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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26839449 - 07/22/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think a tattoo is the most logical way of achieving the implied end goal. People willingly carry computers with gps tracking, voice and video logging and biometric identification functions without batting an eye after all. They can mine crypto too and count your steps for the day, and are easier to influence into people's hands than tattoos and rfid chips which have limited functionality.



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Also, I just wanna put this out there as a bit of a side rant: Idiocracy is a shitty movie. There are some good jokes in it, and I love Terry Crews' performance, but that movie is absolute shit. It feels like it's way longer than it is because the whole idea of "wow, look how dumb society got" gets old after the first ten minutes. I feel like the reason that movie is so popular is because it makes you feel smarter for watching it. I would know - I fell for that feeling when I first watched that movie as a teenager.

The whole movie is based off of a premise that's completely false, by the way: "dumb people reproduce way more than smart people, so the dumb people will eventually outnumber the smart people, leading to the collapse of civilization as we know it". That isn't reflective of reality at all for a number of reasons. First of all, there's no data suggesting that dumb people reproduce at a higher rate than smart people (nor is there really a universally accepted method for distinguishing between smart and dumb people - the IQ system isn't universally accepted as an accurate way to measure human cognition. Furthermore, tying IQ to genetics leads to eugenics, historically). Second of all, the idea that dumb people will have dumb kids is also false. I've met really smart people with dumbass parents and I've met rocket scientists with bratty, stupid kids. That movie is so fucking stupid, and all it does is make people feel like they're smart for not having kids and contributing to the collapse of society or whatever.

At best, that movie is boring. At worst, it's fear-mongering.


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26839464 - 07/22/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I cant provide sources but man pretty much everyone knows smart people have 2 children at most.


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: blewmeanie]
    #26839466 - 07/22/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think a tattoo is the most logical way of achieving the implied end goal. People willingly carry computers with gps tracking, voice and video logging and biometric identification functions without batting an eye after all. They can mine crypto too and count your steps for the day, and are easier to influence into people's hands than tattoos and rfid chips which have limited functionality.




Sensor 140 may be configured to sense the body activity of user 145. As illustrated in FIG. 1, sensor 140 may be a separate component from user device 130 and be operably and/or communicatively connected to user device 130. Alternatively, sensor 140 may be included and integrated in user device 130. For example, user device 130 may be a wearable device having sensor 140 therein. The sensor 140 may transmit information/data to user device 130. Sensor 140 may include, for example, but not limited to, functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) scanners or sensors, electroencephalography (EEG) sensors, near infrared spectroscopy (NIRS) sensors, heart rate monitors, thermal sensors, optical sensors, radio frequency (RF) sensors, ultrasonic sensors, cameras, or any other sensor or scanner that can measure or sense body activity or scan human body. For instance, the fMRI may measure body activity by detecting changes associated with blood flow. The fMRI may use a magnetic field and radio waves to create detailed images of the body (e.g. blood flow in the brain to detect areas of activity). The material



I get that, but when stuff like that is possible at the consumer level, non-invasive forms of the same will be as well. Body modification will be unnecessary to achieve the end goals, because people are all too willing to adopt technologies with incentives and benefits involved, even when they serve to overstep privacy boundaries. MRI implants and sensors under the skin will not be adopted versus the same technologies outside of the body which are already actively being used and developed, and which will have widespread acceptance regardless of how the technologies are used because there will be benefits to using them, whether monetary social or something else.


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26839473 - 07/22/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I cant provide sources but man pretty much everyone knows smart people have 2 children at most.



I'll believe the data when I see it.

Also, a piece of my claim was that there's no universally accepted method for measuring how smart a person is in the first place, so I would genuinely be surprised to see a legitimate data set showing the relationship between intelligence and number of children.


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26839496 - 07/22/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Feel free to replace "intelligent" with "successful" no stats needed. I'm blown away that you dont see this as a universal truth. Go ahead and tell me why numbers are needed for something everyone already knows though.


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26840007 - 07/23/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: ichugwindex]
    #26842628 - 07/24/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Feel free to replace "intelligent" with "successful" no stats needed.




How are you measuring success? By income? I think there's more likely to be data about that than there is about intelligence. However, that's not the point that's being made in Idiocracy, the film. That movie isn't focusing on the successful/unsuccessful division - it's quite clearly about the smart/dumb division.

Additionally, yeah, you do need stats for that. If you want to be convincing, you need to support your arguments with evidence.

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I'm blown away that you dont see this as a universal truth.




I guess there's always room for surprise in life.

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Go ahead and tell me why numbers are needed for something everyone already knows though.



Gladly...

"something everyone already knows" is a weasel word. It's not an argument, but it looks like one. Saying that "everyone knows that X" isn't evidence for X. At one point in history, "everyone knew" that the earth was flat. At one point in history, "everyone knew" that the sun revolved around the earth. At one point in history, "everyone knew" that disease was caused by demons and evil spirits. At one point in history, "everyone knew" that there were four elements rather than the hundreds we can identify today. What is considered common sense today may be considered outdated fifty years from now, so it's best to remain skeptical and always try to look at the facts.

I am always extremely skeptical of things that people ask I accept as common knowledge. I try to derive my beliefs from evidence as much as I can and, when I can't, then I try to be honest about what my assumptions are. So yes, if you want to convince me that smart people have fewer kids than dumb people, you're going to need to present some evidence. Saying that "everyone knows" smart people have fewer kids than dumb people isn't a very convincing argument.


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26842637 - 07/24/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fair enough. My bad I was being a jerk


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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: Nonagon Infinity]
    #26842645 - 07/24/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Cryptocurrency [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26842648 - 07/24/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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LOL, I use the term "what a little weasel" to badmouth someone doing something like lying, or fucking up.

A quick search produced some interesting articles.

https://www.worldvision.ca/stories/why-do-the-poor-have-large-families

https://qz.com/1125805/the-reason-the-richest-women-in-the-us-are-the-ones-having-the-most-kids/

https://medium.com/impact-economics/rich-families-are-having-more-kids-1c0b80d5a16e

https://www.compassion.com.au/blog/why-do-the-poor-have-large-families



Yeah, like I said, I think if we make it about finances, then there's going to be much more accessible data on the matter - mainly because financial standing is significantly easier to measure than intelligence / cognition / "smartness".

However, the movie I was criticizing isn't about financially successful people having fewer kids than poor people. It's about smart people having fewer kids than dumb people. Two very different criteria, IMO.


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    #26842657 - 07/24/20 01:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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