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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26838766 - 07/22/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

jeez no wonder. look at the media coverage they consume. a bunch of fucking livestock.

feed you cowards
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-far-right-fight-portland-bar-protests

look what happens when you click the link to antifa
https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-far-right-fight-portland-bar-protests


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26838768 - 07/22/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I understood all of it.  I've seen no evidence of any of it.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26838769 - 07/22/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I already said this once, but I think you're lying.  What are the ranks in Antifa, BTW? 




Is your position contingent on me being a liar?

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26838771 - 07/22/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I understood all of it.  I've seen no evidence of any of it.




You think Antifa is in name only and they don't actually organize?

.........REALLY?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26838775 - 07/22/20 04:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I already said this once, but I think you're lying.  What are the ranks in Antifa, BTW? 




Is your position contingent on me being a liar?

Think carefully.



I don't know if you're a liar.  I'm pretty sure you're lying, though.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26838781 - 07/22/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I understood all of it.  I've seen no evidence of any of it.




You think Antifa is in name only and they don't actually organize?

.........REALLY?



I think it's a label you ascribe to anyone protesting police violence against African Americans.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26838787 - 07/22/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

In 2018 I was living in Colorado Springs right next to Garden of the Gods with my at the time girlfriend and her brother recently announced he was coming out as a trans woman and that he would be visiting family in Colorado soon to talk about it.

I let him stay with us because I knew he was a member of Antifa and I wanted insight on both how the group functioned and his take on the trans-issue. We also discussed Chile in great length because he had spent some time down there on an exchange. What he learned about the Chilean people and also how the white man had had its own influence on Chile greatly influenced his mind on becoming an activist.

I learned that they do organize in at least small groups and plan, but that they network online in much larger webs so they can all meet in the same place publicly when the time comes. He was apart of the group that tried to prevent Milo Yanopulus from speaking at a convention back in I believe 2017 when Milo said he was going to reveal the name of some illegal immigrants that were in hiding. (It was something like that.)

I remember specifically addressing Max's (now Maxie's), smugness when he claimed they managed to cancel the event with their protest and stop Milo from revealing those names. I pointed out that he (Milo) could have revealed them online if he felt like it and all Antifa did was disrupt traffic and vandalize property for a few hours.

He didn't see it my way. He couldn't because it would have meant all their LARPing was in vain. (It was.)


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26838791 - 07/22/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I understood all of it.  I've seen no evidence of any of it.




You think Antifa is in name only and they don't actually organize?

.........REALLY?



I think it's a label you ascribe to anyone protesting police violence against African Americans.




I conflate Antifa and the rioters unintentionally sometimes because their M.O. is almost exactly the same. The only difference is Antifa organizes things covertly and most rioters just show up.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26838794 - 07/22/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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How does one not allow protests that potentially turn into property destruction? 

I got news for you, cities are mainly conservative in nature. That includes 'liberal' cities such as San Francisco. So enough of this Democratic or Republican city nonsense.

The working class peasants in the city voting in Democratic mayors doesn't change anything. Big Business controls US cities, not elected officials. The sooner you learn of that reality, the sooner you can get off of this Democratic or Republican city false narrative.




Your first question is a good one that involves the use of more tear gas and rubber bullets in liberal cities because they have no (mostly republican) militia to protect it. (I say that unaffiliated. I just see what I see.) I've no sympathy for mobs that break the law. None.

I'm curious how you can say liberal cities are more conservative.

All I know man is that democrat cities are being destroyed and  republican cities wouldn't let that happen. Not just the leadership, but the citizens themselves have come out in my state to protect businesses from rioters and looters when they protest.

So far, it's worked wonderfully.




Well, here's the problem with more rubber bullets and tear gas. It's very difficult to pin point violent protesters from non-violent protesters just watching in the area. Today, everyone has a live stream going and law enforcement just can't attack everybody in the area and call it a day.  In other words, the protesters are now at a huge PR advantage with live streams and everyone video taping the actions of law enforcement.

Look what happened when Trump sent the troops on peaceful protesters in DC a few weeks ago, it turned into a massive PR nightmare with one no coming to his defense.

Also, most of these cops are pussies who want no business trying to stop the violent thugs. I watched the live streams, the cops went after the peaceful protesters that were a mile away from the people destroying property. The cops ignored the property destruction and went after the low hanging fruit. Cops don't want to get injured or killed, they always choose the easy way out. That means going after peaceful people.

So this scenario of getting rough and tough with the violent thugs isn't going to happen anytime soon. It has NOTHING to do with liberal or conservative leadership in the cities. They all know it's almost impossible to do and The Elite don't want anymore PR disasters on their hands that will just get more people hitting the streets.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
    #26838801 - 07/22/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Well, here's the problem with more rubber bullets and tear gas. It's very difficult to pin point violent protesters from non-violent protesters just watching in the area. Today, everyone has a live stream going and law enforcement just can't attack everybody in the area and call it a day.  In other words, the protesters are now at a huge PR advantage with live streams and everyone video taping the actions of law enforcement.

Look what happened when Trump sent the troops on peaceful protesters in DC a few weeks ago, it turned into a massive PR nightmare with one no coming to his defense.




A sound point, but I'd argue more people are on Trump's side than meets the eye. Speaking out in favor of any of this results in social media crucifying you. We'll see what happens on election day. I think more than half our nation supports Trump trying to break up these rioters.

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Also, most of these cops are pussies who want no business trying to stop the violent thugs. I watched the live streams, the cops went after the peaceful protesters that were a mile away from the people destroying property. The cops ignored the property destruction and went after the low hanging fruit. Cops don't want to get injured or killed, they always choose the easy way out. That means going after peaceful people.





The bar has indeed been lowered for all of humanity, recently.

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So this scenario of getting rough and tough with the violent thugs isn't going to happen anytime soon. It has NOTHING to do with liberal or conservative leadership in the cities. They all know it's almost impossible to do and The Elite don't want anymore PR disasters on their hands that will just get more people hitting the streets.




Again, I'd have to disagree to an extent. Any republican city under a population of 100,000 will likely have a militia of men and women (Patriots) that will take care of any groups of thugs trying to break their city up. It's already happened in a few cities, my home town included.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26838805 - 07/22/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The Antifa cats I knew were "organized" on a very local scale, at best. There wasn't any larger organization they were taking directives from. I bet the different local groups talk to each other nationally but I haven't seen evidence through interacting with people that were actively engaging in protest that there's any kind of centralized chain of command. It would be very antithetical for thousands of Anarchists to answer to a single leader via a top-down command structure.

I also see the interspersed violence more of a sign of a lack of a large organization more than anything. And / or psyops. If there was army style coordination, no one attacks or everyone attacks. Not a few people scuffling or punching a Nazi here and there.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Rapjack]
    #26838810 - 07/22/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Wait, what?  Antifa uses cats for ops?  That's fucked up.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Rapjack]
    #26838814 - 07/22/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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The Antifa cats I knew were "organized" on a very local scale, at best. There wasn't any larger organization they were taking directives from. I bet the different local groups talk to each other nationally but I haven't seen evidence through interacting with people that were actively engaging in protest that there's any kind of centralized chain of command. It would be very antithetical for thousands of Anarchists to answer to a single leader via a top-down command structure.

I also see the interspersed violence more of a sign of a lack of a large organization more than anything. And / or psyops. If there was army style coordination, no one attacks or everyone attacks. Not a few people scuffling or punching a Nazi here and there.




What you're pointing out is why the organization is so dangerous. They have enough of a web to coordinate places to meet up and protest worldwide, but no one to direct them what to do when they get there. (There are of course, small groups that know one another that still work together on a local level as well.)

They have the mentality of a mob once they gather, which cannot think rationally but uses emotions as the primary driving force of their will... and they are easily influenced by anyone who is one of theirs that rallies passionately behind a moment or cause.

In other words, this is literally the easiest fucking organization ever to infiltrate and subtly manipulate.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26838823 - 07/22/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

And yet, you've still provided zero evidence that they use violence to silence anyone.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26838830 - 07/22/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry that your girlfriend hurt your feelings but you shouldn't let that color your worldview to the point that you advocate for the police to commit more violence


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26838855 - 07/22/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sorry that your girlfriend hurt your feelings but you shouldn't let that color your worldview to the point that you advocate for the police to commit more violence




Just my opinion of course, but you really shouldn't be a mod.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26838865 - 07/22/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You are welcome to that opinion.

What led you to that conclusion?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26838869 - 07/22/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm sorry that your girlfriend hurt your feelings but you shouldn't let that color your worldview to the point that you advocate for the police to commit more violence




Just my opinion of course, but you really shouldn't be a mod.




It is kind of a shame that your ex girlfriend keeps coming up as a part of your worldview. She’s gone dude, move on.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26838872 - 07/22/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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And yet, you've still provided zero evidence that they use violence to silence anyone.




There's plenty of evidence out there from videos taken during protests for the last 5 years, infiltrators who have secretly recorded meetings and individual testimonies, and perhaps most importantly,  95% of them are far leftists.

To be far leftist is to support anfita. To be antifa is to be far leftist. They are almost synonymous. Not quite, but close. Kinda like murder and homicide.

FAR leftism in and of itself is the most anti-censorship group in America right now and there's countless videos, statements, tweets, posts and creeds about what they believe and how they intend to enforce it.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 6
    #26838882 - 07/22/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

if there is plenty of evidence then produce some or shut the fuck up about it


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