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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26866924 - 08/06/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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ye fuck that dude that wasnt even downtown. he had a million ways to go around that was in gateway area he wouldve been able to see them from a mile up the road. long straight 5 lane road. he wanted to start shit, or he was high or dumb




Maybe he was spacing out and taking his usual route home when he realized there were people in the road. Maybe he thought if he approached slowly they'd get out of the way for him becaue he was local traffic.

This car was not aggressive at all.



He was driving a truck without any cargo in the back. That makes him a piece of shit for contributing needlessly to global warming.

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26866978 - 08/06/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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None of this happens in a vacuum.
An active duty member of the armed forces tweeted about killing protesters to trumpy.  The other day in Austin that same person drove into a crowd of protesters and shot one of them to death, exactly as he said he would.  Given that context, I would be very wary of any vehicle approaching a protest march.




Then get out of the fucking road. :lol:


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26867003 - 08/06/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

he plowed through a chain link fence and roadsigns


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421] * 1
    #26867059 - 08/06/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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None of this happens in a vacuum.
An active duty member of the armed forces tweeted about killing protesters to trumpy.  The other day in Austin that same person drove into a crowd of protesters and shot one of them to death, exactly as he said he would.  Given that context, I would be very wary of any vehicle approaching a protest march.




Then get out of the fucking road. :lol:




I see.  So you are abandoning your position regarding the person in question simply making a wrong turn and being attacked for this innocent mistake and staking out a new position wherein he was justified in driving through a protest because they were in the road?  That's the hill you choose to die on?

It sure makes it seem like you weren't debating in good faith from the beginning.  Seems like maybe you're just in this to troll or to amplify fascist rhetoric.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26867272 - 08/06/20 08:29 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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“Police said the driver spoke to officers and cooperated and was released without charges. The incident is under investigation,” local station KATU reported.

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Maybe.  But that wouldn't fit the story they want to tell.  :shrug:




ha what story? vahn is the only one trying to push a story. his source was probably something like this:

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Far-left extremist rioters in Portland, Oregon, got a taste of their own personal property destruction medicine late Tuesday evening when a fed-up truck driver rammed into their motorcycle and took it on a fun ride 




https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/06/portland-rioters-attempt-to-block-pickup-with-a-motorcycle-fed-up-driver-takes-it-for-a-spin-under-his-truck-956341


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher] * 1
    #26867282 - 08/06/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

east precinct protests been going on for a minute might go down there tonight


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher] * 1
    #26867289 - 08/06/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Is that a real minute? Or a millennial minute?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26867303 - 08/06/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

i really dont know let me get down there one sec


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26867435 - 08/06/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

everybody is just now showing up.

also this: https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/oregon-state-police-take-over-portland-protest-duty-we-are-hoping-for-the-best-but-planning-for-the-worst.html


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By Noelle Crombie | The Oregonian/OregonLive
Starting Thursday afternoon, state troopers will be stationed outside the federal courthouse in downtown Portland wearing their standard police uniforms and iconic campaign-style hats -- not riot or tactical gear.

Oregon State Police Superintendent Travis Hampton said he wants his troopers to present an “Officer Friendly look around the courthouse,” which he hopes will set a new tone for the night ahead as Portland’s demonstrations against police brutality enter their 64th straight night.

“You will find these Oregon State Police troopers are not easily provoked,” he said. “They will have a very measured and proportional response.”

At the same time, he said, “If it devolves into dangerous situations where officers are seeing projectiles thrown at them and, of course, the ever-present green lasers in the eyes, then I am not going to be able to station those troopers outside in that manner,” he said, referring to lights frequently used by some demonstrators.

“So we are hoping for the best but planning for the worst,” Hampton told The Oregonian/OregonLive.

He spoke as the state police assume a high-profile role in nightly protests that have been punctuated by violence, property destruction and a controversial and forceful police response. Troopers are taking charge of security for the Mark O. Hatfield United States Courthouse.

The troopers’ appearance will stand in sharp contrast to federal tactical officers, many of whom responded to the protests dressed in camouflage fatigues and tactical gear.

In an arrangement brokered between Gov. Kate Brown and the Trump administration, federal officials will start pulling out of the city and will be replaced with state police. The downtown courthouse has become a national symbol of political conflict as well as a focal point since early July for protests calling for sweeping police reform.

A spokesman for Brown said the governor has “made clear that her goal is to deescalate the nightly confrontations we have seen downtown since federal troops arrived in Portland. The peaceful protests led by Black Lives Matter activists and attended by thousands of Oregonians throughout the summer have inspired the nation. Oregon State Police will focus on protecting free speech and protecting the public as they raise their voices peacefully to call for change.”

Hampton said federal law enforcement officers brought to the city from elsewhere will leave.

Whether the presence of state troopers can effectively shift the dynamic of the protests remains an open question. Hampton acknowledged the challenge ahead for his agency.

“We have no wish to stifle a movement or free speech, just to really address the overt violence we are seeing play out in the city every day,” he said.

“It is clear we cannot police our way out of this conflict,” he said. “We are hoping that supplanting federal officers with troopers will lower the temperature a bit, especially around the federal courthouse.”

Fahiym Acuay, who goes by the name Mac Smiff, has been a steadfast presence at the demonstrations. He said so far police have overreacted to protesters’ actions.

“Taking the temperature down on their end is what they are supposed to do in the first place,” said the 39-year-old Portlander. “That’s a great gesture. Let’s just see if it really happens.”

Hampton said about 100 state police troopers and supervisors from all 36 Oregon counties will converge on the city starting Thursday. He said those responding have tactical and crowd control training. He said the protest area will also be cleaned up daily and efforts to remove graffiti will also begin.

He said the agency has committed to a minimum of two weeks on the ground in Portland. The state police force, he said, represents a “very valuable state resource” and many of those on the ground have been pulled away from police duties in rural parts of Oregon.

Their actions during the protests will be directed by state police commanders; Hampton said he will oversee the overall response from an incident command center with Portland Police Chief Chuck Lovell.

Hampton said additional state police supervisors will help monitor and direct officers from two additional command posts, in the federal courthouse and another federal building.

In an internal message Hampton sent to state police employees on Wednesday, he acknowledged the massive task ahead and the national spotlight that will be trained on the agency’s actions.

“All eyes of the nation will be on us, particularly when we supplant federal officers at the courthouse in an effort to bring down the protest temperature,” he told his employees. “It is not a stage we wished to be on, but we will do our part for Oregon. We’ll do our best.”

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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26867605 - 08/07/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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None of this happens in a vacuum.
An active duty member of the armed forces tweeted about killing protesters to trumpy.  The other day in Austin that same person drove into a crowd of protesters and shot one of them to death, exactly as he said he would.  Given that context, I would be very wary of any vehicle approaching a protest march.




Then get out of the fucking road. :lol:




That's kind of what we're saying here; not the road, the subforum.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil]
    #26867607 - 08/07/20 03:31 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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ye fuck that dude that wasnt even downtown. he had a million ways to go around that was in gateway area he wouldve been able to see them from a mile up the road. long straight 5 lane road. he wanted to start shit, or he was high or dumb




Maybe he was spacing out and taking his usual route home when he realized there were people in the road. Maybe he thought if he approached slowly they'd get out of the way for him becaue he was local traffic.

This car was not aggressive at all.



He was driving a truck without any cargo in the back. That makes him a piece of shit for contributing needlessly to global warming.

He deserves to die.




It is a strange phenomena, that men who don't need trucks decided that they have to have trucks, big trucks.

My younger brother is a union tile setter. When he works on a new building in downtown Chicago, he drives his truck there the first day of the job to bring his tools, and the last day to pick them up. He takes the train every other day. IDK, he had two years of high school, and he's probably thinking more about traffic and $30 to park than global warming, but at least he's being rational and he does need a full sized pickup.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26867751 - 08/07/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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None of this happens in a vacuum.
An active duty member of the armed forces tweeted about killing protesters to trumpy.  The other day in Austin that same person drove into a crowd of protesters and shot one of them to death, exactly as he said he would.  Given that context, I would be very wary of any vehicle approaching a protest march.




Then get out of the fucking road. :lol:




I see.  So you are abandoning your position regarding the person in question simply making a wrong turn and being attacked for this innocent mistake and staking out a new position wherein he was justified in driving through a protest because they were in the road?  That's the hill you choose to die on?

It sure makes it seem like you weren't debating in good faith from the beginning.  Seems like maybe you're just in this to troll or to amplify fascist rhetoric.




One of these days you should try to represent my actual position instead of your made-up one. Your, "victories" are against someone imaginary that doesn't exist.

"I felt he was going to hurt me so I hurt him first" is a fucking cowardly, pathetic and deplorable position to assert in a situation where no actual hostile actions are being taken. It also shows an almost pitiable lack of rational sensibilities.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26867824 - 08/07/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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"I felt he was going to hurt me so I hurt him first" is a fucking cowardly, pathetic and deplorable position to assert..."




Is that not the basis for any self-defense scenario?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26867831 - 08/07/20 08:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You conveniently left off the rest of my statement.

When your brain does that, does your conscience even talk to you?


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26867847 - 08/07/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Because the rest of it hasn't been established.  We don't have a video of what happened before that encounter, but it's pretty clear that he hit that motorcycle.  It's very clear that he dragged that motorcycle for blocks.  It's pretty clear that he drove forward through a crowd instead of backing out of the situation. 

Maybe that dude was targeted unfairly.  Maybe he wasn't.  I don't know.  I do know that his actions after he hit the bike were unreasonable and aggressive.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26867856 - 08/07/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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We don't have a video of what happened before that encounter,




What are you talking about? This is untrue. We see everything that happened. We even know what was going through most of the man's head because I posted a script of what he said when he got out of the car only a minute or so later.

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I do know that his actions after he hit the bike were unreasonable and aggressive.




Aggressive!? He wasn't the aggressor. He was fleeing for his safety. They broke his window and popped his tire.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26867859 - 08/07/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't seen video from before the encounter.

I don't know if he was the aggressor or not, but I do know that he drove into another crowd of people that had nothing to do with his windows or tires.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26867862 - 08/07/20 08:26 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

His car was already slowing down as it realized there were a group of people in front of him.

For all he knew they were only going to be there for a moment, or maybe he thought they'd do him the courtesy of moving and passing by because he was local traffic.

This man literally did nothing wrong and was assaulted by a bunch of criminals immediately.


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    #26867866 - 08/07/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

My biggest gripe with you guys is you won't even admit ambiguity with what the protesters did but insist to defend them as if they did *nothing* wrong. This is demonstrably not true.


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Re: Who are the real terrorists? Or are they ALL just terrorists? [Re: Vahn421]
    #26867867 - 08/07/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

He was slowing down.  What happened before that, though?

But he did lots wrong.  He should have backed out instead of plowing forward toward the crowd.


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