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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836461 - 07/21/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: WTF is a "soyboy?"
The end of a chain of millions of years of reproductive success.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26836472 - 07/21/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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In other words, you have no idea what you're trying to say. Dude, you're basically a waste of bandwidth at this point.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] 4
#26836526 - 07/21/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's actually a pretty interesting cognitive dissonance. The basic premise is that "antifa" is primarily composed of vegan, animal rights activist stereotypes who eat a lot of tofu. I know, just follow where I'm going with this. Since soy products have been shown to increase estrogen levels with very high intake, the supposition is that these antifa caricatures become very effeminate. Simultaneously, these same weak, effeminate "soy boys" are the most serious threat to the U.S. since 1812 and have stocked up a deadly arsenal of cement filled milkshakes and bike-lock launchers the likes of which the world has never been witness.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836571 - 07/21/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: In other words, you have no idea what you're trying to say. Dude, you're basically a waste of bandwidth at this point.
Real talk, bro. You're really are fucking singling me out. I'm only hurling shit at the shit throwers. Actually look at the thread, dude. If no one is being civil, including both of the god damned fucking mods, why the fuck should I? The first thing ballsalsa did was come in here and make an inadvertent personal attack. What a great fucking example you mods are. Really.
You can disagree with my ideas and we can have a conversation about them, but it really seems like you folks can't take it even though you like to dish it.
If you want to hurl shit, I'm going to play at your level. If you want to have a civil discussion, that's fine, too. But I'm not gonna suck your dicks just because you think you have seniority. You down *own* this board. You don't *own* this subthread. You're just acting like a bunch of power hungry mods who can't take it even though you like to dish it. I find it rather pathetic.
You guys are really the ones deciding where these conversations go. Stop acting like I've been the first one to throw the stones.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#26836576 - 07/21/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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"The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers must be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy."
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836589 - 07/21/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Dude, you're basically a waste of bandwidth at this point.
You've successfully blurred the lines for me on what kinds of personal attacks are allowed and what kinds are not I'm rather convinced the rules are all make-believe at this point.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836600 - 07/21/20 05:09 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This entire thread has been empty rhetoric supported by nothing. Maybe that shot flies on /pol/ but not here. At some point, people just give up on you.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836620 - 07/21/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't care if people think my ideas are nonsense. That's their right. I think many of theirs are, too.
I get it. You prefer the empirical approach to politics over the rational approach. I can easily see which school of philosophy you accept and which you reject relative to politics.
Not every discussion revolves around evidence. Politics and philosophy are very tightly woven together.
AND YET HAVING SAID THAT, there is so much fucking empirical evidence to ideas like, Antifa is a terrorist organization, or that if you took away cops, crime would go up and America would suffer more.
These things are SO self-evident, we shouldn't even be debating them. We accept them as self-evident premises and build cases off of them.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836629 - 07/21/20 05:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to argue political theory, you can. If you're going to make factual claims, you have to back them up. There's very little evidence that Antifa is an organization at all, much less a terrorist one.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836633 - 07/21/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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There's very little evidence that Antifa is an organization at all,
You know who would disagree with that?
Antifa.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836641 - 07/21/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sure the CEO of Antifa will post in this very thread to correct me.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26836648 - 07/21/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: These things are SO self-evident, we shouldn't even be debating them. We accept them as self-evident premises and build cases off of them.
That is absurd. If you can't defend the foundational premise of your argument with something more substantial than its own self-evidence then you have strayed outside of the land objectivity and into the land of pure opinion. I could say that it is self evident that the U.S. is the greatest country on earth by any and all metrics but it wouldn't be more than an easily refuted statement of my personal opinion.
Do you see how that works?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836658 - 07/21/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I laid out my reasons why I prefer police over Antifa, whether or not you agree or disagree with those reasons. I also asked a question. I wanted to know who everyone else thought real the terrorists were, and why. There are 4 options, including neither and both.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26836664 - 07/21/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: These things are SO self-evident, we shouldn't even be debating them. We accept them as self-evident premises and build cases off of them.
That is absurd. If you can't defend the foundational premise of your argument with something more substantial than its own self-evidence then you have strayed outside of the land objectivity and into the land of pure opinion. I could say that it is self evident that the U.S. is the greatest country on earth by any and all metrics but it wouldn't be more than an easily refuted statement of my personal opinion.
Do you see how that works?
Saying if there are less cops there will be more crime is as objective as saying if we cut down trees there will be less oxygen.
I'm not going to run and get you a list of proofs for the latter OR the former. Some things we should have all learned in kindergarten. It's a shame some of us still haven't figured it out.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836669 - 07/21/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having said that, did you know that arson, vandalism, theft, the breaking of business property and the breaking of public property are um... crimes? Do we have to remind people? It's like everyone fucking forgot.
Last I checked in Portland those crimes have gone WAY up as the cops have been asked to *gasp* stand down.
This really isn't rocket science. I feel like you're all making fools of yourself asking for evidence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836678 - 07/21/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Killing black folk is a crime, too... even when it's a white dude doing the killing.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
#26836681 - 07/21/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one is arguing that. The fuck!?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836706 - 07/21/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought we were saying stupid irrelevant shit. You started it, after all.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26836717 - 07/21/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is actually a perfect example of how simplistic arguments based on self evidence run into trouble. Trees don't make most of the oxygen. a sufficient biomass of grasses invading the area previously occupied by trees can replace or even exceed the oxygen production of trees on a given acre. Further, most oxygen on the planet is generated by diatoms and other phytoplankton in the ocean, and thus, by various mechanisms could also conceivably make up the oxygen deficit created by cutting down trees. The presupposition that cutting down trees must necessarily result in a net oxygen depletion event is based on a lack of deeper understanding and the assumption that the question itself is so simple as to have a self-evident solution.
If it makes you feel better, trees live longer and are vastly better at resisting decomposition when they die when compared to grasses or plankton. This means that lb for lb it is a pretty good bet that trees sequester more atmospheric carbon (CO2) for a longer period of time than either. Of course, I haven't put much thought into it so I can't really say that even that is self-evident. There may be some unknown or overlooked piece of information that would say otherwise.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26836724 - 07/21/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Trees don't make most of the oxygen.
I never said they did. Of course there are millions of types of plant life. I said if you cut down trees, there's less oxygen in the air. Why are we debating the *how much?*
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