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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26895795 - 08/23/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: They won’t if you’re the right.
If the left arms themselves Ronald Fucking Reagan and the NRA will support cracking down on your 2nd amendment rights.
Shouldn't they put it up to the test? I don't see them doing it. In fact, when a few armed people showed up to a protest (in support of the protesters), the protesters asked them to leave and then told the police to remove them, which they did illegally.
What test? It’s already happened countless times.
OK, and the results are what in your opinion? And what would you change if anything?
The result is hypocritical legislative retribution taken against the left. Shit, you can see dozens of these videos that the fascists are helping the police of vice versa. The cops don’t give a shit about the 3 percenters or any of the right wing libertarian types because it’s always been a charade. If the Trump presidency has taught us anything, it’s that the “don’t tread on me” libertarian folks will literally cheer on police brutality before they side with block people.
What it boils down to is this: the right has guns to protect whites and their status in this country. The left has guns for reasons much more hostile to the status quo. Is it any shock to anyone that the former is treated with kid gloves and the latter is designated as terrorists?
Pay attention lmao it’s so obvious.
Yes, I agree with what you're stating, my question remains-should the protesters give up on coming armed or not in your opinion? I think they shouldn't give up regardless of the reactions. I'm not saying having everyone doing all of the time, but at least mix it up and keep them on their toes. It's the only way to point out the hypocrisy.
Also, many second amendment advocates also feel that they're not backed up by pro-gun organizations when it really boils down to it. They want you to buy guns and keep it at home, public display of firearms still doesn't get much support from the NRA's of the world.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26895796 - 08/23/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What it boils down to is this: the right has guns to protect whites and their status in this country. The left has guns for reasons much more hostile to the status quo. Is it any shock to anyone that the former is treated with kid gloves and the latter is designated as terrorists?
Pay attention lmao it’s so obvious.
Black conservatives would fundamentally disagree with you, and the majority of young conservatives aren't "cheering" on any sort of violence, they just see one side as an actual threat to our nation right now while the other (the old guard of conservatives) is a dying breed with absolutely no future.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26895810 - 08/23/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude you’ve been cheering on violence for weeks.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26895913 - 08/23/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Dude you’ve been cheering on violence for weeks.
HA.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26896066 - 08/23/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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live stream tonight
https://www.facebook.com/PDXIndyNews/videos/940319666450640/
i dont have fb im watching with a friend
it sounded like the cops shot somebody who wasn't armed tonight couldnt tell
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
#26896083 - 08/23/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26896116 - 08/23/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it’s time for the people to take justice into their own hands. This will never stop until cops that kill citizens pay with their own lives.
At least burn down that cops precinct station.
Where are the second ammendment freaks who keep telling us they need the guns to protect us from tyranny? How do they think tyranny manifests itself in a society? Police killing citizens without any accountability on a daily basis is fucking tyranny.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: koods]
#26896135 - 08/23/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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https://www.facebook.com/cjtv.io/videos/749713152529522/
live stream not sure where saw 56th st & Sheridan on street signs
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26896184 - 08/23/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26896191 - 08/23/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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what do you think should happen to the cop?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 2
#26896223 - 08/24/20 12:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Vahn421 said: I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
Ah, the ol' 'just follow orders' defence.
Like Philando Castile?
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The police dashcam video shows that 40 seconds elapsed between when Yanez first started talking to Castile through the car window and when Yanez began shooting at him. According to the dashcam, after Yanez asked for Castile's driver's license and proof of insurance, Castile gave him his proof of insurance card, which Yanez appeared to glance at and tuck in his outer pocket. Castile then calmly informed Yanez: "Sir, I have to tell you that I do have a firearm on me."
Before Castile completed the sentence, Yanez interrupted and calmly replied, "OK," and placed his right hand on the holster of his own holstered weapon. Yanez said, "Okay, don't reach for it, then ... don't pull it out." Castile responded, "I'm not pulling it out," and Reynolds also said, "He's not pulling it out." Yanez repeated, raising his voice, "Don't pull it out!" as he quickly pulled his own gun with his right hand and reached inside the driver's window with his left hand. Reynolds screamed, "No!" Yanez removed his left arm from the car and fired seven shots in the direction of Castile in rapid succession. Reynolds yelled, "You just killed my boyfriend!" Castile moaned and said, "I wasn't reaching for it." Reynolds loudly said, "He wasn't reaching for it." Before she completed her sentence, Yanez again screamed, "Don't pull it out!" Reynolds responded, "He wasn't." Yanez yelled, "Don't move! Fuck!"
Or Daniel Shaver?
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Police Sergeant Charles Langley then ordered Shaver, who was lying prone, to cross his legs. Moments later, he ordered Shaver to push himself "up to a kneeling position". While complying with the order to kneel, Shaver uncrossed his legs and Langley shouted that Shaver needed to keep his legs crossed. Startled, Shaver then put his hands behind his back and was again warned by Langley to keep his hands in the air. Langley yelled at Shaver that if he deviated from police instructions again, they would shoot him. Sergeant Langley told Shaver not to put his hands down for any reason. Shaver said, "Please don't shoot me". Upon being instructed to crawl, Shaver put his hands down and crawled on all fours. While crawling towards the officers, Shaver paused and moved his right hand towards his waistband. Officer Philip Brailsford, who later testified he believed that Shaver was reaching for a weapon, then opened fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver five times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed, and may have been attempting to prevent his shorts from slipping down.
Noncompliance shouldn't carry the threat of extrajudicial execution. Criticizing people shot by police for noncompliance, rather than criticizing the pigs that did the shooting, is an attempt to justify what the pigs did - it doesn't matter that you start the paragraph by saying "I'm not justifying what the cop did". Stop defending police violence.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: shivas.wisdom] 1
#26896246 - 08/24/20 01:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are enough advocates around here for those that are critical of what the cop did. I haven't disagreed with the criticism. I have, however, added my own without taking away what others have said. Both criticisms can be simultaneously true.
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Noncompliance shouldn't carry the threat of extrajudicial execution
Agree, but until we live in a perfect world where rule/law enforcement also doesn't carry the threat of being killed, I doubt we're going to stop seeing mistakes.
EDIT: I've seen both other cases you're referring to and those two were attempting to act as compliant as possible and those cops really majorly fucked up and need to be charged, unlike this video above where the guy really must have a few screws in his head loose. Cop still fucked up, but I'm not *as* pissed about it as the other two.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26896251 - 08/24/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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you shifted the blame to the victim. i can't see many circumstances where shooting someone in the back is justified. especially after seeing this earlier come on
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
#26896637 - 08/24/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
I think it's hilarious when conservatives try to draw comparisons between government figures and parenting. How unaware can you be?
Vahn, these people work for us, they are not by any means comparable to parental figures
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] 1
#26896655 - 08/24/20 09:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
If I haven't broken any laws or been charged with arrest, what do I have to comply with legally? Or let me guess, you want me to forget about the law and just let cops violate my rights so it makes their job easier.
You have to remember, most people comply with cops out of fear, not because the cops have the legal authority to do so. When people challenge the legal authority of those cops, most of them don't know how to react. The vast majority of the police do NOT know the laws, the rights of the citizens and how to police without violating the law.
So instead of shifting the burden on the citizens, why don't you examine the tactics of the police?
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: qman]
#26896677 - 08/24/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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MadMuncher said: this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
If I haven't broken any laws or been charged with arrest, what do I have to comply with legally?
Someone who has his name and age that lives on the block where the shooting happened has an open warrant for multiple domestic charges, one being rape. https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/ https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/jacob-blake/
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
#26896686 - 08/24/20 09:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Whats your point?
Criminals have a right to a trial in this country. Are you somehow implying police should be allowed to extra judicially kill anybody with a criminal record?
These people try to label themselves patriots but they have no sense of what constitutes a violation of rights.
Mass shooters arent even shot on sight and they just killed a handful of people. Parkland shooter, aurora shooter, etc.
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#26896702 - 08/24/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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natedawgnow said: Whats your point?
Criminals have a right to a trial in this country. Are you somehow implying police should be allowed to extra judicially kill anybody with a criminal record?
Can you read? I'm not implying anything. Look at what I said. The cops have a reason to arrest him. If he's innocent he has a reason to comply and sort out the warrant.
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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Billy Ray]
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MadMuncher said: this happened today https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/23/kenosha-police-shooting-video-wisconsin/
whos the real terrorists
murdered a man in front of his kids for arguing with his wife?
I'm not justifying what the cop did because I think he overstepped here, but I gotta ask, why are these people so fucking stupid? Why don't they just follow basic orders for a few minutes and then they won't die? Both this guy and George Floyd would be alive if they just complied. If you're not listening, you're BOUND to get tazed (which is what should have happened) or worse.
Compliance is not hard. A 5 year old does it when he knows he might get spanked and his dad is eyeballing him down. These people have much worse about to happen to them and they act like fucking fools, and now they are dead.
If I haven't broken any laws or been charged with arrest, what do I have to comply with legally?
Someone who has his name and age that lives on the block where the shooting happened has an open warrant for multiple domestic charges, one being rape. https://www.rt.com/usa/498867-kenosha-shooting-criminal-record/ https://heavy.com/news/2020/08/jacob-blake/
Ok, so at worse he was resisting arrest by not stopping and wanted to drive away. This is domestic disputes that involves the criminal justice system and it's not a good combination.
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