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Tripteacher
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Strange trip
#26838217 - 07/22/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a question and don’t know where to ask. I cannot ask anyone that I know. I live in Alabama and am a teacher. I discovered magic mushrooms in nature 2 years ago, made spore prints and grew them myself. I d not drink and never used MJ. I wanted to use mushrooms to learn and expand my mind etc. I have taken different doses about 7 times over the last 2 years. Most were very pleasurable, euphoric etc. I increased the dose To approx 6 grams trying to “break through” but all I get is more clutter, strong electrical type vibrations, noise, distractions, Circus like overwhelming inputs (really hard to describe). My husband Of 28 years, who was very reluctant to partake has had ego death with profound revelations on less dosage. I do all the work, research, growing etc and he gets the trip that I want. The mushrooms are Psilocybin Cubensis from pasture in Alabama. They are dehydrated and taken using lemon tek. Neither of us have ever had any sickness from them. Any dose over 3 grams and we are incapacitated basically, in darkness with John Hopkins playlist. I am looking for someone with experience or guide that understands the “cluttered mind” That I am experiencing. I have ADHD and possible autism spectrum. I take Adderral and ambien only, No other meds. I thought maybe my receptors are affected differently . Any thoughts on how I can influence the journey. I know that you are supposed to get the trip that you need and not the one that you want but I feel that I am just getting “high”
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GordoTEK
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I believe it is quite possible that the Adderall is at least partly to blame, there are multiple potential reasons for this, in a very quick search I did find this brief discussion about it. You also mention Ambien, personally I think that drug in general is very bad news, and if you can find a way to get off of it, I believe you should (do some research on it). Again in a quick search I found this discussion and it does not look like it is a good combination with psilocybin.
So removing both drug interactions is likely key. But the other part of the equation is set and setting. I don't know what you've done so far in those regards, but it can't hurt to change things up. Since you mention the Hopkin's playlist, I assume you are familiar with their work. Have you tried their meditation protocol? If not I would strongly suggest it to you: The Hopkins/Griffiths protocol for psilocybin (enduring benefits)
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Re: Strange trip [Re: GordoTEK]
#26838358 - 07/22/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys are getting high. There is no escaping that. Now, you seem bummed out that your husband had an experience that you want and you feel as if you've put all this work in with little to nothing to show for it. Am I correct?
These things take work and time. Some people (as a teacher) have to take the long road to understand a concept or a skill. Keep at it and remember that the dose is not the important part, as you've crept up on the high dose already. Don't put to much thought and effort into what you want as you will probably find it and realize how foolish the endeavor was as it's probably always been near if not within you.
Enjoy the voyages to the beyond.
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While tripping, notice how experience is illusory - delusion predominate. See through the experience so as to not be fooled by it as something real & true - and realize that the same principle -more or less - applies to our normal day to day life experience. The extent to which you recognize this is directly proportional to ego-loss.
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I'd look at the medications first and foremost. Many things can affect tripping adversely and any pharma that modifies your brain function deserves to be the first suspect. So just try tapering off or stopping (with your MDs consultation if advisable) and then see what happens. You already have verified potent shrooms with a personal supply and your only real problem is that the trips aren't developing normally. 
Good luck!
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Putrema
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Haha, I had a similar experience approximately 2 weeks ago. I put all my supply together in one bag and was wondering how much it is. Someone wanted to see them so I showed him them. We began to eat. I ate approximately 5 little shrooms and he just some more. He was really tripping while I had just some airy sensations for example. After that I bought a fine weight scale and the current amount is 4,45 cracker dry shrooms. I found it funny. Yeah, but Im not helping you with your issues.
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Hey girl,
You need to get off the meds, and be clean for probably at least a month (will depend on your dose, and how long you’ve been on them). Took me 5 months.
But please do your research. Suggest checking with your doctor and coming off under medical supervision.
Come and report back in a few months. By then, 6g will send you to the Big Bang and back.
Good luck in your recovery DJ Ed
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Re: Strange trip [Re: DJ Ed]
#26838587 - 07/22/20 03:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Like Dj Ed & Primal said - both of those meds 1) a powerful CNS stimulant & 2) a powerful CNS hypnotic sedative - can both seriously mess with tripping. I know from exp. life & tripping are better off them than on them - but it takes a bit to adjust. But that’s something to be discussed with your physician and loved ones.
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ambien and adderal are both very bad drugs for you to say you only take those feels like you think perscription drugs are not bad for you and those are very bad for you. so many people say" i dont do drugs" ... but they do antidepresents are xanax or adderall show me someone who has smoked pot for 10+ years and someone who has done adderall the pothead seems normal and the adderall one is a few steps from being a methhead.
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redgreenvines
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agreed - coming off ambien and zolip will help put you in a less cluttered and noisy background mental baseline activity.
the dose is not such a big deal, you can even use a bit less.
the content of your trip is mental contents over time grown thicker, and as you observed yours was a hectic mess of seemingly disconnected fragments of experience.
the nature of your medication suggests that you want help to concentrate. this and wanting the result you think someone else had is a pitfall of our society. One promoted by drug companies and advertising,
you have to learn to concentrate on your own and to be delighted with what you are concentrating on.
that should be your meditation as you heal yourself from Madison Avenue and big pharma. Find something natural to examine and appreciate and let that be your next trip, for you alone.
distractions are part of it, there is lots of space and time for them, but find your little caterpillar or pond or flower, and let it be as amazing as you are.
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Vipassana meditation could help the transition off of meds. Lifetime depressive insomniac with ADHD here. Meditation eventually creates mental reflexes that can declutter or refocus what they call the "'monkey mind", on top of actually altering your brain structure and how it works with the CNS. I used to be on loads of SSRI's and Adderal but now all I need is a little weed and coffee for my ADHD and am quite sensitive to psychs. Would never dream of 6g! That would knock me back to the stone age.
Search S.N. Goenka if you're interested.
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microbiome88
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Did a quick search of the uni databases and found this - a couple of preliminary studies looking at mindfulness for ADHD. A little bit of corroboration for what folks above have said.

Edited by microbiome88 (07/22/20 04:41 PM)
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The Blind Ass
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Meditation without appropriate morality is dead. an empty ghost cave.
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Edited by The Blind Ass (07/22/20 05:27 PM)
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microbiome88
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Quote:
The Blind Ass said: Meditation cultivated without appropriate morality is dead. Like residing in an empty ghost cave.
Say more? (Or direct to reading material if it entails a lengthy response )
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Tripteacher
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Thank you. I do know that I should try to meditate in conjunction, butI have a hard time slowing the mind down. I also do want to get rid of the Adderral and Ambien. I was thinking that it might have to do with neuro transmitters. I hope in the future to get access to LSD and/or DMT, would like to see if they affect me differently. .
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Tripteacher
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I didn’t mean that these meds were good for you. I was just trying to give the full info, at one point a few years ago I was taking 15 different meds so I am kind of glad to be down to 2. I understand that SSRIs can inhibit the trip, I didn’t understand that Adderral could affect it. And my mind has totally changed in regards to those that choose illegal drugs. I am open to cannabis. We travelled through Colorado last year and we tried edibles, it just made me feel drunk and dumb.
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Tripteacher
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Yes I agree that we are getting high and I don’t regret it. It is incredible to have such a bonding experience after 28 years of sober marriage. I didn’t think that we could be closer. While I am a little sad that I waited til I was over 50 to get high, I can appreciate that I am in a good place and am glad that I didn’t die before finding psychedelics. I was just being painfully honest about my experience. I do not resent him for his journey, he probably needed it more than I did. I was just reaching out to this forum in hopes of figuring out what I might be doing wrong. I do not do this lightly, I have researched for years and do not ask for help easily.
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The Blind Ass
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All are welcome to try the experience
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Tripteacher said: Thank you. I do know that I should try to meditate in conjunction, butI have a hard time slowing the mind down. I also do want to get rid of the Adderral and Ambien. I was thinking that it might have to do with neuro transmitters. I hope in the future to get access to LSD and/or DMT, would like to see if they affect me differently. .
not significantly different you need to get off the pharma and learn to concentrate and just be, how to appreciate small things.
don't be tricked into wanting stuff
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InnerEternity
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Hi! I agree with others on the meds messing with the trip, but reading your post I thought about something else. It seems like you are taking the mushrooms expecting to have a particular kind of trip (one that leads to mind expansion and possibly ego death), while your husband who didn't have any expectation got exactly what you wanted. IME the most profound experiences come when you least expect them. If you get into the trip trying to make sense of what happens and to give it an interpretation that suits your expectation, it will only lead to confusion. On the contrary, if you let go and surrender to the experience, you get more receptive and that's when you start going deep into your self. This is particularly true for ego death, which you mentioned. Sometimes a confusing or negative trip at high doses is caused by a defense mechanism in which we cling to our mental representations because we fear what lies behind them. While if we let go we would find out that there was nothing to fear.
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Talk about unexpected.
I had eaten 4g and was feeling really underwhelmed. I started to get bored. Then from directly in front of me I heard a women's voice say, "oh you're back so soon. We already worked on this (checking a clipboard) and this is being worked on currently. You are going to be bored here. Let me show you something." The voice stopped. I found my self in the middle of space floating. There was this round jewel that looked like a galaxy and it was coming at me so fast. It kept approaching me faster and faster then I realized how big it was. Miles high and miles wide. I went into it and everything was illuminated so brightly. Next thing I know, I'm face down on the floor with a leg thrown up on the bed. I had to pee really bad but I just couldn't find the understanding of what that even meant. I eventually got to the bathroom and spent 5 hours in the shower splish splashing away.
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As other people have said, the medications you take could very well be affecting the trip in some way. Assuming you don't want to stop taking the medications, there are a few things I'd suggest trying:
1. Meditate during the trip (This has the potential to take you significantly deeper down the rabbit hole)
2. Smoke weed on the come-up (Weed greatly potentiates psychedelics and can help induce ego death, but it can also cause paranoia and thought loops so use with caution)
3. Try a different psychedelic (If mushrooms aren't giving you the experience you want, you might consider trying LSD, Mescaline, DMT, or Ayahuasca)
Good luck!
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