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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838647 - 07/22/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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My government lets me say whatever the fuck I want to, up to and including bashing them to hell. Up to insulting cops while I'm handcuffed in the back seat.
This is not the case for antifa or the far left. Not even fucking close. Their collective ego would fuck you up hard for the most minor of speech infractions.
And censorship is just one angle of fascism.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#26838649 - 07/22/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Government at the helm, will def support your take on ANTIFA. Should this group be broken up, IYO?
I don't give a fuck about antifa to the extent they stop promoting fascist bullshit. I have nothing against protesting. I have EVERYTHING against censorship of any kind.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838672 - 07/22/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now you're just making shit up. The question was what evidence do you have that Antifa are fascists. Do you even know what fascism is? You keep mentioning collectivism, but collectivism isn't unique to fascism. All societies are collectivist to some extent.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838676 - 07/22/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They are a small subset of political fringe....how many running for public office? You seem quite passionite about ANTIFA.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838679 - 07/22/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: My government lets me say whatever the fuck I want to, up to and including bashing them to hell. Up to insulting cops while I'm handcuffed in the back seat.
This is not the case for antifa or the far left. Not even fucking close. Their collective ego would fuck you up hard for the most minor of speech infractions.
And censorship is just one angle of fascism.
I can absolutely give you more examples of police fucking someone up over speech than Antifa fucking someone up over speech.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838688 - 07/22/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Now you're just making shit up. The question was what evidence do you have that Antifa are fascists. Do you even know what fascism is? You keep mentioning collectivism, but collectivism isn't unique to fascism. All societies are collectivist to some extent.
I'm going to repeat my self.
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Collectivism, intimidation, intolerance.
Let's not separate these characteristics. All need to be present.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838689 - 07/22/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: Thats because the states is so large and diverse. A lot of states are completely safe and experience relatively low murders while a hand full of states throw the numbers out of whack. 63 people were shot over the weekend in Chicago for fucks sake
Yes, most of the violence (not all, but most) is concentrated in cities with democratic leadership and democratic populations and is perpetuated by people that don't vote republican.
Correlation isn't causation, please demonstrate how Democratic leadership in US cities is the cause of the high levels of poverty and violence.
By allowing violent riots to continue. Minnesota is just shy of a billion in damage now I'd wager. It was 500M when I checked a month ago.
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What would Republican leadership do specifically to change that outcome?
Not allowing such childish rioting in their cities. (Or cultivating a population and a group-think mentality that isn't gonna do it in the first place.)
Naturally, there are other examples one could use, I just figured this one was pretty straightforward.
Leftist rioters are destroying their own cities. They aren't welcome in republican cities when they are done. They will be met, in fact, with fierce and likely violent resistance. It will not go like it has in Portland and Seattle.
How does one not allow protests that potentially turn into property destruction?
I got news for you, cities are mainly conservative in nature. That includes 'liberal' cities such as San Francisco. So enough of this Democratic or Republican city nonsense.
The working class peasants in the city voting in Democratic mayors doesn't change anything. Big Business controls US cities, not elected officials. The sooner you learn of that reality, the sooner you can get off of this Democratic or Republican city false narrative.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838694 - 07/22/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: My government lets me say whatever the fuck I want to, up to and including bashing them to hell. Up to insulting cops while I'm handcuffed in the back seat.
This is not the case for antifa or the far left. Not even fucking close. Their collective ego would fuck you up hard for the most minor of speech infractions.
And censorship is just one angle of fascism.
I can absolutely give you more examples of police fucking someone up over speech than Antifa fucking someone up over speech.
So you admit antifa does do it.
Because I can admit cops do it even though they're not supposed to. We attempt to deal with those cops and throw them out of the system.
The difference is that IN LAW we're not supposed to do it. Freedom of speech is our right. We need to uphold it no matter what.
Antifa doesn't care about freedom of speech if it hurts a fellow members feelngs. It's a micro aggression and hate speech and can be met with physical retaliation.
That's why the far left invented the word "micro-AGGRESSION" in the first place. To justify combating words they don't like with violence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26838703 - 07/22/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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How does one not allow protests that potentially turn into property destruction?
I got news for you, cities are mainly conservative in nature. That includes 'liberal' cities such as San Francisco. So enough of this Democratic or Republican city nonsense.
The working class peasants in the city voting in Democratic mayors doesn't change anything. Big Business controls US cities, not elected officials. The sooner you learn of that reality, the sooner you can get off of this Democratic or Republican city false narrative.
Your first question is a good one that involves the use of more tear gas and rubber bullets in liberal cities because they have no (mostly republican) militia to protect it. (I say that unaffiliated. I just see what I see.) I've no sympathy for mobs that break the law. None.
I'm curious how you can say liberal cities are more conservative.
All I know man is that democrat cities are being destroyed and republican cities wouldn't let that happen. Not just the leadership, but the citizens themselves have come out in my state to protect businesses from rioters and looters when they protest.
So far, it's worked wonderfully.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838710 - 07/22/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you're lying. I've seen no evidence that Antifa uses violence to silence people.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26838711 - 07/22/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: My government lets me say whatever the fuck I want to, up to and including bashing them to hell. Up to insulting cops while I'm handcuffed in the back seat.
This is not the case for antifa or the far left. Not even fucking close. Their collective ego would fuck you up hard for the most minor of speech infractions.
And censorship is just one angle of fascism.
I can absolutely give you more examples of police fucking someone up over speech than Antifa fucking someone up over speech.
So you admit antifa does do it.
Because I can admit cops do it even though they're not supposed to. We attempt to deal with those cops and throw them out of the system.
The difference is that IN LAW we're not supposed to do it. Freedom of speech is our right. We need to uphold it no matter what.
Antifa doesn't care about freedom of speech if it hurts a fellow members feelngs. It's a micro aggression and hate speech and can be met with physical retaliation.
That's why the far left invented the word "micro-AGGRESSION" in the first place. To justify combating words they don't like with violence.
Systemic use of excess force by a government is terrorism. Mob "justice" is also terrorism.
Everyone's right this time.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838723 - 07/22/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's very little evidence that Antifa is an organization at all,
You know who would disagree with that?
Antifa.
According to Antifa.org, Antifa is not an organization.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838741 - 07/22/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's very little evidence that Antifa is an organization at all,
You know who would disagree with that?
Antifa.
According to Antifa.org, Antifa is not an organization.
They get together, they organize, they plan, they execute.
They're just liars, after all. Kind of like how they say they are anti fascist.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26838746 - 07/22/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've never seen an Antifa member, either. I've never read a press release from them. I haven't seen any Antifa leaders on the news expressing their views. I think Antifa is like sasquatch, reptilians, and illuminati. Right wing conspiracy nutters know they exist, but they can't seem to get any proof.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838748 - 07/22/20 04:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They get together, they organize, they plan, they execute.
They're just liars, after all. Kind of like how they say they are anti fascist.
More barefaced assertions without any evidence whatsoever.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838756 - 07/22/20 04:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you are saying, that a huge swathe of thier platform, are lies? If so, why are you worried? The truth is indecipherable to the US populace?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838762 - 07/22/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, I've never seen an Antifa member, either. I've never read a press release from them. I haven't seen any Antifa leaders on the news expressing their views. I think Antifa is like sasquatch, reptilians, and illuminati. Right wing conspiracy nutters know they exist, but they can't seem to get any proof.
I already said this once, but my ex's brother was a high-ranking member.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26838764 - 07/22/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I already said this once, but I think you're lying. What are the ranks in Antifa, BTW?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26838765 - 07/22/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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They get together, they organize, they plan, they execute.
They're just liars, after all. Kind of like how they say they are anti fascist.
More barefaced assertions without any evidence whatsoever.
Bro your criteria for needing evidence is so whack.
I'm gonna repeat my self verbatim and you tell me where the unproven information is.
They get together. (With me so far?) They organize. (Have I lost you yet?) They plan (Still with me?) They execute. (I hope that one wasn't too hard to understand.)
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