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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
#26835475 - 07/21/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gun control in the U.S.? when's that going to start?
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] 2
#26835821 - 07/21/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gun control is for chumps. Maybe in the civilized world people can rely on cops and courts to protect them but here in dumbfuckistan we have unidentified goons snatching people off the street into unmarked vans.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
#26835850 - 07/21/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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unidentified goons
Surely, you're talking about Antifa, right?
Are you butthurt that other people came along playing by the same rules as the all black wearing anonymous soyboys and just happened to be more powerful? That's what happens when you have a real career that takes actual discipline. You *win* power games against people whose best talent is being able to smoke an entire blunt by themselves.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26835882 - 07/21/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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You show me antifa abducting folks off the street and I'll concede this silly assertion. I'll be skeptical until then.
I would think it clear by now that cops in general have major problems with "actual discipline". If they could follow their own rules, we likely wouldn't be having these protests and yet, here we are. The fact that you think law enforcement exists for the express purpose of "winning power games" is really pretty telling.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
#26836120 - 07/21/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It’s a real shame the self appointed tyranny protectors are too busy crying about wearing masks and not being able to get a haircut. We could use them right about now.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: koods]
#26836166 - 07/21/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't worry koods, those larpers aren't the only ones armed, they just advertise more.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
#26836247 - 07/21/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Gun control is for chumps. Maybe in the civilized world people can rely on cops and courts to protect them but here in dumbfuckistan we have unidentified goons snatching people off the street into unmarked vans.
I guess guns are the answer, plenty of guns, guns for everyone... hey! that's a god damn number 1 smash hit right there. More guns = more suicides more homicides, it's probably worth it.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] 3
#26836265 - 07/21/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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People outside the US just don’t get it, we have so much love for our people we in many cases are literally prepping to fight them. It’s quintessential compassion and empathy. Sure we could just take care of each other with things like decent health care and living wages, but that would make us less free and we don’t like that.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: christopera] 1
#26836373 - 07/21/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those are laudable goals and not incompatible with firearm ownership. Like I said, just because the right-wing dipshits scream loudest doesn't mean they have any sort of monopoly on firearms in the U.S.
@ Stable Genius - I get your point but believe the data to support it to be dubious at best. Without starting a long back and forth, I would encourage you to search for any of several long discussions I've had with koods about this. It turns out that homicides dropped by comparable rates throughout the western world from 1996 to 2016 or so, regardless of relative levels of firearms restriction. Countries that started the period with higher rates ended with higher rates but the percentage decline was similar across the board. Additionally, in the U.S., homicide rates continued to decline for several years after the assault weapons ban of the 90's expired and even with the subsequent uptick remain at near historical lows. These things imply that said declines in homicides had their genesis in something other than firearms restrictions.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26836433 - 07/21/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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All good my friends. As I’m sure you’re aware guns are available here, for sport or property owners... they’re just harder to get your hands on these days. So what’s the answer to less shootings? More guns or less guns or the amount of guns don’t really matter? I know we live in a bubble over here, just asking.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] 4
#26836503 - 07/21/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly, more effective and efficient distribution of available resources is the solution to many if not most of these seemingly unrelated societal ills. People are animals and act as such when the pressures of survival dictate. This is good to some degree but unfortunately we haven't evolved such that our physiological responses to the environment can distinguish the difference between the existential threat of being eaten and the existential threat of being evicted and jobless. The result is most modern people living in a constant state of flight or fight response and with the resulting elevated cortisol levels without even realizing it. This in turn perpetuates the stress response. Much of this behavior that we would all like to curb so much ultimately goes back to the repercussions of perceived scarcity.
Now before qman chimes in to mention that scarcity is real and will likely never be eliminated, I want to preemptively respond by saying "yes it is and no it probably won't." That being said, much of scarcity, worldwide, is manufactured. It is a feature of structuring our economic and political ideologies around profit motive.
Now, before Enlil chimes in to mention that profit motive has thus far been the most efficient means of reducing scarcity and that any economic system that doesn't account for human greed is fantasyland talk, I want to preemptively agree with the second part of the statement I imagine he might make. It is important to account for human greed in economics and politics. The mistake the world has been making is in structuring itself primarily around greed and rewarding it above all.
Now before someone else chimes in to mention that, hey, greed is natural and good, I would like to point out that in most cases, people are defined primarily by behavioral traits other than greed. Nobody is free of it completely but neither does it dominate most folk's personal belief systems. By this token, it shouldn't be the defining feature of our society either.
Ok, that's all the anticipatory arguing I'll do in this post
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26836516 - 07/21/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The difficulty in getting away with crime is also probably linked to the reduction in homicide as years go on
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: bodhisatta]
#26836532 - 07/21/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Probably. Many mechanisms have been proposed. The Freakonomics guy suggested that abortion access expansion for the mothers of the generation coming of age during the time period in question had a direct effect on crime of all sorts
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
#26836593 - 07/21/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow man, kudos for tapping that response out, makes a lot of sense. Are you sure you’re a plumber?
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius]
#26836627 - 07/21/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Compliment accepted, though I would say that plumbers and electricians trend towards the upper end of intellectualism insofar as such a thing exists among construction workers. 
That was my trade for many years but now I do management stuff in the hemp/cbd and hand sanitizer industries.
I'm just a guy who reads stuff and is often too lazy anymore to put in the work of citing a bunch of studies and whatnot. It's a pretty stark contrast between my posts these days and my 2015 posts. I used to bury people with information but that took a lot of time. I was a student/part time aquarium store guy then so I had time to spend a few hours researching a single post. The GMO labeling thread exchange with Enlil (and others) was a classic and cemented my respect for his lawyerly ways. Luckily, most of these discussions are reboots of debates past so now I just refer people to the search engine, lol.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#26836668 - 07/21/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep, much respect for the people who post in this forum, it certainly helps with my TDS, ‘cause I’ve got it bad. I’m off to crawl through a roof but will sign off with my favourite plumber joke. Where most people just smell shit, plumbers smell money.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Stable Genius] 2
#26836673 - 07/21/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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All you need to know to be a plumber: 1) shit flows downhill 2) payday is Friday 3) don't bite your fingernails
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: ballsalsa]
#26836702 - 07/21/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: You show me antifa abducting folks off the street and I'll concede this silly assertion. I'll be skeptical until then.
I would think it clear by now that cops in general have major problems with "actual discipline". If they could follow their own rules, we likely wouldn't be having these protests and yet, here we are. The fact that you think law enforcement exists for the express purpose of "winning power games" is really pretty telling.
In the real world we call it, "arresting" someone for breaking the law.
Most cops do follow the rules, the ones that don't need to be weeded out and eradicated, but it's not *intrinsic* of a police force to have some corruption within it, rather it's intrinsic for any force that gets powerful enough to have corruption in it, period.
"Power" is a conversation for another day but for now I'll say, in the end that's really all one has to enforce their will. Good ideas and a structure that benefits the whole usually results in more power as a whole. The American military as an example is as strong as it is because its citizens are as strong as they are, both in mind and soul.
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Re: "The Riots That Killed Gun Control" [Re: Vahn421]
#26836714 - 07/21/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most cops don't get in trouble for breaking the rules. That's not the same as following the rules.
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#26836721 - 07/21/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The American military as an example is as strong as it is because its citizens are as strong as they are, both in mind and soul.
If we’ve learned anything in the past five months is that the American people are pretty fucking pathetic
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