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longbus
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Online poker
#26836436 - 07/21/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone here make money playing poker online? I want to get into it, i'm pretty good at poker and think I could make some coin. Any site recommendations?
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus] 1
#26836444 - 07/21/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poker?
I don't even know 'er!
Liqour in the front Poker in the back.
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus]
#26836575 - 07/21/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been playing poker for years at the casino. It's very lucrative if you know how to play.
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Re: Online poker [Re: Patlal]
#26836638 - 07/21/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to make a lot like 10 - 15 years ago. Right when the whole texas hold-em thing blew up. Online poker was flooded with people that didn't know how to play, and everyone wasn't using programs to play like 8 hands at once yet.
If you could calculate pot odds, you could rake in cash. Not anymore though. I haven't really played since.
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I play on Ignition for the anonymous tables and easy bitcoin withdrawal. Pokerstars has the softest low stakes tables imo but it's only available in certain US states.
If you want to make a decent profit, it'll take 100+ hours of studying and applying it in games to even get a positive ROI around minimum wage on low stakes these days.
Equilab, ICMizer, SitNGo Wizard, Piosolver and more are all programs for different game types that good regs use to progress. Basically computers have already solved the optimal decisions in different scenarios, optimal ranges, etc and those programs help you learn them.
You'll need a good HUD, even for anonymous tables they come in handy. Poker Tracker or Holdem Manager are solid because they record every hand you play, and you'll want to study past hands a lot to improve. They also track every detail of how you play so you can see where your weaknesses are, and they track you bankroll.
If you're playing mid stakes you'll want to learn a lot about GTO and theory based play, what your ranges are and how to put others on ranges. Microstakes and low stakes is all about playing tight agressive and sticking to an exploitative style, but keeping it simple and avoiding flips to maximize your edge.
The vast majority who start out in online poker don't make a profit these days, it takes a lot of work and discipline. I spent most of May/June brushing up now I'm turning a decent profit crushing microstakes sit n go's.. I do it more for fun than money though, as well as to up my game for when live is safe again.
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Re: Online poker [Re: feevers] 1
#26836872 - 07/21/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I play on ignition too. Used to play a lot more than I do now though. Took a break for a few years and played on Carbon Poker previously. Guess they dipped out of the market completely in the years I wasn't playing.
For OP, bankroll management is key. If you can't play, bankroll management will keep you in the fight. If you are the best player in the world, bad bankroll management will destroy you. It's honestly more important than good by the book playing.
If you can't turn a profit on a $100 deposit with $1 games, you cannot turn a profit with a $1000 deposit and $200 games. If playing tournaments, don't play with more than 1% of your roll at any one time. If playing cash, don't play with more than 5% of your bankroll. Even if you are objectively terrible, sticking to simple bankroll management rules will keep you in the game longer than a mathematical genius who catches a bad run.
Edited by PatrickKn (07/21/20 07:15 PM)
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Patlal
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Re: Online poker [Re: feevers]
#26836877 - 07/21/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you want to make a decent profit, it'll take 100+ hours of studying and applying it in games to even get a positive ROI
Absulutely not. You at least 5000+ hours to get a positive result.
You can't just start playing poker for 2 weeks and be profitable...
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Re: Online poker [Re: Patlal]
#26836894 - 07/21/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Patlal said:
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feevers said:
If you want to make a decent profit, it'll take 100+ hours of studying and applying it in games to even get a positive ROI
Absulutely not. You at least 5000+ hours to get a positive result.
You can't just start playing poker for 2 weeks and be profitable...
Lol 5000 hours is like 2 and half years of playing poker full time 40 hours a week.
He said he's already good, so I assume he knows the fundamentals. 100 hours for someone who already knows what they're doing can be enough to beat micros if they study the right things and a re super focised, it was for me. That's why I said + though, for some people it doesn't click as quickly.
Are you talking about live poker? Not sure the exact number, but if I'm 6-tabling zoom I can probably get in 30 hands online for how long it takes 1 hand of live. Experience is gained a lot quicker online.
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus]
#26837069 - 07/21/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you all very much for this insight. I'm going to get a strategy book tomorrow. Any suggestions?
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus]
#26837087 - 07/21/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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The old stuff by Harrington, Gordon, Brunson etc can help a little, but are mostly outdated. Anything by Slansky is a good read and a lot of it is fundamental.
The Grinders Manual and Applications of No-Limit Hold em are the two go-to up to date ones for more advamced play, the first one you can find for free on google pretty easy. They are not easy reading like the clasics are.
Crushing Low Stakes is a series I bought on the kindle app recently. It's exclusivelt on sit n go's, and is a lot more basic but still has tons of good info and includes range charts.
I'd recommend watching a bunch of youtube videos on whatever game type and stake level you want to play. Also if you're really serious, membership to a training website might be a good option. Upswing and Run It Once seem to be the most popular,
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Re: Online poker [Re: feevers]
#26837089 - 07/21/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you think it's worth it to play more than one type of game? Personally I stick with Hold Em'. Thoughts?
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus]
#26837097 - 07/21/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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longbus said: Do you think it's worth it to play more than one type of game? Personally I stick with Hold Em'. Thoughts?
I play mixed games for fun, and PLO heads up with the wife because there's a lot more action and the skill edge is somewhat lowered. The math and strategy carries over when you make the necessary adjustments, but each game will have it's own learning curve and time commitment to get good.
NL Hold em is all I'd play for real money, I have nowhere near enough time or motivation to learn to beat a second game.
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Re: Online poker [Re: feevers]
#26837103 - 07/21/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well right now I'm getting paid to sit at home so I figure that I might as well try and get good at something that potentially pays. Plus if I get a job I stop getting paid, but pokers off the books.
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus]
#26837104 - 07/21/20 09:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Different types of game even includes different forms of hold em. Tournament strategies vary by stack size, player field, table size, etc and each variant should be considered its own type of game even if the general rules are the same.
If playing more than one table at a time, stick to the same variant, type and buy in across all games. If playing one game at a time, you can change it up but if you're winning at a specific type such as cash games, sit n go s or tournaments, keep in mind that changing it up will subtly effect your play habits.
I prefer large fields tournaments and sit n gos.
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What's the most you've ever made in a week playing poker?
What's the most you've ever lost in a week?
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PatrickKn said: Different types of game even includes different forms of hold em. Tournament strategies vary by stack size, player field, table size, etc and each variant should be considered its own type of game even if the general rules are the same.
If playing more than one table at a time, stick to the same variant, type and buy in across all games. If playing one game at a time, you can change it up but if you're winning at a specific type such as cash games, sit n go s or tournaments, keep in mind that changing it up will subtly effect your play habits.
I prefer large fields tournaments and sit n gos.
Yea I stay pretty much exclusively full ring sit n go's, 6-max occasionally. I do well in that game type but it doesn't transfer to cash games much at all for me, the ICM factor alone requires a big shift. I probably barely break even on cash games, I don't play them often but eventually I want to start.
I love big tournaments but the time commitment is crazy for most of them, the rebuy period alone can be hours. I used to love grabbing a 6 pack and single tabling a $50 on Friday nights after work though. I was on Carbon too awhile back, never made a single withdrawal from that place
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Re: Online poker [Re: feevers]
#26837298 - 07/21/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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These guys know what they’re talking about but you should be aware that if you aren’t in a legal state (NV , NJ , Pennsylvania, Delaware, ?) then you will be playing on black market sites which DO pay you your money but their RNGs (random number generator for the cards) are not certified as far as I know and they could easily have their own super-bots playing in the games (‘feevers’ have you ever played one of the jackpot sit and gos on Ignition and got a big money game? Tell me those weren’t bots).
There also without any doubt tons of people using bots on the sites particularly America’s Cardroom.
They could be 100% legit though and I lean towards that side. Maybe the two posters above could post their graphs from Ignition/ACR? It’s about time we legalize online poker WA will be the last state sucks..
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Re: Online poker [Re: longbus] 1
#26837321 - 07/21/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Have a limit and do it for fun.
Even if you are one of the very very few who can turn a profit down the stretch. Unless you love it you'll quickly learn it's just like any other job and one hell of a grind...especially online.
If you do treat it like a job ie set times, sober, focused you will do better.
It's a long term goal that takes dedication and a certain type of person.
Start with what your willing to definitely lose but pretend like your livelhood depends on that stack alone.
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What he said, also think about playing live poker, where if you have the intuition and/or observatory skills you can read your opponents minds.
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