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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 2
#26896809 - 08/24/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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A full 1/3 of the bill of rights exists to protect the rights of criminals.
It’s been obvious for year to me that conservatives do not understand the constitution nor do they really think anyone but themselves and people like them are protected by it
Try arguing with a conservative that illegal aliens have constitutional rights
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26896815 - 08/24/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Whats your point?
Criminals have a right to a trial in this country. Are you somehow implying police should be allowed to extra judicially kill anybody with a criminal record?
Can you read? I'm not implying anything. Look at what I said. The cops have a reason to arrest him. If he's innocent he has a reason to comply and sort out the warrant.
They shot him seven times
Tyranny: cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26896821 - 08/24/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your response has nothing to do with my post.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray] 2
#26896825 - 08/24/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You post has nothing to do with him being shot
Your making up excuses after the fact to justify attempted murder
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods] 1
#26896837 - 08/24/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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My post has nothing to do with him being shot, but I'm justifying his murder which was from being shot? Try to make sense next time.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26896840 - 08/24/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: Your response has nothing to do with my post.
Of course it does. The cop shot a man 7 times for trying to leave the scene. That is a cruel and unreasonable use of power.
They could have very well let him leave and picked him up later on. As far as anybody can tell, he wasn't an active threat to anybody.
From your posted article;
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A 2015 article in the local press describes an incident in a Kenosha bar, during which an intoxicated 24-year-old man by the name Jacob Blake drew a gun during a quarrel with another patron. When police later stopped Blake's car, he resisted arrest and was injured by a police dog.
Neither piece of information justifies the shooting, contrary to what some commenters on Twitter have proclaimed. But those facts may be relevant in explaining what happened with Blake on Sunday night. Mainstream media articles have largely avoided mentioning those details, however.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26896854 - 08/24/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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hes expected to survive that's incredible
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] 1
#26896866 - 08/24/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
There's a warrant for someone with his name and age on that block for violent offenses which include rape, and you think they should let him drive off because he doesn't want to deal with cops at that moment? It doesn't work like that. The cops had a reason to arrest a person with his name and age on that block and he happened to be there.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26896877 - 08/24/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26896910 - 08/24/20 11:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
There's a warrant for someone with his name and age on that block for violent offenses which include rape, and you think they should let him drive off because he doesn't want to deal with cops at that moment? It doesn't work like that. The cops had a reason to arrest a person with his name and age on that block and he happened to be there.
Source for rape?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman] 1
#26896918 - 08/24/20 11:19 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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They mention it in one of the links Billy posted.
Having a warrant for your arrest doesn't make you a convicted criminal, and it sure as hell doesn't justify popping him in the back 7 times in front of his kids. Keep in mind, the neighbors said that Blake was trying to break up a fight between two women when the cops arrived.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: christopera] 1
#26896944 - 08/24/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
There's a warrant for someone with his name and age on that block for violent offenses which include rape, and you think they should let him drive off because he doesn't want to deal with cops at that moment? It doesn't work like that. The cops had a reason to arrest a person with his name and age on that block and he happened to be there.
Source for rape?
3rd degree sexual assault. https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details
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christopera said: They mention it in one of the links Billy posted.
Having a warrant for your arrest doesn't make you a convicted criminal, and it sure as hell doesn't justify popping him in the back 7 times in front of his kids. Keep in mind, the neighbors said that Blake was trying to break up a fight between two women when the cops arrived.
I never said he was guilty of the charges or that he deserved to be shot. Why should we keep that in mind?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26896978 - 08/24/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
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koods said: So what?
'So what' that he attempted to address qman's point? I think responses are good for discussion.
Like when I asked you "Care to discuss any of the points in my post, or do you realize you've been duped AGAIN" (regarding Russian collusion)?
Your non-response made it pretty clear you've been duped again.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26896995 - 08/24/20 11:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Billy Ray said: I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
There's a warrant for someone with his name and age on that block for violent offenses which include rape, and you think they should let him drive off because he doesn't want to deal with cops at that moment? It doesn't work like that. The cops had a reason to arrest a person with his name and age on that block and he happened to be there.
Source for rape?
3rd degree sexual assault. https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details
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christopera said: They mention it in one of the links Billy posted.
Having a warrant for your arrest doesn't make you a convicted criminal, and it sure as hell doesn't justify popping him in the back 7 times in front of his kids. Keep in mind, the neighbors said that Blake was trying to break up a fight between two women when the cops arrived.
I never said he was guilty of the charges or that he deserved to be shot. Why should we keep that in mind?
I didn't know that third degree sexual assault means rape.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26897017 - 08/24/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
There's a warrant for someone with his name and age on that block for violent offenses which include rape, and you think they should let him drive off because he doesn't want to deal with cops at that moment? It doesn't work like that. The cops had a reason to arrest a person with his name and age on that block and he happened to be there.
Source for rape?
3rd degree sexual assault. https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CF000736&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details
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christopera said: They mention it in one of the links Billy posted.
Having a warrant for your arrest doesn't make you a convicted criminal, and it sure as hell doesn't justify popping him in the back 7 times in front of his kids. Keep in mind, the neighbors said that Blake was trying to break up a fight between two women when the cops arrived.
I never said he was guilty of the charges or that he deserved to be shot. Why should we keep that in mind?
I never said to keep that in mind.
I said to keep in mind the fact the neighbors said Blake was on the scene of the domestic dispute because he was trying to break it up. Meaning, the cops shot the guy who was trying to help.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26897043 - 08/24/20 12:19 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: There are enough advocates around here for those that are critical of what the cop did. I haven't disagreed with the criticism. I have, however, added my own without taking away what others have said. Both criticisms can be simultaneously true.
Do we know if 'compliance' would have prevented this person from being shot? No! If 'noncompliance' was the reason for the shooting, would it be justified? No!
Your criticism isn't true - the idea that if you comply with police, you will not be harmed is completely false. I already gave two examples clearly demonstrating this.
You aren't giving this forum an important lesson by saying 'always comply with police orders', and you're not advocating for some unfortunate underdog - there's certainly no shortage of police advocates in this world. Your comments here are as misplaced as someone questioning whether a sexual assault victim should have been less of a tease beforehand.
If you’re gonna defend police violence, you're gonna have to do better than 'just follow orders'.
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Vahn421 said: EDIT: I've seen both other cases you're referring to and those two were attempting to act as compliant as possible and those cops really majorly fucked up and need to be charged, unlike this video above where the guy really must have a few screws in his head loose. Cop still fucked up, but I'm not *as* pissed about it as the other two.
That's because, in your head, noncompliance justifies police violence. You should also know that both of the cops in the examples I gave claimed noncompliance as part of their defence.
Your argument about compliance doesn't make people safer from police violence - it preps the public to accept the statements of cops like the ones who murdered Philando Castile (acquitted) and Daniel Shaver (acquitted). That's what I mean when I say your argument justifies police violence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26897062 - 08/24/20 12:30 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Billy Ray said: I'm not justifying the shooting. I responded to qman's post where he said something like, "why do people need to comply with police?" When there's a warrant out for someone's arrest, the police's job is to find and arrest them.
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koods said: So what?
'So what' that he attempted to address qman's point? I think responses are good for discussion.
Like when I asked you "Care to discuss any of the points in my post, or do you realize you've been duped AGAIN" (regarding Russian collusion)?
Your non-response made it pretty clear you've been duped again.
You stopped deserving responses a long time ago.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26897072 - 08/24/20 12:37 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
He wasn't detained. Cops can't stop someone going to their car bro.
This is about 30m from my place. And 10m from my mom's home. Hopefully they burn the Kenosha PD down. All those cops are true scum. Always have been
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26897081 - 08/24/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: They won’t if you’re the right.
If the left arms themselves Ronald Fucking Reagan and the NRA will support cracking down on your 2nd amendment rights.
That's probably because someone always gets shot when the left arms themselves. Most fun homicides happen in Democrat ran cities afterall.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Eminence]
#26897089 - 08/24/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol you think the Democrats are the left that’s adorable.
And I’m talking about the Black Panthers bringing rifles to courthouses in California, prompting then governor Ronald Reagan to impose firearm restrictions, backed by the NRA. I’m not talking about gang violence.
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