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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26837927 - 07/22/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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We had around 17,000 murders last year in cold blood.

Police shot and killed around 1,000 people last year.




That would be almost 6%
What about police killings not involving a firearm?




It's not 6%. Most of those men were armed and a threat to a cop's life.

It's more like 0.6%


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837928 - 07/22/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If there's no police, there's no law to enforce.

What do you think comes next?



No police
No laws.
No crime.

I find it amusing how you always manage to prove the thing you’re arguing against. At least using your own stupid logic.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26837933 - 07/22/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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We had around 17,000 murders last year in cold blood.

Police shot and killed around 1,000 people last year.




That would be almost 6%
What about police killings not involving a firearm?



Let's apply the alt-right math here:

6% of all killings are done by cops.
Cops represent less than 1/3 of a percent of the population.

That tells us that cops are more likely to kill than any other demographic.  We are right to fear cops.  We are right to discriminate against them.  They're naturally more violent, have poor-impulse control, and generally a drain on society.  Their culture is one of violence.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
    #26837934 - 07/22/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I mean Koods isn't wrong.

Can't call murder crime if there's no law.

Can't call rape crime if there's no law.

Can't call theft crime if there's no law.

So for the complete braindead on this board who seem to REALLY struggle with the nuances of words, let's rephrase.

Murder, theft, rape and violence all go WAY up without a power of "law" to keep them in check.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837936 - 07/22/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Murder, theft, rape and violence all go WAY up without a power of "law" to keep them in check.



Again I ask:  Anything other that your a priori opinion to support this claim?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26837938 - 07/22/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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We had around 17,000 murders last year in cold blood.

Police shot and killed around 1,000 people last year.




That would be almost 6%
What about police killings not involving a firearm?



Let's apply the alt-right math here:

6% of all killings are done by cops.
Cops represent less than 1/3 of a percent of the population.

That tells us that cops are more likely to kill than any other demographic.  We are right to fear cops.  We are right to discriminate against them.  They're naturally more violent, have poor-impulse control, and generally a drain on society.




This is completely disingenuous and borderline maliciously deceptive.

While you're sitting in your cushy chair making $500 over one phone call, cops are out there risking their lives to protect and serve us for pennies on your dollars.

I hope someday you need the cops and they don't come.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26837939 - 07/22/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Also the other thing I think you're trying to say mr mushy is that rioting DOES NOT fall within your first amendment rights. That is also correct.



I think we all understood that was MagicMush123's point, but Enlil LOVES his semantics victories.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837946 - 07/22/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You really ARE a lawyer. You know how to say things with deceptive nuance



It didn't take you long to figure that out.  :smirk:


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26837951 - 07/22/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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While you're sitting in your cushy chair making $500 over one phone call, cops are out there risking their lives to protect and serve us for pennies on your dollars.

I hope someday you need the cops and they don't come.



I have waited over 2 hours for cops to come as I held a man's skull together in my lap.  He died before anyone arrived.

Are you saying that there are societal factors at play that make cops more likely to find themselves in situations involving violence? Are you saying that cops might not be wholly to blame for the fact that they are disproportionately involved in violence?  That sounds like liberal bullshit to me.  We did cops a favor when we brought them over from Copfrica.  They live much better here than they did there.  This is how they repay us?  By shooting people in the streets?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26837957 - 07/22/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I have waited over 2 hours for cops to come as I held a man's skull together in my lap.  He died before anyone arrived.




Uhm... ok... serious moment for a second here. Debate aside, I'm sorry you had to go through that trauma. That's seriously fucked up. Like, I don't even know what to say, dwelling on that.


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Having said that... I think you called the wrong people...


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837963 - 07/22/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Look dude, I'm not anti-police reform, but when you say things like the only good cop is a dead cop, or that cops are the only ones that shouldn't have guns, do you think I'm going to take debate skills seriously? (Let alone your code of morality or your grasp on how the world actually works.)

I can tolerate your lack of nuance despite finding it deplorable... but it makes me figure you're either completely naive or just have a chip that is so big on your shoulder you can't see straight on this issue.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837966 - 07/22/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I have waited over 2 hours for cops to come as I held a man's skull together in my lap.  He died before anyone arrived.




Uhm... ok... serious moment for a second here. Debate aside, I'm sorry you had to go through that trauma. That's seriously fucked up. Like, I don't even know what to say, dwelling on that.


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Having said that... I think you called the wrong people...



Oh I did.  If I had called the neighbor two doors down for help, there would have been three trucks there in minutes with local homeboys from the local gang to take him to the hospital.



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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26837967 - 07/22/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Just so your position is clear, you think we'll be better off without 911?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837968 - 07/22/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Look dude, I'm not anti-police reform, but when you say things like the only good cop is a dead cop, or that cops are the only ones that shouldn't have guns, do you think I'm going to take debate skills seriously? (Let alone your code of morality or your grasp on how the world actually works.)

I can tolerate your lack of nuance despite finding it deplorable... but it makes me figure you're either completely naive or just have a chip that is so big on your shoulder you can't see straight on this issue.



Again, my morality and lack of nuance aren't at issue. 

And if you want to know, you don't really think that I became a lawyer hating all cops, do you?  My opinion about cops has been shaped by events I've seen in the last few years.  Cops choose to be cops knowing full well that cops are an oppressive force of an oppressive government.  That's deplorable.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 2
    #26837971 - 07/22/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Just so your position is clear, you think we'll be better off without 911?



No.  I think we'd be better off if 911 connected us to people trained and ready to help instead of people trained and ready to kill/maim.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26837976 - 07/22/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Also the other thing I think you're trying to say mr mushy is that rioting DOES NOT fall within your first amendment rights. That is also correct.



I think we all understood that was MagicMush123's point, but Enlil LOVES his semantics victories.




You have this habit of explaining away other people’s words when you don’t find them convenient. Magicmush was pretty clear. He thinks you lose your rights if you engage in certain behaviors.

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We are discussing protesting vs rioting.  One is legal and protected by the 1st amendment and the latter waives your 1st amendment right.




Remember just the other day when you told us that Putin saying that he wanted Trump to win the election did not really mean he wanted trump to win the election?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26837978 - 07/22/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Cops choose to be cops knowing full well that cops are an oppressive force of an oppressive government.  That's deplorable.




To the extent that those are the reason cops join their police force, I'd be on your side.

But I'd argue what you've seen is not representative of policing in America as a whole. My personal experience with police and the people I know would clash with yours. I try to take the whole picture in, not JUST my personal experience.

I find police in need of reform, obviously, but that they are overall a net positive on society.

It's not emotions. It's not personal experience. It's pure math and statistics for me.

Poor people especially need the cops. Like, really, really, really.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26837984 - 07/22/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You have this habit of explaining away other people’s words when you don’t find them convenient. Magicmush was pretty clear. He thinks you lose your rights if you engage in certain behaviors.





Holy shit, I just learned something huge about Koods and how he takes in the words of others.

LOL, bro, you don't go fishing for what a person is TRYING to say at all, do you?

Also, does anyone here actually try to read INTENT from other posters..? Ya know, whether or not they are sincere and just off or actually maliciously trying to deceive? There IS a difference, you know.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837986 - 07/22/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Look dude, I'm not anti-police reform, but when you say things like the only good cop is a dead cop do you think I'm going to take debate skills seriously?



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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837989 - 07/22/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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We had around 17,000 murders last year in cold blood.

Police shot and killed around 1,000 people last year.




That would be almost 6%
What about police killings not involving a firearm?



Let's apply the alt-right math here:

6% of all killings are done by cops.
Cops represent less than 1/3 of a percent of the population.

That tells us that cops are more likely to kill than any other demographic.  We are right to fear cops.  We are right to discriminate against them.  They're naturally more violent, have poor-impulse control, and generally a drain on society.




This is completely disingenuous and borderline maliciously deceptive.

While you're sitting in your cushy chair making $500 over one phone call, cops are out there risking their lives to protect and serve us for pennies on your dollars.

I hope someday you need the cops and they don't come.




Actually it’s closer to 8%. Is it deceptive? The people killed by cops are still dead. The fact is that cops are the most dangerous demographic in the country. It’s not even the most dangerous job. You’re more likely to die as a truck driver or doing construction. I don’t see construction workers killing three to four people a day.


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