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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: coAsTal]
#26865124 - 08/05/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Everyone that has stomach issues with shrooms would be better off with these Big Bang Per Gram (BBPG) types because it's the wonky digestion of that insoluable mushroom tissue that produces so much of the gas that makes people feel like shit and can ruin a trip.
This is exactly why pans have piqued my interest. I've eaten cubes in varying amounts in every which way one could imagine and at high doses the stomach pain is the center and focal point of the entire trip and it's impossible for me to do any actual healing.
Now, if I could find out any more information about why my body gives out on any dose higher than 4g of cubes, that'd be cool
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: coAsTal] 1
#26865193 - 08/05/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: I will be able to do the math based on the formula you provided -- I wouldn't burden you with doing it for my grow  I was really just wondering if anyone else with your TC experience level had done BE calcs with stone producers in the past, as they make two different types of alk-containing tissue. Once dried, I would like to see how they stack up against the Pans. I will follow up in a couple months when I have some numbers to share. (Sorry to derail this Pan thread a bit!!!)
Yeah, I'm super curious about that too, especially given how easy stones are to produce. You just fill the jars and wait, right? LOL I doesn't get much easier! It's no wonder that in Europe the powers that be kept the stones legal even while the mushrooms become illegal in 2008 through out much of Europe. It was a way of appeasing the unjustified public panic without shutting it all down.
By the way, the reason fresh magic mushrooms become illegal in 2008 in Europe was a wildly sensationalized single disaster that resulted in one fatality while under the influence. Now imagine if we made say alcohol illegal when a similar accident occurred. About 3,500 to 4,000 people each year are KILLED by drunk driving IN THE USA ALONE (that's about one death every three hours 24/7 and 365 days a year) from alcohol-related accidents. Why is that acceptable and yet a single magic-mushroom-related death over a period of many years caused totally new laws to be established in Europe? And magic mushrooms can help people kick alcoholism to boot thus save lives at least according to several of the founders of AA! Even drunk, those laws make zero sense.
It's like the Kratom laws where the FDA is trying to make Kratom illegal because allegedly it results in deaths. There is no solid proof Kratom alone has ever killed a single person, but we all know the reason the powers that be really want it to become scheduled: it eats into big pharma's profits, an organization that wants to make money even if it means keeping the population addicted to opiates as they decry them through one side of their mouth and push their sales through the other. That is hypocrisy at its most grotesques level possible!
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix] 1
#26865203 - 08/05/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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yup yup and if it wasnt for mushrooms id be dead now no doubt about it. 1 single 7 dry grams of ape got me clean in 6 houts from a 20 yr heroin addiction
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 1
#26865208 - 08/05/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mushrooms are a gift from God-- alcohol is a stupifying, fermented accident PS-- proud of you jcm-- sincerely!)
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: coAsTal]
#26865212 - 08/05/20 06:11 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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🤘🤘 now just gtta get all the way off this damn methadone. i havent been totally opiate free since 1995 lol how sad is that
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 1
#26865217 - 08/05/20 06:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not sad-- clearly you're living a good functional life-- you're kind, helpful, talented, and respected by many. Strive to improve, sure-- but be proud of your achievements!
I kicked a raging alcohol issue myself many years ago that almost killed me. That you've stayed strong like you have is a monument of success that I understand. Who cares if it's perfect-- it's awesome.
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: coAsTal] 1
#26865244 - 08/05/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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well thnx and congrats to u as well👍👍 i was at 225mg a day 4 yrs ago now im down to 20mg a day so i figure i got about one more yr goin at this pace but thats fine i only have to go to the clinic 1 day a week and ive been clean from heroin 4yrs and a cpl days now. i havnt shot dope since the day of that trip and i was shooting 3-4 grams of raw a day lol fuvkin 300-400 bucks a day up the ol arm lol i lost everything i had but my house car n job now im tryn to start over where i left off in the late 90s lol but jf not for psilocybin id be dead no doubt about it just cuz it aint even heroin anymore its all synthetic fent from china and that shits so not consistant in purity so i know id be dead
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 1
#26865547 - 08/05/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: well thnx and congrats to u as well👍👍 i was at 225mg a day 4 yrs ago now im down to 20mg a day so i figure i got about one more yr goin at this pace but thats fine i only have to go to the clinic 1 day a week and ive been clean from heroin 4yrs and a cpl days now. i havnt shot dope since the day of that trip and i was shooting 3-4 grams of raw a day lol fuvkin 300-400 bucks a day up the ol arm lol i lost everything i had but my house car n job now im tryn to start over where i left off in the late 90s lol but jf not for psilocybin id be dead no doubt about it just cuz it aint even heroin anymore its all synthetic fent from china and that shits so not consistant in purity so i know id be dead
I think it's great where you are now. Don't get religious on trying to stop every single thing at once. If you take it too fast, you'll just slip up. Even if you never overcome methadone, at least you are living a real life again with it. I'll never be able to not take my blood pressure pills or thyroid pills, but hey, that's fine. And I have a pretty bad Kratom habit too, but I'm not one of these puritans that think living without pills or supplements is some holy state of being. Just living is the important part - with or without medications. Living with a heroin addiction isn't really living. You should be proud you left that behind you because many people who were at it as long as you were never do and end up dead as a result.
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix] 1
#26865709 - 08/06/20 12:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh i dont mind the methadone so much as i mind the fuckin 100$ a week it cost to go to the clinic lol. but thats exactly how i look at it to just as a diabetic needs insulin i need methadone. but ive been on it over 4 years now so im totally goon at my own pace and il never go back to dope again fuck that shit man. my mind is in a good place and im happy and i owe all of it to this shit. but whats funny is 4 yrs ago when this happened to me i only even ate the damn things cuz i couldnt find anyone to buy them ao i could get dope $$ but when i ate them i literally saw the way man and it was a fucking slap upside the head and right then n there i wanted to say fuck this shit wtf am i doin im an idiot. i went down to the clinic that very next morning and i was able to actually see the dr cuz someone didnt show up. normally u have to wait a week cuz the dr there only comes in 1 day a week so the fact that i was able to get in and start dosing that day was a total sign to me that it was meant to be. i ate those things and ended up down there and i fucking new for a fact it was psilocybin that got me down there and i new right then and there that there was something to this and i never even said anything but to just a cpl ppl and whats funny was over the last 3 years i really started seeing shit about psychedelics as a therapy treatment for addiction and once i started seein all this shit all over the place is when i new i wasnt the only one this happened to. psilocybin is in no way an anti withdrawl type of deal my got i wouldnt wish withdrawl like that on anyone let alone while tripping your balls off FUCK THAT lol. but its an extremely valuable therapy tool for sure but just like blue mentioned it has no cash value to it since its a natural chemical so to say and big pharma cant put a patent on it and rip ppl off so you wont see it used on the scale that it should/could be used. and that is a loss for a lot of ppl who may never even know about it having the potential to help them
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 2
#26865716 - 08/06/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh and also after that happened to me i became obsessed with mushrooms and was reading and looking at all kinds of shit and i wanted to trip again cuz back i the day before heroin i was a psychedelic nut. but i just didnt wanna buy them i wanted to grow them and learn about them and then this damn hobby became my addiction lol. now the psilocybin is just a secondary effect from the hobby i absolutely love the cultivation of mushrooms. it brings me more peace of mind than i ever could have imagined it would. so while i started off only wanting to grow as a way to have my own supply and to learn about them i now enjoy it so much i couldnt imagine life without this hobby. i just am thankful for this place cuz it sux so bad having a hobby and a passion for something and not being able to share it with anyone. and im sure a lot of u know exactly what i mean there
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 1
#26865945 - 08/06/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jcm im with you on the 2g of small shrooms is stronger than 2g of one huge one but that’s another big one people argue when I bring it up here.
A handful of legit members have said big fruits are just as potent so idk what to think. My experience is based off just one time back in the day when I bought an ounce that had one 13g mushroom in it that was weak as fuck.
I’ve been on a mission to grow monsters since then to try it out. Finally got a handful of big ones saved up to see what they got.
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#26866010 - 08/06/20 08:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya i have totally found that to be true in my experiences on more that 1 occassion and im pretty sure not many ppl will really argue that one.😃
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26868615 - 08/07/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Jcm im with you on the 2g of small shrooms is stronger than 2g of one huge one but that’s another big one people argue when I bring it up here.
A handful of legit members have said big fruits are just as potent so idk what to think. My experience is based off just one time back in the day when I bought an ounce that had one 13g mushroom in it that was weak as fuck.
I’ve been on a mission to grow monsters since then to try it out. Finally got a handful of big ones saved up to see what they got.
I found the same thing. I'd take it a step further, though: the higher the yield per substrate (BE), the lower the overall potency too. If I harvest a super dense flush, I usually find it is not quite as potent as say from a tray with half the mushrooms. In fact, it's sometimes the sickest mushrooms that are the strongest - the tiny ones.
That's partly why I growing cambos now on jcm4620's grain-heavy sub (actually grain SPAWN heavy to the tune of 1 part grain spawn per volume to two parts manure/straw mix compared to my 1 part per 6.5 parts powdered horse manure mix). I want to compare their potency in lower yields grown on grain to those grown on a manure-based substrate that produces like gangbusters. I bet the lower-yielding grain-based sub produces a little more potent mushrooms. It's just a hunch and I could be way off base with this idea, but I'll report back when I find out.
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 2
#26868648 - 08/07/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: oh and also after that happened to me i became obsessed with mushrooms and was reading and looking at all kinds of shit and i wanted to trip again cuz back i the day before heroin i was a psychedelic nut. but i just didnt wanna buy them i wanted to grow them and learn about them and then this damn hobby became my addiction lol. now the psilocybin is just a secondary effect from the hobby i absolutely love the cultivation of mushrooms. it brings me more peace of mind than i ever could have imagined it would. so while i started off only wanting to grow as a way to have my own supply and to learn about them i now enjoy it so much i couldnt imagine life without this hobby. i just am thankful for this place cuz it sux so bad having a hobby and a passion for something and not being able to share it with anyone. and im sure a lot of u know exactly what i mean there
I think I can thank the admonishments of my parents who were both snake and mushroom phobic, for sparking my interest (I also got into snakes for awhile too but I grew bored with them). I knew if my parents were scared of these mysterious, strange little cute growths we call mushrooms that it was definitely worth looking into it with gusto (and that kind of tells you what kind of kid I was I guess). Of course my attempts to plant a puff ball I found in the yard in a Kerr jar--at least I had the Kerr jar figured out--with fresh potting soil didn't work, though. And this was all very innocent because back then I had no idea about the psychoactive properties of a very few species until later as a teenager when I took up an interest in LSD.
I recall making a projector slide show that explained the basic principles of growing mushrooms from spore to agar or an LC to inoculate spawn all the way to adding that spawn to pasteurized straw or compost and casing. I had all the steps right there--and even a mention of LCs--in that slide show at age 14. The teacher loved it and I got an A on the slide show and presentation. Eventually when I went off to college, I found out about the PF Tek in High Times, bought my first spore syringe, and the rest is history.
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#26868676 - 08/07/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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jcm4620 said: oh i dont mind the methadone so much as i mind the fuckin 100$ a week it cost to go to the clinic lol. but thats exactly how i look at it to just as a diabetic needs insulin i need methadone. but ive been on it over 4 years now so im totally goon at my own pace and il never go back to dope again fuck that shit man. my mind is in a good place and im happy and i owe all of it to this shit. but whats funny is 4 yrs ago when this happened to me i only even ate the damn things cuz i couldnt find anyone to buy them ao i could get dope $$ but when i ate them i literally saw the way man and it was a fucking slap upside the head and right then n there i wanted to say fuck this shit wtf am i doin im an idiot. i went down to the clinic that very next morning and i was able to actually see the dr cuz someone didnt show up. normally u have to wait a week cuz the dr there only comes in 1 day a week so the fact that i was able to get in and start dosing that day was a total sign to me that it was meant to be. i ate those things and ended up down there and i fucking new for a fact it was psilocybin that got me down there and i new right then and there that there was something to this and i never even said anything but to just a cpl ppl and whats funny was over the last 3 years i really started seeing shit about psychedelics as a therapy treatment for addiction and once i started seein all this shit all over the place is when i new i wasnt the only one this happened to. psilocybin is in no way an anti withdrawl type of deal my got i wouldnt wish withdrawl like that on anyone let alone while tripping your balls off FUCK THAT lol. but its an extremely valuable therapy tool for sure but just like blue mentioned it has no cash value to it since its a natural chemical so to say and big pharma cant put a patent on it and rip ppl off so you wont see it used on the scale that it should/could be used. and that is a loss for a lot of ppl who may never even know about it having the potential to help them
Yeah that is the way it was 15 years ago, but today there are many protocols being developed for psychiatry. I expect to see it available to psychiatry within four years (tops). Of course, i've been wrong before that kind of thing, so take it with a grain of salt.
If you really are interested in magic musrhooms and their development in protocols to help people, search on YouTube for Roland Griffiths. Or to get you started check out his TED talk here: I met Giffiths at Burning man and he's about the most cool person you could ever know! I really enjoyed his sharing of his life's work at a Burning Man private conference at the Fractal Nation camp.
And to find out even newer stuff, search for MAPS videos and presentation. They are spearheading a lot of research and coordinating information sharing for teams to teams but also for the researchers to the public too.
I guess the most recent book I listened to about all of the topic of psychedelics was "How to Change Your Mind" by Michael Pollan. It's a great book if you are interested in the topic of psychedelics, including mushrooms, helping people in deeply meaningful and often spiritual ways.
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
#26868745 - 08/07/20 04:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya ive watched all those vids for sure 👍👍
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620]
#26868754 - 08/07/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don’t have anything to compare to but the cambos in my signature were on grain spawn heavy sub and they’re wicked. .6 was comparable to an eighth of average cube. Or maybe 1.5 of bomb PE.
It’s looking like medical weed laid the groundwork for psychedelics. I couldn’t believe when three cities in the us decriminalized them out of nowhere.
And just recently I’ve been seeing pictures of “pop up Cannabis dispensaries” in Los Angeles that also sell cubes.
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26868782 - 08/07/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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i hope one day they will all be legal everywhere especially LSD 🤩🤩🤩🤩
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] 2
#26868878 - 08/07/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't see it. "The Man" would never tolerate so many free minds. The things I've learned since I started tripping on the regular...man, society would collapse You can't have everyone seeing through the bullshit.
Plus, this decriminalization is like 3g personal use or some shit
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Asura]
#26868892 - 08/07/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol ya 300 million freed minds that would scare the living shit outta the propaganda artists that are in control
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