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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Asura]
    #26836547 - 07/21/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Oh, and with this method of drying do they still shrink up horribly lol?




Well they are nearly 95% water so no matter how you dry them, they'll shrink up horribly.  That's the nature of them.  From the first flush alone, I went from 3 gallons of mushrooms to less than a half gallon of dried ones.  Because of the unusually high water content, they shrivel to what seems like almost nothing, but because of the freakishly high yield, you still end up with a lot of material there.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26837492 - 07/22/20 03:41 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Beautiful work guys!!

Nice write up :smile:


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: c10h12n2o] * 2
    #26837568 - 07/22/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

just a few close up shots from some of the 2nd flush😀

 


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620]
    #26838669 - 07/22/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome grow Helix. Sounds like you guys had a great time.

Thanks for all you guys efforts and sharing it with the community!

Are you saying that these specific Pans cyan or cambo is special with its BE or are you saying that all Pan cambo have this crazy high BE.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Puduwoke] * 1
    #26838727 - 07/22/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Awesome grow Helix. Sounds like you guys had a great time.

Thanks for all you guys efforts and sharing it with the community!

Are you saying that these specific Pans cyan or cambo is special with its BE or are you saying that all Pan cambo have this crazy high BE.




I've only grown pan cambos one time before back in 08, and while they did grow crazy easily--like between cubes and pan cyans--I didn't do BE computations then.  I had actually thrown out the trays after the second flush and they pinned and fruited insanely in the trash bag even:



They just wouldn't stop growing!  You had to practically destroy them to get them to stop!  Now I say I didn't measure a BE, but I mean look at them:



My bet is that the BE was super high then too, but because of the obvious low potency issue that is an objective fact, I didn't grow them again.  By the way, anyone who wants to confirm this, just grow them.  Take 0.5g and tell me that the trip is strong (because 2 to 3g of cubensis like what a pan cyan 0.5g would be equivalent IS strong whereas 1g of cubensis is not strong).  They were fun to grow, though, but potent compared to true pan cyans they were not.  They are a nice stepping stone for growers to grow before going to full pan cyans, which don't put up with the abuse of cambos and also grow a little slower.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26838738 - 07/22/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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just a few close up shots from some of the 2nd flush😀

 




Looking good, jcm4620.  Now show us the third and fourth too, okay?!  LOL  These mushrooms have one goal in life - to grow like they are on steroids!


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26838779 - 07/22/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

So sorry if I'm slow Helix.
But I really want to be sure about this.
Your are saying all cambos grow easier than cyan?:takingnotes: find it interesting, do not remember reading anyone else saying this. But I might just not be paying attention enough :shrug:
Would you mind sharing a few more differences that you noticed between them? I understand if you answered this to many time before. I just find it so fascinating! Love pans :hug:


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26838802 - 07/22/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

not sure if il have time for a 4th but one tray is pinnin now on its 3rd and the other is about 2 or 3!days from harvesting its 2nd i most def could get 4 but ive got some peace river clones on grain kicking ass already that im on a mission to start fruiting out. i have a fuckload of transfers to fruit so i prolly wont waste time on a 4th if i can put these in there by then. but wel see what happens 😀😀


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620]
    #26838809 - 07/22/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Did you do anything special with that vase??

I’m surprised they got enough air in there. I hope i get huge bell caps one of these days.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Puduwoke]
    #26838821 - 07/22/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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So sorry if I'm slow Helix.
But I really want to be sure about this.
Your are saying all cambos grow easier than cyan?:takingnotes: find it interesting, do not remember reading anyone else saying this. But I might just not be paying attention enough :shrug:
Would you mind sharing a few more differences that you noticed between them? I understand if you answered this to many time before. I just find it so fascinating! Love pans :hug:




Yes, I am saying they are easier to grow.  The main reasons are that they grow at least 15% faster and are not as picky about pinning profusely, especially in the flushes past the first.  The mycelium is also far more tenacious and thicker thus the substrate is less prone to contamination.  You can easily mix up the substrate bags of pan cambos without any ill effect, but sometimes pan cyans just stall out if you do that.  Pan cyans just don't hold onto the substrate anywhere nearly as tightly as cambos do, and they would never overlay to the extent I saw these do.  They couldn't because the mycelium is too weak.

I wouldn't put much stock in what other people say when if comes to potency.  No one says cambos are weaker than pan cyans, but I trust my own mind more than other's reports of potency.  Plus, I know how people "test" strength: they take a gram and then say "Gee these are way stronger than cubes!  But just maybe I should take a little bit more".  Then they take another half gram, and are like "WOW!  These are SO POTENT!" apparently not realizing they just took what would be a pan cyan cubensis equivalent of 6 to 7.5g!  I see that stuff all the time.  When I say they are 2X as potent I mean if you take 1.5g of cambos you are going to experience a 3g or maybe 3.5g dose of cubensis, and I think that's a pretty strong dose.  But if you take 1.5g of pan cyans, you are probably going to land in a mental ward unless you are a crazy hard head.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26838833 - 07/22/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Did you do anything special with that vase??

I’m surprised they got enough air in there. I hope i get huge bell caps one of these days.




Cambos are bullet proof.  They hardly need fresh air it seems.  Grow them in a trash bag, a vase, an aquarium, probably anything!



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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26838867 - 07/22/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Thank you for the knowledge and inspiration. :thumbup:


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: bernardfraun] * 1
    #26838902 - 07/22/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

🤩🤩🤩🤩<----------crazy hard head here lol


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620]
    #26838906 - 07/22/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

i like that vase pic tho it just looks awsum


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620] * 1
    #26838908 - 07/22/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

ive got a crystal head vodka skull bottle i have an idea for a novelty pan grow to give it an afro of mushrooms but i gtta get a cpl diamond bits to take it to work and throw it in a cnc and do some cutting on it. but it will be awsum i promise


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: bernardfraun]
    #26838944 - 07/22/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Pan cambo LC spinning:



Is it COVID?  Could be!  :laugh:

Seriously, the most wicked LC I ever saw was from cambos!


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26838995 - 07/22/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

It’s weird how a lot of pan lcs grow those ocean mine looking blobs.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a]
    #26839058 - 07/22/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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It’s weird how a lot of pan lcs grow those ocean mine looking blobs.




Mine are usually not that crazy.  The LC for this grow did have small rough pieces but they were not as big or spiky as in the animation.  When the blobs get that spiky and big, you know the mycelium is very vigorous - even more than usual.  I think rhizomorphic growth as expressed in a continuously-stirred LC.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26839272 - 07/22/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

First off, beautiful grow log and photos. I am trying to get into panaleous and will be pulling from this write up quite a bit I'm sure, along with Azura's and jcm's. So thank you for putting the time and effort that you did into it.

I have a question regarding the BE. Did you weigh the overlay you removed? Would that have affected it or was the casing not factored in? I'm really new to this hobby so I'm just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks!


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Wall.E]
    #26839602 - 07/23/20 12:06 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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First off, beautiful grow log and photos. I am trying to get into panaleous and will be pulling from this write up quite a bit I'm sure, along with Azura's and jcm's. So thank you for putting the time and effort that you did into it.

I have a question regarding the BE. Did you weigh the overlay you removed? Would that have affected it or was the casing not factored in? I'm really new to this hobby so I'm just trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks!





Overlay is simply mycelium.  It is not the fruiting body, but BE is the fresh weight of the musrhooms harvested divided by the dry weight of the substrate times 100.  As I mentioned these had a tremendous amount of water (94.5%), and if I measured that REAL wet weight, I'd have had a BE of around 307%.  But if we are drying them and trying to compare them to cubensis, we really should assume the same dry weight to wet weight ratio of cubensis, the standard mushroom grown.  And if I do that the BE is 171% since cubensis only contains 90% water (rather than 94.5%).  Normally, though, BE is the real fresh weight, not using some wet-to-dry weight ratio that is equivalent to some other mushroom.

I know all of this might seem a bit confusing, but it's only confusing because there is no standard definition for what we REALLY want which is dry weight of the mushrooms divided by the dry weight of the substrate.  That would be much more applicable for magic mushrooms since the water doesn't do much for us (after all who cares how much water they contain if the dry stuff makes you trip?).  But since there isn't something like that and I didn't want to make it up (that might confuse people even more), I just used a cubensis standard for wet-to-dry weight ratio.


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