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Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs
#26839234 - 07/22/20 08:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive seen people get better results with no manure and straight coir/verm
Its my first grow and just want to get the best results.
Coir/verm/gypsum Or add manure?
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen] 1
#26839318 - 07/22/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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stick with coir. youll be fine do manure later for fun. do coir now for shrooms.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26839325 - 07/22/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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unless youre using these jars..?
thats gonna be a shit show. id work on my agar game if i was you.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26839460 - 07/22/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well as you can see I am doing both. I can show you my jars. They are doing just fine. You seem pretty critical of everyone so all I can suggest is taking a seat and telling me "I told you so" afterwards, of i do fuck up. I get only a few responses and follow their advice, but im also im reading my jars in real life, not the pics. Those jars have recovered and not a single sign of contams. I even open a jar here and there to throw outside and everytime its pure mushroom smell. No sign of contams and I am doing agar.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen] 2
#26839849 - 07/23/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those jars are death it's not me being critical it's trying to save you wasted time. I dont want to tell you so. I want you to grow mushrooms.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26839889 - 07/23/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree, stick to coir for now. It’s way more forgiving.
Unless like he said you’re not in a rush for shrooms then go for it. I’m just now doing the same experiment myself. I only ever used coir until I needed manure for pans, then figured I have it might as well try it out. It contaminates so much quicker though, I found that out right away.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26841614 - 07/23/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats gonna be a shit show. id work on my agar game if i was you.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen] 2
#26841621 - 07/23/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats gonna be a shit show. id work on my agar game if i was you.
I threw everything away. Starting over... Again...
It sucks less than cleaning a tub of mold. Trust me that shit gets old fast. Once is more than enough, after a couple dozen you get picky about how spawn should look.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26841883 - 07/24/20 01:42 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats gonna be a shit show. id work on my agar game if i was you.
I threw everything away. Starting over... Again...
It sucks less than cleaning a tub of mold. Trust me that shit gets old fast. Once is more than enough, after a couple dozen you get picky about how spawn should look.
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thats gonna be a shit show. id work on my agar game if i was you.
I threw everything away. Starting over... Again...
It sucks less than cleaning a tub of mold. Trust me that shit gets old fast. Once is more than enough, after a couple dozen you get picky about how spawn should look.
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mushboy said: Those jars are death it's not me being critical it's trying to save you wasted time. I dont want to tell you so. I want you to grow mushrooms.
Im just upset that no one said anything until I was excited. Fuck it..
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26841901 - 07/24/20 02:12 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is funny how you just get people bashing on you with no explanation.. Thanks guys.. All my mushroom shit is outside in the dirt. No worries..
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen] 3
#26841904 - 07/24/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forevergreen said: Well as you can see I am doing both. I can show you my jars. They are doing just fine. You seem pretty critical of everyone so all I can suggest is taking a seat and telling me "I told you so" afterwards, of i do fuck up. I get only a few responses and follow their advice, but im also im reading my jars in real life, not the pics. Those jars have recovered and not a single sign of contams. I even open a jar here and there to throw outside and everytime its pure mushroom smell. No sign of contams and I am doing agar.
You have 156 posts and you asked this TC with 20,000 for advice, and he gave you good advice, so you probably shouldn't suggest he take a seat or anything else. Don't burn your bridges.
Your response to him should have been "thank you".
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26841911 - 07/24/20 02:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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All good points from posts above ^^^. Concernig your original ? about manure -I wouldn't bother with it unless it was so abundant where I lived that it was always stuck on my boots. The only benefit of using manure in a grow is that it contains micro-organisms which are necessary to trigger fruiting in some species of mushrooms. Cubes don't need that. There is more nutrients in a tub of grain than there is a tub of manure. The concept that manure grown Cubes are more potent than those grown on grain is a myth. Hope you have better luck with your next project -don't give up!
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Brian Jones]
#26841949 - 07/24/20 03:17 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have 156 posts and you asked this TC with 20,000 for advice, and he gave you good advice, so you probably shouldn't suggest he take a seat or anything else. Don't burn your bridges.
Your response to him should have been "thank you".
Enjoy your guys little club. It doesn't seem to be getting any bigger..
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26841955 - 07/24/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay cool, he has 2000000 posts. He doesnt offer any real advice or why I should start over. He acts like hes the cool kid on the mycelium playground. Just being a dick.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen] 3
#26841959 - 07/24/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Forevergreen said: Enjoy your guys little club. It doesn't seem to be getting any bigger..
You shouldn't get upset so easily dude. Like you are being rude for nothing. He told you those jars are "death", for us that means only one thing = contaminated.
You have to be able to differentiate between orders and advice. He advised you something because he has a lot of experience and bothered to go look in your post history and see what was up. If you don't like his advice then that's fine you are (hopefully) a grown adult. You're not paying money here bruv, people are willingly on their own time pitching in and helping the community. If you cant even be courteous then you shouldnt post in these forums. Just do your own thing. And hopefully you will succeed with your shrooms.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: redhandmat]
#26841967 - 07/24/20 04:05 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LEts all be nice now
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: redhandmat]
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You shouldn't get upset so easily dude. Like you are being rude for nothing. He told you those jars are "death", for us that means only one thing = contaminated.
You have to be able to differentiate between orders and advice. He advised you something because he has a lot of experience and bothered to go look in your post history and see what was up. If you don't like his advice then that's fine you are (hopefully) a grown adult. You're not paying money here bruv, people are willingly on their own time pitching in and helping the community. If you cant even be courteous then you shouldnt post in these forums. Just do your own thing. And hopefully you will succeed with your shrooms.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26845481 - 07/26/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Let me tell you one thing. I too wanted some "extra nutrition" and "boost" from manure when I started and ignored veteran advice to use only coir and so manure only gave me problems and wasted my time. Lots of metabolites, weird bacterial contamination after first flushes, slower colonisation. Since I moved to pure coir I have no problems, tubs colonise very fast and yield shitloads. So pure coir it is.
Another thing. If you think you are smarter than people with years of experience then why even ask? Hope mushrooms you grow will help you with your ego.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: KuroNeko]
#26846236 - 07/26/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My first attempt with manure got contambruh before the first flush, according to the handy contam guide on this forum my pasteurization temp was off (it says this is common with manure, as too high temp can kill the beneficials). My thermometer was in the water rather than in the substrate, next time will be better.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: bernardfraun]
#26846614 - 07/26/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah cool ill fuck off. Once again thanks for just shitting on my grow and not offering a single piece of advice. Maybe mushrooms will help your ego too ya fuckin prick. Y'all just keep attacking me. So what im supposed to get on knees? Go fuck yourselves. I hope yall find some DMT and kill the stupid egos yall have on here. Ffs.
Its like a bunch of fat pigs making fun of a skinny pig for not being fat enough.
Hey. Fuck you mushboy and all your little fan bois. Fuck this shit
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26846642 - 07/26/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey. Quit being a bitch or get the fuck out. Your welcome is wearing super thin. Most people get it by now. You just keep digging further. NOBODY is being a dick or insulting you. I mean, yeah, I am now. But you kinda walked into that.
He told you to step up your agar game in response to your contaminated jars. That was the piece of advice. What do you expect? Baby needs more hand holdy?
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26846647 - 07/26/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are mad because TCs are trying to help you be successful? You need to take ur feelings out of these discussions and learn how to take feedback/constructive criticism. Otherwise you will just be back here asking why you can’t grow shit
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26846661 - 07/26/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont be such a wiener. Listen to what's being said.
Dont use manure stick with coir. Your current jars are probably going to mold on you.
Make more. Try again.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26846670 - 07/26/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your jars should look like this IME
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: CrashTest]
#26846694 - 07/26/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hes using oats it should look more like dis mon
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26846722 - 07/26/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh true, that looks great; his jars look murky af tho.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: CrashTest]
#26846727 - 07/26/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly mine ain't that great either
But I dont think bruh even has cube myc here
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: mushboy]
#26846733 - 07/26/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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But I dont think bruh even has cube myc here
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Through this screen those look like they’re full of murky water haha, but they don’t look great either way. I didn’t read but I’m assuming MSS to grain which is just asking for contams
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: CrashTest]
#26849578 - 07/28/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Taking spores to agar is hard in my opinion for a newb I don't get y ppl don't tell newbs to start with spore syrings to grain.ya I get it no spore syring can be completely clean cause u obtain spores from an unsteril environment.but wen I was a newb that how I started.ppl act like all of them will comtam. Not in my experience as a newb I ran 100s of qt jars of grain inoculated with spores mabey 5 total contamed.and all monotubs got 3 flushes was pretty easy then take clone to agar much easier in my opinion.for newbs all this is already hard enough I feel like that is best place to start
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
#26849783 - 07/28/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycobro420 said: I don't get y ppl don't tell newbs to start with spore syrings to grain.
Yeah we tried that here for like 10 years and the net results were just not as good. You're gonna have to trust the test of time on this.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Inocuole]
#26849844 - 07/28/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya I know alot of you guys want it done the correct way but IV read this dude threads he wasn't fruits an I figure that's an easy route for him.also if u get it from vendor the spore works I get fully colinized jars 90% of the time seems pretty reliable to me especially for a newb
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
#26849847 - 07/28/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gotta start somewhere right but agar is fairly hard with syrings much easier with cloning
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
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My first jars were MS syringe to grain. I made 9 and only 3 survived the test of time. The next set of jars I did spores to agar to grain and I have 10 out of 10. Winning!
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: SoupyGeorge]
#26850286 - 07/28/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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SoupyGeorge said: My first jars were MS syringe to grain. I made 9 and only 3 survived the test of time. The next set of jars I did spores to agar to grain and I have 10 out of 10. Winning!
And there's our testimony as to why that is how it is. 
Trust me, I did spores to grain to start with. Then I switched to agar and went from happy to get a few ounces to "omg pounds" real quick. I don't wanna have to get lucky to accomplish what I set out to achieve. Brute force with applied knowledge, like a human being with all of their species knowledge at their fingertips. <3
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Inocuole]
#26850887 - 07/28/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yup! No matter how many times you say it, people want to do stuff their own way despite all of your successes and many pounds of product. Maybe it is because nobody likes the #1 rule in this hobby -patience? Syringe to grain can work -until it doesn't. I've done it. But spores to agar to grain to bulk will rock your world 95%+ of the time. The small % of contams that show up can be EZ Lee be traced back to where you screwed up IME. Plus your chances of a knock-out canopy grow are real good with spores to agar, transfer to agar, agar wedge to grain, transfer to bulk. I have had (years ago) decent grows with syringe to grain jars, but NOTHING like agar work!
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: scarabaeus]
#26851388 - 07/29/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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My argument wasn't that spores are superior to agar.my argument also wasn't about the success rate agar being better than spores .it was about the easiest way a newb can get fruits witch in my opinion is still spore to grain.this guy is a newb he wants fruits not consistentsy.that part will come with practice.but IV had jars fail with spores but most of the time it's not many. as for yeild they are much lower with spores that is true. but the kid on this thread wants fruits an that's the easiest way to get them.iv never done the brf cakes I went straight to bulk.an like I said above I did 100qt jars spores to gain about 2 years ago and had only 5 jars contaminate.not to bad in my eyes.newbs will always fail or get confused a little bit.but that argument at hand isn't that I think spores are better than agar it's just ppl act like it's impossible for success witch I know personal it isn't
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
#26851395 - 07/29/20 08:52 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also how can a newb tell if they are transfer mold or mycilum or what tomentose or rizomorphic growth is.and spores on agar are never rizomorphic this will just further confuse a new cultivator. They wanna learn how to grow not how to transfer mold 10x before they have a few qts work.then after all that work get the same yeild as a mss syring.cause they have no idea what they doing. Agar is way better for many different reasons no doubt about that I just think it would be much harder for a newb to grasp the concept
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
#26851397 - 07/29/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I tried spores to grain from several vendors. Never worked for me. Agar was the only way I was able to ensure my grow succeeded. Some people roll 7’s all night before they lose big. I never had that much luck
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
#26851440 - 07/29/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycobro420 said: Also how can a newb tell if they are transfer mold or mycilum or what tomentose or rizomorphic growth is.and spores on agar are never rizomorphic this will just further confuse a new cultivator. They wanna learn how to grow not how to transfer mold 10x before they have a few qts work.then after all that work get the same yeild as a mss syring.cause they have no idea what they doing. Agar is way better for many different reasons no doubt about that I just think it would be much harder for a newb to grasp the concept
Well, I guess that's why we're told to start with pf tek. That way you can just inject and watch. Then you'll know what you're looking at.
Honestly, I don't see the issue inoculating a case of quarts and getting 8 contaminated. Those 8 jars only represent a dollar, and 5 minutes in the kitchen. And I can just bury the contaminates in the compost heap, so it's still not wasted. 4 quarts of grain is a good stash. Especially if you bury the spent substrate under a grass pile. Get about 6 ounces inside then it'll keep spitting them out until frost.
That means no agar, no sab, just willing to accept losses.
I totally get the whole do it right thing. It's a better policy. But lazy. It's not like this is our job, most of us don't need an ounce a day. It makes sense that people always want to take the easy way. We do almost everything "good enough" to get by, but not even trying to get it right
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26851479 - 07/29/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know they not the most reliable but all I'm saying is the kid wants fruits let's get him some.even if he inoculated 20 jars and only 5 make it that's a start.better that all the experts telling him go from spores to agar.and not knowing what he's looking at or where to transfer from.it just seems more confusing for him
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Soccrates]
#26851481 - 07/29/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spores to agar is not hard, it’s spore syringes to agar in particular that can be a nightmare. I mentioned that very early in this thread (actually it was his other thread) in hopes of preventing frustration and the OP thinking he was just messing up. Swiping spores from a print is pretty consistently simple in my experience unless you have a very dirty print.
I think forevergreen just got frustrated, took too large transfers and was using oats last I saw of his jars. Plenty of people love oats, many others hate them. They almost always colonized thin and weak looking when I used them and most jars were spawned to hpoo outside and then I switched grains.
I don’t really do anything “just good enough” I’m a collector of hobbies and I go hard on all of them. I don’t mean to pick on you Socrates but that’s a pretty limp statement.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Soccrates]
#26851491 - 07/29/20 10:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Honestly, I don't see the issue inoculating a case of quarts and getting 8 contaminated. Those 8 jars only represent a dollar, and 5 minutes in the kitchen.
Also I bet he would waste more time and money going from spores syringes to agar before he finally understand enough to get a clean culture and a good enough steril Tek to make it all work.for a newb it sounds like they would give up trying cause it's to complicated wen they can barley grasp how to do the bucket tek right lol
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Mycobro420]
#26851497 - 07/29/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I personally like cloning to agar I get rizomorphic growth off the first dish
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Roger Clemency]
#26853481 - 07/30/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mycobro420 said: I personally like cloning to agar I get rizomorphic growth off the first dish
That's a good simple route. Quote:
Roger Clemency said: Spores to agar is not hard, it’s spore syringes to agar in particular that can be a nightmare. I mentioned that very early in this thread (actually it was his other thread) in hopes of preventing frustration and the OP thinking he was just messing up. Swiping spores from a print is pretty consistently simple in my experience unless you have a very dirty print.
I think forevergreen just got frustrated, took too large transfers and was using oats last I saw of his jars. Plenty of people love oats, many others hate them. They almost always colonized thin and weak looking when I used them and most jars were spawned to hpoo outside and then I switched grains.
I don’t really do anything “just good enough” I’m a collector of hobbies and I go hard on all of them. I don’t mean to pick on you Socrates but that’s a pretty limp statement.
Do you cook your dinner fresh from whole foods daily? Or do you get what you find at the grocery store and roll with it, frequently over processed foods? It's generally good enough to just eat a varied diet. But to do it "right" we should be avoiding most of the grocery store. That's not even to mention the fact that you're not a gourmet chef.
Do you maintain exactly at the speed limit? Stop behind the line every single time, etc? Or do you just drive, make sure you don't get pulled over?
Fold every item of clothing to exacting dimensions, smoothing out every wrinkle? Or they're just folded neatly?
The list could go forever. There's not enough time to be perfectionist about everything, and you're going to be very stressed if you try. We call those people ocd,OCD, they in extreme cases like that it's considered a disability
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Soccrates]
#26853614 - 07/30/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26853654 - 07/30/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol and most of the best people too.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: A.k.a]
#26853870 - 07/30/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don’t drive the speed limit because they are set way too low in most cases. I also don’t overly explain myself on the off chance someone is waiting to nitpick my words. Life is filled with essential, semi essential, and totally optional things. If I choose to do an optional thing I do it right.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Pastywhyte]
#26855309 - 07/31/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Roger Clemency said: I don’t drive the speed limit because they are set way too low in most cases. I also don’t overly explain myself on the off chance someone is waiting to nitpick my words. Life is filled with essential, semi essential, and totally optional things. If I choose to do an optional thing I do it right.
So, then you drive recklessly, but grow shrooms flawlessly.
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Re: Substrate. Coir manure vs no manure. Monotubs [Re: Forevergreen]
#26855370 - 07/31/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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