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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26837135 - 07/21/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

He's just crying about something from months ago.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26837160 - 07/21/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26837166 - 07/21/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

In other words, you support no cops and most protesters.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837195 - 07/21/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So you don’t support any cops


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26837197 - 07/21/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

@Shiva

Let me add a caveat to a lot of the thing we've discussed.

If I believed humans were trustworthy creatures that could handle themselves without law, I'd be anarchist, too. An anarchist/Gnostic, to be precise.

However, I don't believe humans vibrate on that level yet, collectively. In order to get humans up to speed in a matter of years, the only solution is massive, MASSIVE worldwide suffering.

I don't advocate that solution, so in the meantime I begrudgingly advocate for a system of law to keep most of the monkeys in line.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837202 - 07/21/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You’re so chill about your advocacy of tyranny


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837205 - 07/21/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If I believed humans were trustworthy creatures



So what makes cops special? They're human.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26837212 - 07/21/20 10:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

The rules don’t apply to them. Isn’t that special?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26837215 - 07/21/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You’re so chill about your advocacy of tyranny




I think the error here is assuming without police, there will be no tyranny.

My position is simple: The tyranny that would replace it would be much worse.

Convince me otherwise and I'll change my mind. It's seriously that simple with me.

I already told you, humans aren't ready to govern ourselves yet. I do have faith they can be ready as a species someday, but we're not there yet. (But if you as an individual can vibrate above the law and not harm the innocent in the process, I'm not one to argue. Too bad the rioters haven't figured out how to do that yet.)


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26837218 - 07/21/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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If I believed humans were trustworthy creatures



So what makes cops special? They're human.




Nothing.

This is why our founding fathers separated government into three branches. Because no one consolidation of power COULD be trusted.

This is why one branch writes the law that allows another branch of law to write you a ticket or arrest you and then you appear before a judge who is part of a THIRD branch of government that determines whether or not the arrest/ticket was just.

This is the best we got, man.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26837222 - 07/21/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:


If I believed humans were trustworthy creatures



So what makes cops special? They're human.




Nothing.

This is why our founding fathers separated government into three branches. Because no one consolidation of power COULD be trusted.

This is why one branch writes the law that allows another branch of law to arrest you and then you appear before a judge who is part of a THIRD branch of government to see if the arrest was just.

This is the best we got, man.



So that's three branches of untrustworthy humans, sounds like three times the chance to get screwed over.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26837226 - 07/21/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

An unaccountable police force beating people and detaining them without charges is the epitome of tyranny. That’s the tyranny you right wingers used to tell us that’s what the guns are for, but then you got distracted by the tyranny of having to wear a mask.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26837227 - 07/21/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

By all means, share with me your better system that is free of tyranny and functions properly for 300 million Americans of all shades of morals and belief systems (or lack thereof).

I'm actually pretty excited to hear it.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #26837229 - 07/21/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Vahn421 said:
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Kwyjibo said:
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If I believed humans were trustworthy creatures



So what makes cops special? They're human.




Nothing.

This is why our founding fathers separated government into three branches. Because no one consolidation of power COULD be trusted.

This is why one branch writes the law that allows another branch of law to arrest you and then you appear before a judge who is part of a THIRD branch of government to see if the arrest was just.

This is the best we got, man.



So that's three branches of untrustworthy humans, sounds like three times the chance to get screwed over.




I'll ask you the same as I did koods. Provide me with an alternative?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837242 - 07/21/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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already told you, humans aren't ready to govern ourselves yet.




The United States has been considered a self governing republic for 244 years .  Thats was what our founding fathers believed in.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837244 - 07/21/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

How about anybody that doesn’t have a union so strong they can beat you silly or worse with absolutely no consequence. That leaves just about everybody.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26837249 - 07/21/20 10:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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already told you, humans aren't ready to govern ourselves yet.




The United States has been considered a self governing republic for 244 years .  Thats was what our founding fathers believed in.




Touchè. I could have used better words. We're not ready to live without laws yet. We can't expect the average human to do the right thing. Certain pockets of humans like Mormons, maybe (and I say that as an ex-Mormon, ironically), but not collectively as Americans. Too much diversity. Too much animosity between groups.

In the end, new ideologies sooner or later realize that they can't "tell" everyone to do the right thing, so it just winds up being "forcing" them to do the right thing all over again. Some systems to do it better than others.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26837259 - 07/21/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

i knew it. mormans are despicable


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26837262 - 07/21/20 10:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

and i say that as a non-x-morman who has morman family members


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26837266 - 07/21/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I say that as an ex-Mormon



This actually makes sense.


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