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Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help UPDATE
    #26839257 - 07/22/20 08:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys! So I have transferred my pink oyster spawn to a bag. The mycelium has been growing like crazy, and seemed to grow from the inside out!
The mycelium is started to turn pink, and on the top I have lots of little clusters of pins forming.. the block doesn't quite look 100% colonized to me though.. can someone back me up on this maybe? Not sure if I should hold of on cutting the top off yet and putting it in the grow tent.

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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26839345 - 07/22/20 09:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That does not look fully colonized yet. If you are getting pins and the sub is not fully colonized yet. That is a good indication of contamination in the bag. I think you got something else growing in there it looks too fluffy on top to me. I grow on fuel pellets and I think you have straw there so maybe that is a common trait of growing on straw. I don't know.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839362 - 07/22/20 09:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for that input. Just today on the top it started to form like that also..
I do know people mainly use straw for oysters, but I used sawdust and hardwood chips.. that's good to know pinning before full colonization can be an indication of contamination.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839367 - 07/22/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

This bag was started on 7/14/20 and is almost done...



It is Aloha Elma not pink but yours don't even look close to mine when did you start your bags?


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839370 - 07/22/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The mushrooms try to pin and drop spores so they can survive. If they don't drop spores they will most likely die from contamination.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839380 - 07/22/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If that is sawdust it looks to wet. How did you test to make sure it had the right water content?


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839383 - 07/22/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I started these bags on the 7th of this month.. I used 1lb of spawn to 4lbs substrate if that says anything. Have you grown oysters or reishi out of curiousity?

I also have this reishi bag I inoculated the same way on the same day.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26839402 - 07/22/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yea that is ready to fruit Powfuu. Am I reading that right 1 lb spawn to 4 lbs of sub? I use a 4 oz spoodle scoop to 5 lbs sub.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839412 - 07/22/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That is all I grow is oysters. I have never grown reishi. Last year I was doing 40 to 50 bags a week.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839478 - 07/22/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You saying the reishi is ready to fruit? I assumed it was, but I keep seeing that they supposedly grow the antlers on the top in the bag before cutting the top of the bag off... but maybe since it is fully colonized it should go into the tent.

But that's awesome you were pushing that many bags of oysters a week! Hopedully I can pinpoint what exactly happened to this bag..


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839483 - 07/22/20 10:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You use a 4 oz scoop of spawn and your 5 lbs bag colonizes in two weeks??? I've always heard bags take like 30 days? I'm new to bags. I get my grain jars to colonize in 2 weeks or less, but 5 lbs bag seems like it would talk longer also. Like I said, totally new at bags though, that's why I'm here for this ad


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26839485 - 07/22/20 10:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I did not know that was reishi but I see where you said it is reishi now. I Do not know anything about when to put reishi into fruiting so you should wait and ask someone that has experience with reishi. If it was oysters which I thought it was I would say fruit it.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839497 - 07/22/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I use a 4 oz spoodle. I am sure the spawn weighs less than 4 oz. But anyway may bags are done in 2 weeks. Usually sooner but I wait a full two weeks.

https://www.amazon.com/American-Metalcraft-SPNP4-Stainless-Spooners/dp/B004FNQF2A/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=4+oz+spoodle&qid=1595480229&s=industrial&sr=1-2

I save a lot of time spawning with the spoodle and I get about 40 bags from a 7 lb bag of spawn.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839516 - 07/22/20 11:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

One thing I should note is I have strong spawn. I have Amycel 3015 and Aloha Medicinals Elma. Those are the two I mainly grow. Strong spawn will make a world of difference in colonization times.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839527 - 07/22/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Okay that is good to know about your spawn as well.. before I saw that I was going to ask what specific incubation conditions you do but I believe I'm doing it correct. I came from growing actives, so everyday I learn more about bags and that.

That 4 oz spoodle looks awesome and well worth it. I am definitely considering getting it, will make loading bags so much easier as well for now


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26839544 - 07/22/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I take the spoodle and place it in an empty spawn bag and PC at 15 psi for 20 minutes. This will make sure it is clean.

Here is another tip. It looks like you are using an impulse sealer. They take to long. Try using reclosable cable ties. When you go to fruit you release the tie let out all the air and reseal. Then flip the bag over and cut the bottom of the bag from corner to corner trying not to lift the bag. If you lift the bag you will get fruits inside the bag that will not grow properly. That method is for oysters...

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-Releasable-cable-50LBS-100pcs/dp/B004C4ZRIK/ref=sr_1_4?crid=5VKYRKC08L57&dchild=1&keywords=monoprice+cable+ties&qid=1595481966&s=industrial&sprefix=monoprice+cable+ti%2Cindustrial%2C165&sr=1-4

The cable ties can be put in the PC without a problem.


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    #26839554 - 07/22/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's awesome, I haven't heard a whole bunch on using the ties, I'll definitely look into this! I do have one more question while were here on oysters, I've seen people cut small holes or slits in bags for oysters, do you recommend just cutting the top of the bag off then like you mentioned?


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    #26839564 - 07/22/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

And what kind of fuel pellets and that do you use for oyster substrate bags if I can ask?


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26839567 - 07/22/20 11:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

No, don't cut the top off the bag. When I fruit I cut the bottom of the bag you know the side opposite the open end of the bag. I then place the open side of the bag on the shelving. The reason I cut the bottom of the bag is because it sits on the bottom of the bag for two weeks to colonize. So the bottom of the bag is tight against the sub. So if you don't lift the bag when you slice it that tiny thin slice is the only place it will fruit from and you will get fewer fruits under the bag that will not mature properly.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839575 - 07/22/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I use Premium hardwood fuel pellets. As long as they are hardwood and no softwood they are fine. I supplement with soyhulls 50/50 by weight. I bought a flow meter for like $35 that puts the same amount of water in my bags every time then I mix only once when I spawn. I do not mix the HWFP and the soyhulls until I spawn. It saves time not mixing twice.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26839591 - 07/22/20 11:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Let me clarify what I said above. I take 1.2 lbs soy hulls and 1.2 lbs of fuel pellets and put them in a bag dry. I fill all my bags that I am going to do. Then I go to my flow meter and put 3.4 liters of water in the bags by simply pressing a button and it puts the right amount of water in the bag. By the time I get to about 5 bags the 1st bag has soked up all the water so I fold up the 1st bag I put water in. I keep doing this until they all have water in them. I then place them in my steamer and steam them for 12 hours. After they have cooled for a couple days I take them out of my steamer and put one scoop of spawn in the bag and seal with a cable tie. I then mix the spawn HWFP's and the soy together inside the bag with my hands. But I mix through the bag so everything stays sterile.


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    #26839615 - 07/23/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ahh you did mention that before, about flipping the bag over and cutting on the bottom of the bag. That makes sense.

I'll also have to look into those flow meters as well. That would make things easier.
Thanks again for all your advice on the oysters, really appreciate it.


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    #26839617 - 07/23/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for that more detailed post as well!! That's awesome to know. After you fill all the bags, tie them, mix them up, do you ever mix them up again, or after you mix it the first time do you put it to incubate untell its fully colonized?


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26839637 - 07/23/20 12:31 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I only mix once.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26842762 - 07/24/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah those bags of pinks look like maybe too much moisture - possibly bacterial by now, how do they smell? 

Pink oyster mycelium can be pretty thin though, so it could be colonized at least mostly. 

Regardless, I'd put it in fruiting conditions and see what it does.  No reason not to really.


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    #26842835 - 07/24/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for chiming in. So the bag smells fine to me. I had a lions mane bag I made the same day that went bad, and had a sour smell from the bag... so maybe I did have a bit too much moisture.

With it having a chance of bacterial growing in it, is it safe to put it in the grow tent with the others though??


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26842874 - 07/24/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I would not put anything in the fruiting chamber that is not perfect. Fruit the bag outdoors or on a kitchen table by misting it.

Use THIS to get your water content right every time


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26843080 - 07/24/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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With it having a chance of bacterial growing in it, is it safe to put it in the grow tent with the others though??




What Shrooms said is the best advice.  But if you DON'T have another place to fruit it...

With molds and such I would worry about it spreading spores, but with bacteria I've never been too concerned.  Put it on the bottom so it doesn't drip to other substrates if you decide to keep it inside.

Bacteria/yeast/mold spores are all over everything anyway, mostly it's the health of your substrates that keeps them from getting infections.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Forrester]
    #26852614 - 07/29/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

UPDATE.

I decided to move along with this pink oyster bag to see what happens, also because it's my first grow with oysters.

I'm noticing the caps are looking a bit wavy, is that usual? Hoping you guys can chime in and give input on how they are looking and what they are needing or lacking.
Temps are 69-70. Humidity is kept at 90-94%, with FAE
Also, the first 2 pics or so are from 8 hours later, these guys are growing like crazy. A little worried about the fact I had to cut the top off and theres so many clusters and may not get big... learning as I go!


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26853640 - 07/30/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Pinks do that, they pin a lot and don't grow nearly as big as other oysters, so that's pretty normal.

Those need a great deal more FAE, as oysters nearly always do.  That's why the caps are so wavy and all you can see is gills.


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    #26853817 - 07/30/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

All that is great to know.

Good to know they are needing more FAE. The last small table top oyster bag I had grew really skinny and tall from lack of FAE, I'm glad these aren't that way. But will definitely keep up the FAE


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    #26857448 - 08/01/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I also want to ask, most of the bigger clusters are turning pale and have maybe seemed to aboard or stopped growing, while I have new insets of awesome looking pink oysters coming in.

Should the ones that turned pale be picked??
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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26857457 - 08/01/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Definitely did not get to full maturity




How can you tell?

Just asking because I'm not kidding when I say pinks, especially when they pin that much, just don't grow that big.  They probably are mature just really tiny.

Anyway, pick 'em if they're not growing anymore.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Forrester]
    #26857528 - 08/01/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Alright, I have spawn about colonized of more pinks, I think this time I'll make straw bags instead of sawdust hardwood chips, and I'll make sure they dont pin at the top like this bag did, and I'll only have a few small holes so I can avoid this huge pin set with all of that being said.

I guess I shouldn't have said full maturity.. I have posted pics below.
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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26857635 - 08/01/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That's kinda what I thought - those white ones I think are over-mature, and turning back into mycelium that's why they're white.  If it were me, at this point I'd probably just harvest them all.  You can eat the white ones, it won't hurt you, but they're a little past so I wouldn't.

But those bright pink ones are prime for eating, although small they'll be good!


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    #26857681 - 08/01/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

That makes sense they are turning white because of that then... I'll have to get it right next time. I'm glad I could have this experience though hands on and for your help!


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Powfuu]
    #26858164 - 08/02/20 04:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah pinks are a fun one to watch!  Kind of a novelty variety though - small size and pretty bad yields are some of the reasons you never see them for sale.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: Forrester]
    #26858783 - 08/02/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah pinks are a fun one to watch!  Kind of a novelty variety though - small size and pretty bad yields are some of the reasons you never see them for sale.




That is why I stopped growing pink oyster. They are also very thin with no meat. I tried everything to get them to thicken up, with no luck. I thought it may have been where I got the spawn from. But apparently it is a trait of the pink oyster. I will stick with my Aloha Elma and my Amycel 3015 much better yields and nice thick fruits. Color is nice to attract customers but you can not make any money from them.


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Re: Pink Oyster Bag pinning/help [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26858945 - 08/02/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Agreed, I think a few tossed into a "mixed bag" of other oysters might help it sell, but I don't know that you'd make your money back.


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