifa or the far left. Not even fucking close. Their collective ego would fuck you up hard for the most minor of speech infractions.

And censorship is just one angle of fascism.



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Government at the helm, will def support your take on ANTIFA. Should this group be broken up, IYO?




I don't give a fuck about antifa to the extent they stop promoting fascist bullshit. I have nothing against protesting. I have EVERYTHING against censorship of any kind.



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Yeah, I've never seen an Antifa member, either.  I've never read a press release from them.  I haven't seen any Antifa leaders on the news expressing their views.  I think Antifa is like sasquatch, reptilians, and illuminati.  Right wing conspiracy nutters know they exist, but they can't seem to get any proof.




I already said this once, but my ex's brother was a high-ranking member.



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And yet, you've still provided zero evidence that they use violence to silence anyone.




There's plenty of evidence out there from videos taken during protests for the last 5 years, infiltrators who have secretly recorded meetings and individual testimonies, and perhaps most importantly,  95% of them are far leftists.

To be far leftist is to support anfita. To be antifa is to be far leftist. They are almost synonymous. Not quite, but close. Kinda like murder and homicide.

FAR leftism in and of itself is the most anti-censorship group in America right now and there's countless videos, statements, tweets, posts and creeds about what they believe and how they intend to enforce it.




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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26841298 - 07/23/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vahn you said antifa is fascist and actively hurting people and are organizing the protests do you have any sources or evidence you can share besides some fairy tale from colorado? and do you have any interest in coming down to the protest tonight?




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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26841300 - 07/23/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Words hurt my feelings therefore I’m oppressed.

Also, black people need to get over slavery.




Man this sub should be sponsored by MENSA.




How to win an argument, by The Estatic:

#1: Paraphrase things his opponent never actually said.
#2: Create sarcastic joke that is an inadvertent jab at opponent's intelligence.
(#3: Provide no argument of substance whatsoever to the conversation)

#4: Pretend you've won something. Likely get dick stroked by other members who think you're awesome.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher] * 2
    #26841306 - 07/23/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

oh no now hes offended. he'll never shut the fuck up about his feelings now. were never gonna get an answer

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Vahn you said antifa is fascist and actively hurting people and are organizing the protests do you have any sources or evidence you can share besides some fairy tale from colorado? and do you have any interest in coming down to the protest tonight?







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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26841308 - 07/23/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Is Antifa a real organization, please provide the evidence?  Again, all I see is people that have already made up their minds on both sides and then either accept or reject any forms of new information. In other words, political discussions are mostly OPINIONS that could have some forms of evidence that usually can be dismissed for a large variety of different reasons. Or am I missing something here?



I completely agree with you, and I've told Vahn I'm a big believer in evidence (I don't recall supporting him on THIS particular subject).

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It seems when you provided legal evidence for the Russiagate situation, everyone dismissed it because they thought it was contaminated for one reason or another.



I don't recall providing 'evidence' for the Russiagate situation.  What I did was tell everyone else I wanted to see the evidence, but no one could provide any, until Mueller finally acknowledged he couldn't find sufficient evidence that the Trump campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26841310 - 07/23/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vahn you said antifa is fascist and actively hurting people and are organizing the protests do you have any sources or evidence you can share besides some fairy tale from colorado? and do you have any interest in coming down to the protest tonight?








They are not "actively" hurting people. They are a mob that loses control of its ability to think rationally once they gather and can be manipulated and controlled into doing stupid shit. This has resulted in casualties of all kind from theft and property damage, injury, and in some cases, death.

Antifa works covertly SPECIFICALLY so they can't get caught doing crime if it comes down do it. Their anonymity is their strength, and it looks like they've doubled down on it over the last couple years since I've dug deep.

Once they are in a mob, they become fascist because that's what mobs wind up becoming every time sooner or later.

I have no interest heading into war-zones.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26841314 - 07/23/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I’m all for dunking on the liberal hypocrites but you catch way more flies with honey. You’d be better off highlighting those actual bad things he does than defending him from liberal charlatans.



I did that once, but everyone agreed with me and the discussion ended after one post.  :shrug:


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26841318 - 07/23/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I completely agree with you, and I've told Vahn I'm a big believer in evidence (I don't recall supporting him on THIS particular subject).




American Antifa has become an odd exception with this because they function so covertly. If you read my most recent link and the quotes I provided a few posts back, you'll see why the dilemma exists in the first place. They've done a looooot better job moving their network underground than it used to be.

Getting into an Antifa network now is apparently kind of like getting into a drug dealer's network. They've really tightened up. It's actually rather impressive.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26841321 - 07/23/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

any evidence or sources you can share with us?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26841323 - 07/23/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

this sounds like the same fantasy ive been hearing from conservative friends and acquaintances a lot lately please show some evidence of anything youve said


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