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Panaeolus Grow Log Report * 7
    #26836048 - 07/21/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

First I want to thank jcm4620 for his kind donation of this excellent culture of Panaeolus cyanescens (pan cyan) or Panaeolus cambodginiensis (pan combo).  We are not absolutely sure which yet but I have started an on-going investigation we started Alan Rockafeller concerning this matter.  From here out I'll say "pan cambos" since they look more like them and their potency is about what I'd expect from them.  Whatever the species, it is a very strong growing strain that is easier to grow than pan cyans I think but harder than cubensis still.

This grow is actually a mix of a culture of his and a multispore inoculation from one of his excellent prints.  Agar was used to make sure it was clean but I did not experience significant contamination in jcm4620's print.  Still, unless you are getting a print from a vendor, you must use agar at first rather than introduce spores direct to LC as you would with a vendor print.  The trays were originally split up half each (one isolated culture and one multi-spore culture), but after awhile it became obvious that neither the culture nor the multispore was a clear winner.  The culture did seem to go a tiny bit faster, but in the end, they yielded about the same.

I have posted many grow logs on Shroomery over the years, so why yet another log?  Two reasons: (a) people tend to like new logs even while the old ones were just fine for some reason (I guess it just confirms the techniques outlined work); and (b) this strain is the highest-producing one I have encountered in my life for any type of mushroom.  So let's get started!

I am not going to cover how I make liquid cultures (LCs) or substrate bags.  If you are still messing around with agar plates and sectoring and all that nonsense, I hope you will consider moving to LCs.  I did almost 20 years ago and never looked back, and I'm still waiting for someone to prove to me some clone (which is agar's supposed claim to fame), produces better than a multispore (no one has taken me up on that challenge either.  Instead they just keep sending me pretty pictures of symmetric agar projections or canopy flushes almost anyone can grow for some odd reason).  And I hope people will refer to my previous grow logs concerning this very powerful way of growing tons of mushrooms that does not require a flow hood or SAB or any of that.  I will just rehash the formula I use for the substrate in the bags, although this has been widely posted on before:

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  • Manure 44 oz
  • WBS 10 oz
  • Water     100 oz
  • Vermiculte 1.5 liter
measured moisture 65% +/- 0/.5%
Prep: I spread into two large spawn bags and cook for 4 to 5 hours
Produces: ~10.1 pounds total 



The grow starts with the LC inoculation of the bag.  Here we see the bags on day 6 after inoculation and, as you can see, they are very nearly completely colonized already:



On day 7 after inoculation, I opened the bags and laid the trays (in retrospect this was a bit too early I think).  Below are the trays laid as well as showing the saran wrap I applied (with toothpick holes)



Any time after laying the trays but before applying the casing I call reconsolidation time.  If it's done--and with some species/strains of pan cyans, it is not necessary--typically reconsolidation lasts between 2 to 5 days.  During this time, trays are covered and should be kept around fruiting temperatures (RH really doesn't matter much since the trays are covered).   I let these trays consolidate for 48 hours (although I now think it should have been longer, but more on that later).  Below were what the trays looked like afterreconsolidation and after casing them on the day reconsolidation finished:



From this point forward, all references to "days" are after the casing of the tray.  This convention is simply because the casing is so critical.  Here we see day 1:



Below is day 3.  Notice how we are starting to see a significant overlay of the casing.  This is bad, but it does not always mean a horrible run.  If it gets too much, it can destroy yields since pins do not like to form on the overlay.  The overlay can be lessened and sometimes prevented by mixing the bags around 50% (I didn't do this but wish I had), making sure to not open the bags the day after they are done (let them keep going for a few days after they are done), and using longer reconsolidation times (I used 2 days but think 5 or 6 would have probably been a bit better):



On day 4 the overlay was so horrible that jcm4620 suggested I might remove it.  That sounding pretty extreme to me, but given how overlay can ruin a pin set, I went ahead and did it.  Below is the collection of overlay mycelium that was removed with tweezers:



On day 5, I started to see pins (mostly between the overlay but some poking through it).  Below is a picture of that day:



Day 7 the pins started to develop into fruiting bodies:



Day 8:



Day 9 post-casing was the first harvest of about 5 of the 8 trays.  Fruit observations are as follows:
  • Fruits were very stalky with meaty caps and fairly thick yellow stems while remaining in good proportion.   This robust appearance strongly suggested cambos to me as it did to Alan.
  • There were no aborts; that is, every single pin that started finished a fruiting body.
  • Fruits were very tightly packed, particularly the smaller second flush ones
  • The second flush yield was nearly half as much as the first which is better than usual 
  • The mycelium really compressed the blocks. There was significant contraction of the substrate.
  • Even with the overlay playing a role in probably reducing the first flush yield a little, the yield was the highest I have ever recorded from ANY species mushroom.

Here are the day 9 (first flush start of harvest) pictures:



By day 12 the first flush wrapped up, and in many trays the second flush was well underway and partially picked.  On this day I applied about a cup of water per tray using a large 140ml syringe to keep the soil between the pins wet as it had dried somewhat to encourage maximal growth.  By day 13 the remaining trays of the second flush were near completion:



By day 14 the entire second flush was done except for the bottom right tray in the picture:



On day 15 I picked the last laggard tray.  I stopped all trays on the second flush because of green mold on a couple of trays.  I figure if it is on one, it's coming for them all.  The green mold was probably due to the extra water I applied to the casing after the first flush, but it really doesn't mean I "failed".  It just means it is time to pull the trays out because once it forms, the trays are toast.  Looking back on the second flush density and the super high water content of these, I think the water was necessary.  The fruits were packed together much tighter in the second flush versus the first, and they were so numerous that they were stunted even with the extra water.  It just seemed like no amount of water was enough for these, but the extra water did help out.

Biological efficiency (BE):
So the from the bag inoculation to finishing the second flush was about 3 weeks or shorter than the length of time it often takes for cubes to form the first flush.  This grow has been amazing in general, but one thing stood out far above the others, BE, and that's where these really got interesting.  First, let's just talk dry weight.  Now keep in mind that I hard dry meaning it's a two-stage process: the first is force airflow through the pile in an open room until they feel cracker dry.  The second stage is a closed space with a very low humidity environment maintained by DampRid desiccant also using a forced airflow through the pile for at least a day.  So when I say "cracker dry" I mean as dry as they can be without using a vacuum chamber, not just normal "cracker dry":

First flush: 199g dried
Second flush: 94g dried
Total: 293g dried

I measured the wet-to-dry weight ratio with these.  They contain far more water than either cubes or pan cyans.  Water-to-dry ratio is not 1:10 like cubes but around 1:18 (about 94.5% water).  For this reason, I will not be using the actual fresh weight here for biological efficiency.  Doing so is meaningless because a given wet weight of these will give you only a little over half the dry weight compared to cubensis.  Instead, I'll pretend they are only 90% (rather than 94.5%) water so we get a number that makes sense compared to cubensis rather than an inflated, meaningless one.  Let's compute the cubensis-equivalent wet weight then (I always do this because different mushrooms have different amounts of water):

Cubensis-equivalent Wet of both flushes: 293g * 10 = 2930g

And the dry weight of the substrate:
Manure + WBS + Vermiculite: 44oz + 10oz + 6.6oz = 60.6oz * 28.3g/oz = ~1717g  

Now the best pan cyan grows I've done got around 70% BE off FOUR flushes, but what did these do, with overlay no less, in only two flushes?  Let's compute the BE :

BE = wet weight fresh (using cubensis equivalent) / dry weight substrate * 100 = 2930/1717 * 100 = ~171% BE

This BE and overall dry yield are astonishing, and I've never seen anything like it in my life.  They out produced even cubensis!  That's why I wanted to post this grow log.  The BE is off the charts!

Potency:
So, I tried 0.8g of the floured first flush which is my usual test dose for pan cyans (happens to be about what you can fit in an 000-sized capsule too).  They were in line with cambos.  That means about 2X the potency of cubensis (or half the potency of pan cyans).  Now these were grown on a traditional manure-based substrate, but unlike pan cyans, jcm4620 has pointed out these can grow very well on a grain-based substrate (I am trying that too).  The growth medium of any mushroom can make a potency difference, so they might be stronger if grown on a grain-heavy mix (but with a lower BE according to jcm4620's grows).  If I find that a grain-heavy substrate produces more potent specimens, I'll update this grow log to reflect that as well as the associated BE.  Regardless of what substrate they are grown on, if you want to know the real potency of your grow you need to try them using a well-known test dose (none of this eyeballing stuff) of fully floured (or homogenized at least) material.  Just going by what the last grow was like is really kind of sketchy unless you are using a known culture because genetics plays some role here too.

Closing remarks:
Well at 171% BE with 2X the potency of cubensis there isn't much to not like here. Sorry but I don't do these "trip quality" things because except for potency, all magic mushroom trips are mostly the same to me, but it does help if you don't have to gag down a fist full of them or take 4 to 6 000-sized capsules as you do with dried cubes (of course you can make tea but even the tea tastes bad if you have to use a lot of dried material).  I'd suggest if you are shooting for mostly potency as measured by strength per gram and don't care so much about BE, you grow Pan Cyans which are about twice as potent.  Still, considering how super easy these are to grow and how much they produce, who cares about the potency?  Just take more because you're going to grow more than you could ever use!


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #26836098 - 07/21/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Those are awesome. You got some monster caps.

The pic in my signature is from these prints too. They came in super thick clusters for me also. These are the only pans I’ve eaten so far but I thought they were 3-4x cubes so if cyans are twice these I can’t wait.

Idk how much difference sub makes but mine was wbs spawned to steer manure compost and verm.

Is there a reason you don’t use a dehydrator? I also had about 95% water in mine.


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    #26836141 - 07/21/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Fuckin hell man. Beautiful trays :ohwow:


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    #26836146 - 07/21/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Guess Blues back in town!!
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    #26836150 - 07/21/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26836254 - 07/21/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Those are awesome.

The pic in my signature is from these prints too. They came in super thick clusters for me also. These are the only pans I’ve eaten so far but I thought they were 3-4x cubes so if cyans are twice these I can’t wait.

Idk how much difference sub makes but mine was wbs spawned to steer manure compost and verm.

Is there a reason you don’t use a dehydrator?





I do use a dehydrator.  I just don't use HEAT and the crappy tiny dehydators they sell.  There is no need to use heat, and these hauls are in the pounds of mushrooms, not little piles.  The first flush filled 3 gallons of space for example and weighed 7.8 POUNDS.

I used heat-based dehydrators for years, but they are just for tiny grows.  Today, I use a forced flow of air through the pile.  That that's the key too - forced air through the pile.  The pile dehydrates far faster with a powerful fan blowing through it than with a relatively wimpy off-the-shelf heat-based dehydrator.  To me those are more like toys.

The first stage is a 5-gallon bucket that has the bottom replaced with a screen.  They are loaded in there and air is blown through the pile from the bottom.  This stage lasts 12 to 24 hours.  When they are pretty dry, you should re-break-up the pile to make sure it's not closed off to the air flow.  Here is what it looks like:




Once that is done, most of the drying is done.  They are about as dry as most people get them at that point, and I probably could stop there.  But I really prefer mine a lot drier than what most people do, so I have a second stage.  The second stage is a much smaller container that has forced airflow via a PC fan.  The container is loaded into a Brute trashcan.  The air through the pile blows onto DampRid, and a trash bag keeps air from entering so I can drive down the RH.  This stage lasts 12 hours:



A lot of people have told me stuff like this: I tried DampRid but it didn't work at all!  And then I ask them, "So, how did you use it?".  The typical response is something like, "Well, I just put the mushrooms on a screen in a closed container with the desiccant next to it."  If that is what you are doing, DampRid won't do jack shit.  You need to (a) first dry them with a fan forcing air through the pile and then, once they are "cracker dry" load them up into a closed container with DampRid and again force air through the pile.  Just putting mushroom in a container with DampRid might work if you are pulling a few hundred pan cyan caps or something tiny like that, but this was thousands of caps, not hundreds, and weighed several POUNDS.  If you want to dry big harvests, you have to either (a) use heat with forced air or (b) use a desiccant with forced air.  I prefer a desiccant rather than using my oven with the door cracked open is all.

By the way, the first thought I had about the potency being 2X was simply that they weren't dry since jcm4620 had such a different opinion (although I still don't know what his standardized test dosage is).  Of course, they were totally dry.  I put them back into the dehydrator overnight and they didn't lose a gram of water.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26836306 - 07/21/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Those are awesome. You got some monster caps.

The pic in my signature is from these prints too. They came in super thick clusters for me also. These are the only pans I’ve eaten so far but I thought they were 3-4x cubes so if cyans are twice these I can’t wait.

Idk how much difference sub makes but mine was wbs spawned to steer manure compost and verm.

Is there a reason you don’t use a dehydrator? I also had about 95% water in mine.




A couple of other things about the potency.  First, this is close to the receipe that jcm4620 uses (I had to back calculate it since he uses volumetric measurements to mix it up):

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Grain-based Substrate Scaled to 10lbs (grain-to-manure wet volume ratio 1:2)
  • Manure 34 oz
  • WBS         25 oz
  • Vermiculite    1.5 L   
  • Water       ~100 oz
~10.1 pounds total




The only difference is that he replaces 60% of the manure with chopped straw (on a per-volume basis).  Also his grain is actually spawn, not just in a bag like that.  As you can see, that mix contains 2.5X the grain that mine does.  That's probably going to increase the potency.  How much is an open question I'm trying to figure out, but I've been having some bad luck with mold issues using such a grain-rich substrate with an LC.  I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I have a few ideas.  When you deal with grain-rich substrates, you have to be very careful injecting the LC because all it takes are two mold spores and it'll go south.  I probably need to do the injections way more carefully and might need to reduce the LC I use to something like 60ml rather than 140ml simply because when I inject that much, I think I accidentally get air from the room in.  Another way to solve it might be to inject in a SAB or make spawn like he does.  I'll figure it out.

On the downside to the grain-based substrate, though, is that it produces less yield (about a third less) and the specimens grow more slowly.  This also suggests they might be stronger since in my experience lower yields that grow more slowly do tend to be more potent specimens.

If it's 4X cubensis, though, seems to me to be unlikely.  I'm not sure how he does the testing, but I'm pretty careful about how I do it.  I'd have to try his specimens to really know for sure.  Or maybe I can grow them myself using his substrate once I get the LC kinks worked out for the heavy grain load.


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix]
    #26836308 - 07/21/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Is there a reason why you dont use a dehydrator thru the whole drying? Why the multi stage process?

Sorta explained but I still dont get it:lol:


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Blue Helix] * 1
    #26836310 - 07/21/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Man, great write up, BH. I know we talked about this a bunch, but there were a
lot of details I missed until I read this.

I'm starting 2 bags tonight and I will definitely break them up half way though.

But I wanted to clarify something. Once the bag has fully colonized, you let
it consolidate for an additional 2 days?

Oh, and with this method of drying do they still shrink up horribly lol?


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] * 2
    #26836323 - 07/21/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

first off i just wanna take a second to say thank you  to blue helix for taking the time and putting in all the effort that he did throughout this entire process. we were in constant contact through the entire grow. it was a great experience that i had basicly growing side by side with him and getting to compare and share our methods,ideas,pictures,data and overall thought process that we had from the start of my culture slant to his LC and my print to his agar and then another LC all the way through to this grow log/report. this really was a great learning experience for me and i learned a lot about cultivating the panaeolus species. hell i mean it was blue,asura and jakes write ups and information that got me interested in pans to begin with. so having the chance to do this with him was just absolutely awsum and im that much more exited and inspired to keep on going and hopefully getting to do this again with another culture. so with all of that said. blue i thank u👍😃😃 

now im not gnna get into my grow too much just cuz for one this isnt my grow log. and 2 i pretty much have already done that since i have grown this actual culture several times. mostly all of that information has been logged in my journal already which can be found by clicking the link in my signature. i will however most likely update it a lil with the information from the grow that i did/am still doing side by side blues. i just thought maybe id share a few pictures from the grow in here also and even tho a lot of you have seen my pics already id just like to document that they were a part of this interactive grow i guess you could call it.

but before i do that the only thing that i want to touch on was the issue of potency. now as its noted above we are not 100% certain on the ID of these. they may be cyans but the signs also can point to cambos as i have fruits that look exactly like both everytime i grow them and honestly they are basicly identical and can only seenthe difference on a macroscopic level or so ive read.  jake also has already done the pcr on them and is just waiting for alan to give him the results. but that said i have grown absolutely known cyans and absolutely known cambos and even bisporus and to be totally 100% honest i could not tell the difference between any of them. be it from these jams or any of the other grows i just simply can not tell them apart. to me they are all 3 potent as shit. but i know different circumstances and even the ppl taking them can cuse a different experience of potency so wel just leave that up for you all to decide. so i guess you will just have to grow these yourself to find out.

but thats an easy thing to do right now since as it just so happens i am doing a double prin giveaway. i printed 120 fruits all together from one of my first flush trays. so 100 prints will be givin away but in sets of 2. so that means i am giving out 50 foils that have 2 different fruits printed on them. now i have already posted about the giveaway in the pan thread and now in here. and il also atate here im not posting it in the marketplace where really it should go. but am doing it here and there cuz i want the ppl who actually want to grow them to be the ones who get them and not just someone who only wants a free print.

to get a print i ask that you pm me with a subject of "jam print"  and leave a name and address either in the pm or thru privnote. please do not ask for prints on this thread as with the pan thread i dont want to flood it with print request so i ask if there is any questions regarding prints they be directed to my write up in my journal. all you have to do to get there is click the link in my signature. oh and U.S. only please cuz it just seems everytime i send international they get taken in customs and never arrive at the destination. 

well now for the porn😃😃😃 

           

please note that the last few pics are from a previous grow but i just included them as a good example to show how consistantly good they are for me🤩🤩

so again blue thank you for doing this and iinviting me to be a part of this entire process its been a wonderful experience in so many ways. and also thanks to the entire community here especially asura and jake and  all my other fellow pan heads. you all are great and and give me motivation to do my best i deeply thank you all😃😃

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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: jcm4620]
    #26836400 - 07/21/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I never thought about spawn ratio affecting potency I just figured it would produce more overall but that could be a part of it.

I think there’s definitely something with individual brain chemistry and pans too. I know a guy who won’t take more than 2g of cubes but can take a gram of these jams and says they don’t affect him that much.


Anyway these jams and the grows in here are bad ass. I’m kinda surprised how similar the ms and the clone were.


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    #26836412 - 07/21/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

oh heres some shitty 2nd flush pics😂😂😂😂😂 on the one tray the casing was completely destroyed cuz they came in so thick i had to patch the hell out of it and its funny how u can tell cuz they didnt grow there lol. now my 3rd flush will grow better there than where they are at now. but the one tray is just starting to pin again





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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #26836425 - 07/21/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Is there a reason why you dont use a dehydrator thru the whole drying? Why the multi stage process?

Sorta explained but I still dont get it:lol:




A "dehydrator" is a device that dehydrates something, and what I show in the all pictures do that.  I don't use the minature toy ones you buy at Walmart or whatever because I had a pile of musrhooms two feet high and weighing 8 pounds.  Try to picture that for a minute: 2 feet high and 8 pounds.  You aren't going to dry that in a cute little dehydrator you buy online.  The first dehydrator gets most of the water out (as much as most people bother getting out).  The second dehydrator with the Damprid gets them super dry.  I create a flour, so they need to be DRIER than a cracker, not just "cracker dry".  For most people, the cute little dehydrators you can buy for way too much money are fine.  Mine cost me half that and dry about 10X what they do.


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    #26836434 - 07/21/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

We use children's toys got it.
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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: A.k.a] * 1
    #26836439 - 07/21/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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I never thought about spawn ratio affecting potency I just figured it would produce more overall but that could be a part of it.

I think there’s definitely something with individual brain chemistry and pans too. I know a guy who won’t take more than 2g of cubes but can take a gram of these jams and says they don’t affect him that much.


Anyway these jams and the grows in here are bad ass. I’m kinda surprised how similar the ms and the clone were.




More spawn does not produce more mushrooms with a dung-loving mushroom; it produces considerably less.  These mushrooms evolved as secondary decomposers, not primary decomposers.  If you want to maximize yield, you should use LESS spawn not more, and my grow demonstrates that well.  If you are shooting for potency rather then yield, you probably should use more spawn because grains have more tryptophan in them, the precursor to psilocybin.


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    #26836483 - 07/21/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Gorgeous Panaeolus grow


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    #26836495 - 07/21/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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first off i just wanna take a second to say thank you  to blue helix for taking the time and putting in all the effort that he did throughout this entire process. we were in constant contact through the entire grow. it was a great experience that i had basicly growing side by side with him and getting to compare and share our methods,ideas,pictures,data and overall thought process that we had from the start of my culture slant to his LC and my print to his agar and then another LC all the way through to this grow log/report. this really was a great learning experience for me and i learned a lot about cultivating the panaeolus species. hell i mean it was blue,asura and jakes write ups and information that got me interested in pans to begin with. so having the chance to do this with him was just absolutely awsum and im that much more exited and inspired to keep on going and hopefully getting to do this again with another culture. so with all of that said. blue i thank u👍😃😃 

now im not gnna get into my grow too much just cuz for one this isnt my grow log. and 2 i pretty much have already done that since i have grown this actual culture several times. mostly all of that information has been logged in my journal already which can be found by clicking the link in my signature. i will however most likely update it a lil with the information from the grow that i did/am still doing side by side blues. i just thought maybe id share a few pictures from the grow in here also and even tho a lot of you have seen my pics already id just like to document that they were a part of this interactive grow i guess you could call it.

but before i do that the only thing that i want to touch on was the issue of potency. now as its noted above we are not 100% certain on the ID of these. they may be cyans but the signs also can point to cambos as i have fruits that look exactly like both everytime i grow them and honestly they are basicly identical and can only seenthe difference on a macroscopic level or so ive read.  jake also has already done the pcr on them and is just waiting for alan to give him the results. but that said i have grown absolutely known cyans and absolutely known cambos and even bisporus and to be totally 100% honest i could not tell the difference between any of them. be it from these jams or any of the other grows i just simply can not tell them apart. to me they are all 3 potent as shit. but i know different circumstances and even the ppl taking them can cuse a different experience of potency so wel just leave that up for you all to decide. so i guess you will just have to grow these yourself to find out.

but thats an easy thing to do right now since as it just so happens i am doing a double prin giveaway. i printed 120 fruits all together from one of my first flush trays. so 100 prints will be givin away but in sets of 2. so that means i am giving out 50 foils that have 2 different fruits printed on them. now i have already posted about the giveaway in the pan thread and now in here. and il also atate here im not posting it in the marketplace where really it should go. but am doing it here and there cuz i want the ppl who actually want to grow them to be the ones who get them and not just someone who only wants a free print.

to get a print i ask that you pm me with a subject of "jam print"  and leave a name and address either in the pm or thru privnote. please do not ask for prints on this thread as with the pan thread i dont want to flood it with print request so i ask if there is any questions regarding prints they be directed to my write up in my journal. all you have to do to get there is click the link in my signature. oh and U.S. only please cuz it just seems everytime i send international they get taken in customs and never arrive at the destination. 

so again blue thank you for doing this and iinviting me to be a part of this entire process its been a wonderful experience in so many ways. and also thanks to the entire community here especially asura and jake and  all my other fellow pan heads. you all are great and and give me motivation to do my best i deeply thank you all😃😃

sincerely JCM🤘





jcm4620 this was the most exciting and fun grow I've done in many years.  The last real grow I'd done was in 2018 in contact with Asura with my attempt to conquer overlay, but this grow was way more exciting to me.  What's amazing about these to me is the simple easy of growth and the ungodly YIELD.  When you contacted me and told me you weren't having any trouble with 100% BE, I thought you must have been mistaken.  These tiny mushrooms, no matter if they are pan cyan or pan cambos, just don't produce that kind of yield I thought.  Wow, was I ever wrong. These did deliver!  Remember that 171% BE was assuming that the fruits were 90% water not the true 94.5% water they are.  So if you do the REAL BE given their real wet weight you get 307% BE!  I'll give anyone out there that can prove to me a grow over 300% BE a $100 right now.  Don't worry, though; I'm not going to be parting with $100 anytime soon on that bet because THEY DO NOT EXIST!  This isn't just a high-yield mushroom, this is the KING OF YIELDS mushroom!  Nothing I know compares!

I suggest anyone even mildly interested give these a whirl.  They really are something.  There were just so many mushrooms that I started to wonder if I was dreaming or something!  It was crazy!  It's the kind of thing people who grow these mushrooms dream about I guess!


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Re: Panaeolus Grow Log Report [Re: Asura] * 1
    #26836507 - 07/21/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Man, great write up, BH. I know we talked about this a bunch, but there were a
lot of details I missed until I read this.

I'm starting 2 bags tonight and I will definitely break them up half way though.

But I wanted to clarify something. Once the bag has fully colonized, you let
it consolidate for an additional 2 days?

Oh, and with this method of drying do they still shrink up horribly lol?





I did NOT break my bags up, but as you saw, I suffered some major overlay issues.  The suggestion to try to break them up is from jcm4620.  I don't usually do it nor do I usually recommend it, but it might be worth a try because jcm4620 does it and did not have overlay at all.

The extra days of consolidation I also did not do.  Again, this is a suggestion to help stop overlay.  It might work or not...

I know the grow looks amazing, but had I not removed the initial overlay, this grow would have been toast.  The overlay would have been an inch high I'm sure if I didn't.  I'm just making suggestions to try to avoid the overlay I had with them.


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    #26836524 - 07/21/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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We use children's toys got it.
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No they are big boy toys (which isn't a bad thing), but they weren't designed to handle a pile of mushrooms two feet high.  That's all.  :laugh:


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    #26836531 - 07/21/20 04:36 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Sure they are. I'll try to find a pic.

Just take a cardboard box and make a 'housing' that sits ontop of the trayless dehydrator.


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