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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836733 - 07/21/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You can't even support that claim.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836737 - 07/21/20 06:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We aren't.  That part was to demonstrate that the deficit wouldn't be insurmountable to make up, thereby potentially resulting in no net oxygen depletion.  Try to keep up here, my dude.  I'm being pretty friendly at the moment and engaging you in good faith to see if you are capable of learning or if you only came here to regurgitate shit you read on stormfront or some such


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836740 - 07/21/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Saying if there are less cops there will be more crime is as objective as saying if we cut down trees there will be less oxygen.

I'm not going to run and get you a list of proofs for the latter OR the former. Some things we should have all learned in kindergarten. It's a shame some of us still haven't figured it out.



I'm going to disagree with you on this.  Some people here (myself included) want objective proof of things.  Sure, it may have been self evident to some that Trump was colluding with Russia based on how many stories the media posted, but none of the stories had any objective evidence, it was articles along the lines of "Hillary says she lost the election because Trump colluded with Russia!"

I never saw any actual evidence, and I guessed there wouldn't be any after none was being found.  Sure, Trump had a few business dealings in Russia as so many American businesses do, but nothing showing he colluded with the Russian Government.

Similarly Balls just made an interesting argument about oxygen (I don't know if it's true, but it sounds reasonable and I'd want to see objective evidence if I were to argue).

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Trees don't make most of the oxygen.



I never said they did. Of course there are millions of types of plant life. I said if you cut down trees, there's less oxygen in the air. Why are we debating the *how much?* :facepalm:



Again, Balls said there may not be less if other things replace trees.  Nobody said trees don't make oxygen.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836751 - 07/21/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I get it. You prefer the empirical approach to politics over the rational approach. I can easily see which school of philosophy you accept and which you reject relative to politics.



You don't even make rational arguments - you make baseless assertions. A basic argument requires three components: major premise, minor premise, conclusion. For example, all roses are flowers (major premise). This is a rose (minor premise). Therefore, I am holding a flower (conclusion). The idea is that, if your premises are true, the conclusion must necessarily follow.

Here are some templates:

Categorical syllogisms follow an "If A is part of C, then B is part of C" logic.

All insects frighten me. That is an insect. Therefore, I am frightened.
Major premise: All insects frighten me.
Minor premise: That is an insect.
Conclusion: Therefore, I am frightened.


Conditional syllogisms follow an "If A is true, then B is true" pattern of logic.

If Katie is smart, then she will get into a good college.
Major premise: Katie is smart.
Minor (implied) premise: Because she is smart Katie will get good grades.
Conclusion: Katie will get into a good college.


Disjunctive syllogisms follow a "Either A or B is true, if it's A, B is false" logic.

The time is either day or night
Major premise: It is day.
Minor (implied) premise: The time is either day or night.
Conclusion: Therefore it is not night.



An argument is valid if, and only if, assuming its premises are true the conclusion must be true too. You haven't yet achieved this. Try and fit the argument you made in your OP into one of the logical forms above. Assuming we don't challenge the truth of your premises, then you will not need to supply empirical evidence to further support them.

On the other hand, an argument is only sound if it is both valid in form and its premises are true. If one or both of your premises are challenged, you need to defend them. This is done through the use of empirical evidence or further deductive reasoning.

Your bio says you left the Mormon church behind - well now is the time for you to take it one step further and leave behind the process of basing your worldview on supposed self-evident truth entirely.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26836752 - 07/21/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Some people here (myself included) want objective proof of things.




Me too. I'm not disagreeing with that, actually.

Sometimes though you wind up arguing with people who claim nothing is objective enough.

Portland is going to hell in a handbasket thanks to police standing down. There's been crime all over the city. What is happening to Portland is national news.

And people here have the gall to ask for evidence on a correlation between crime and lack of police involvement.

Let me guess, "correlation does not equal causation."

At a certain point, you just gotta call out the foolishness for what it is. The evidence is all around us, like the sun's rays in the sky.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26836756 - 07/21/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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That part was to demonstrate that the deficit wouldn't be insurmountable to make up, t




Are you suggesting we could manipulate nature to mAke this happen or will It  just happen all by itself ?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26836763 - 07/21/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

You would be right in asking for evidence, and indeed, it is out there as more or less common knowledge at this point but without having to think too hard you'll see why it makes sense.  Trees cover a small percentage of the earth and of their total biomass, only the leaves (a small percentage) are doing photosynthesis/respiration stuff to any significant degree.  By contrast the oceans cover the majority of the earth and other bodies of water cover a good bit of the rest.  Phytoplankton use virtually their entire biomass to do photosynthesis/respiration stuff.  The trees never really stood a chance in that race.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836764 - 07/21/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

That's not the premise of the thread,  however. You called Antifa a terrorist organization and compared it to police. Portland going to shit isn't relevant.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836766 - 07/21/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Portland is going to hell in a handbasket thanks to police standing down.



Maybe, but maybe not.  We've seen riots in other cities without police standing down.  There could be other reasons for what's going on in Portland.  In fact, most of the videos I've seen of Portland include police.

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Let me guess, "correlation does not equal causation."

At a certain point, you just gotta call out the foolishness for what it is.



I hate that argument too, unless someone comes up with another reason for the causation.  The question you might ask (and one I think would be valid) is "what do you think is causing the chaos in Portland if not the police standing down?"


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26836772 - 07/21/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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"what is causing the chaos in Portland if not the police standing down?"




Haha, to me this is like asking "What is causing my milk to turn grey if not my cocoa puffs?"

I get your point, but breaking this particular issue down feels so beneath me, intellectually, I don't even want to.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836776 - 07/21/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If that feels beneath you intellectually, don't look at this thread.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera]
    #26836784 - 07/21/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

If world events vindicate someone months later, are they still a 'moron" for not having "empirical" evidence to the things they could so obviously see coming?

Get ready for the show of your lives, ladies and gentleman. This is only the beginning.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26836785 - 07/21/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

either, or.  Many species of plants and animal thrive especially in disturbed habitats.  As an example, when spaniards first sailed up the california coast the entire place was smoked out from fires, all the way from the south to the northern/central coast where Chumash territory gave way to Piutes or whichever tribe(s).  Those fires were started on purpose by Chumash natives as a form of stewardship.  Chumash were hunter gatherers but knew that by clearing sage in the grasslands and forest undergrowth with fire they could reap greater bounties of the plants and animals the used for survival.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836787 - 07/21/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I get your point, but breaking this particular issue down feels so beneath me, intellectually, I don't even want to.




On behalf of most of this board, interacting with you is intellectually beneath us.

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Kryptos]
    #26836790 - 07/21/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26836793 - 07/21/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I get your point, but breaking this particular issue down feels so beneath me, intellectually, I don't even want to.



Lol, dude.  This is Dunning-Kruger effect epitomized.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26836800 - 07/21/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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You would be right in asking for evidence, and indeed, it is out there as more or less common knowledge at this point but without having to think too hard you'll see why it makes sense.  Trees cover a small percentage of the earth and of their total biomass, only the leaves (a small percentage) are doing photosynthesis/respiration stuff to any significant degree.  By contrast the oceans cover the majority of the earth and other bodies of water cover a good bit of the rest.  Phytoplankton use virtually their entire biomass to do photosynthesis/respiration stuff.  The trees never really stood a chance in that race.




Additionally, most people get the overinflated impression of trees in terms of oxygen production because the amazon has been harped on for so long.  Don't get me wrong, the amazon is great and should be preserved but it isn't a net oxygen producer.  The plants in the amazon barely produce enough oxygen for the animals in the amazon.  Its a wash on the oxygen front.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26836803 - 07/21/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

What kind of madness is in this forum? Seriousl
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I get your point, but breaking this particular issue down feels so beneath me, intellectually, I don't even want to.



Lol, dude.  This is Dunning-Kruger effect epitomized.




I'm going to take this another direction.

I'm willing to wager anyone $500 that if Portland police continue to stand down, we're going to see a record high in crime rates over there. We can hammer out the details of the wager if there's a taker.

Anyone with the fucking balls to *prove* to me that police don't keep the peace, fuckin' stand up and let's do this.


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    #26836807 - 07/21/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Portland Police aren't standing down now.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26836817 - 07/21/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Oh? Then you should be even more excited to make a wager!


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